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Remember remember the Fifth of November, the gunpower, treason and plot. I see no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot...

We have to do this, now. We just have to.
Thank you, Spriggs. I really appreciate that.

I mean, tentacles and stuff are all firmly in the realm of fantasy, but that isn't, and there's a very distinct difference... Damn, I feel like I've brought down the mood of the thread considerably. Sorry, everyone.
Spriggs27 said
I'm not joking, I'm dead serious, he could try or she could.


But you know that they wouldn't, because that isn't part of either of their characters... So, there's no reason to bring it up. All it does is make light of the fact that both of those things happen all the time, and that's... Kind of despicable.

EDIT: In fact, it makes me sick to my stomach.
-sigh- That's... not something to joke about, Spriggs. It's just not.

Jivusa said
You have a point. But, Jacholaus wouldn't much pay attention to the view out from the tree. He has an even better one sitting right beside him ^^


:) Yeah, that was the implication. For an interesting young lady, I bet Jacholaus would sit in a great many places.
You never know, Jivusa. :P Stranger things have happened. What if the view from the tree was beautiful?
x.x You'd have to be so lucky, or so smart, that it's basically impossible. For one thing, they're never going to be alone, especially not if they're guarding someone or something...

Obviously, the best overall tactics for the resistance are going to involve hit-and-run attacks, the avoidance of Knights and Elite Guards altogether, lots of explosives, key assassinations, incitement of mass uprising and lots of fantabulous SCIENCE!, but we can leave those discussions to the IC.

EDIT: What we need, in all honesty, is to capture some Anti-Materiel rifles, or find some out in the Wasteland. Those are just about the only thing (apart from EMP weapons and high explosives) that would be effective against armor that powerful.
Alright, then I agree. There are points of articulation, like the armpit, that could be targeted with a knife. It wouldn't be easy, as you keep claiming, but it is indeed possible. If you stab them in the armpit, it could even make them drop their weapon... But it still wouldn't kill them outright. I mean, not unless you had a magic knife that could bend around to target the middle of a torso while stabbing up into the armpit. You'd still need to unseal and unlock the helmet, take it off, and THEN kill them before they managed to raise an alarm... Which, in 99 combat situations out of 100, means you're dead, because of a handy thing called in-suit radio.

But, anyway, with the right tactics and enough luck, sure. I'm not saying they're absolutely unbeatable... But they're pretty fucking unbeatable.

You'd need to be part of a much larger operation, with enough cannon fodder to distract the guards while you sneak up on them, and by that point, is it really worth it? Even though in a hypothetical situation a single guard in power armour could be killed by a very lucky resistance fighter with a knife, it would require the sacrifice of so many other resources that it's unwise at best and suicidal at worst. We need to be smarter than that, if were going to beat these motherfuckers.

EDIT: Basically, we shouldn't see engaging the forces of the Monarchy armed with knives as a viable long-term option.
There aren't any "openings" at all, the suit and helmet together are sealed against the outside world (which is why the armor grants a resistance to radiation). The helmet locks into the armor, and the neck is protected. In fact, this Royal armour is actually something of an odd duck compared to the major armors over in America (meaning the T51-b and Enclave Advanced armors), as those lock in so seamlessly there's nothing but an impenetrable crease. And, stabbed in the neck =/= severed jugular or instant death, especially with the protection that I've just explained.

Look, all I'm trying to say here is, if Adrian attempts to use a knife to kill a fully armored Knight, he's not going to succeed. He's going to need better tactics than that.
I promise you, Wiki, unless you've got a Protonic Axe or a Ripper or something, you aren't going to be able to slit a power armored soldier's throat. It just ain't happening (as long as they're wearing the helmet).

If an obvious target like the throat wasn't protected at least enough to repel knives, the armor wouldn't have made it past testing. In a nutshell, it's designed to protect the wearer in every possible combat situation, including close combat, meaning knives =/= instant death. Not even close. In fact, looking at the image Sep used for the Royal Knight's power armour, the shoulders and back of the armor are designed such that the only way to target the soldier's neck with a melee weapon is to come at them head-on AND at an awkward angle (i.e. you die)...

There's a reason why it's so impressive, and so feared on the battlefield, you know. The best method to kill them, in my opinion, is to trick them into removing their helmets first, as otherwise there's pretty much no hope (except maybe C4 or other very powerful explosives). Read the story of Maxson II (the second leader of the Brotherhood of Steel) for a good example.
:) Yeah, definitely, but (of course) it's taking me longer than I expected to write up my sheet. I'll PM it to you ASAP.
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