IncredibleBee

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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Because it's the crystallization of his legend as someone who used improvised weapons, and we have an A++ Noble Phantasm in canon that does something of an incredibly comparable nature.

NPs aren't just magic items, they're crystallizations of feat.

@Unoedipal

Yeah, but Musashi's is also much more situational. He can only use swords and sword-like items, like bokken and baseball bats.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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I said it would need to be an NP because it doesn't work as a Personal Skill.

That doesn't mean it's okay to have an NP all of a sudden.

@Unoedipal

Why does it not work as a personal skill? It's not like it's a legendary weapon or a blade beam.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Why does he have a Noble Phantasm when the whole point of the "shittier container" thing was "doesn't have a Noble Phantasm"?

@Unoedipal

Because you said that Personal Skill needs to be a NP.

If you'd prefer, I can swap it back to Personal Skills.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Okay edited version is a go

Name: Miyamoto Musashi

Class: Saber

Gender: Male

Appearance:

Musashi

Wears a plain, dark colored kimono.

Alignment: Neutral

Personality: A man equal parts stern and zen, Musashi's number one goal in life is the status of Japan's greatest swordsman. As he has long since achieved that goal, however, he is no longer a hotblooded young man. Cool and calculating, he has a wit sharper than his sword and is not unwilling to manipulate the enemy. In combat, he's ferocious and clever, and his swords resemble the fangs of a tiger and the claws of a dragon.
His hobbies are painting and woodworking. He has an aversion to baths.

History: Musashi was a famous ronin from 17th century Japan, notorious for being an expert duelist, winning numerous fights throughout his life through a combination of wit and skill. Most famously, he fought and killed Sasaki Kojiro when he was about twenty-nine or thirty. Besides this, Musashi was known for his skills as an artist, philosopher, and writer. He was said to have a rough appearance and mannerisms, despite his skill.
For more information, go to your local library. Or here.

Weapon: Musashi personal weapon consists of a daisho, a matching set of samurai swords consisting of the longer katana and the shorter wakizashi. These utilize the iconic twin ring tsuba he's associated with.

Parameters:

Strength: C

Endurance: c

Agility: A

Mana: E

Luck: C

Class Skills:
Riding: E
Concerns the usage of mounts and vehicles. As Musashi was no cavalryman in life, this is more of a courtesy skill. He has a functional grasp of most vehicles and animals, enough to drive normally.

Magic Resistance: C-
Allows Musashi a basic defense against simpler spells. Due to his being summoned under a false grail, it's weaker than it would be were he a normal Saber.

Personal Skills:
Eye of the Mind (True): A
Despite his countless duels and battles, Musashi mastered many forms of art aside from swordfighting. His powers of observation and analysis have been honed through a lifetime of experience devoted to understanding the Way.

Noble Phantasm(s):
Book of Water: Rank B Anti-Unit (Passive)
Musashi was known for winning even wit a wooden sword. Any sword or sword-like weapon used by Musashi is laced with prana, becoming a NP type weapon capable of damaging other Servants.
To clarify, in addition to becoming a viable weapon against Servants, the weapon itself becomes a "ranked up version of itself". If a pool cue and a baseball bat were both affected by this ability, the pool cue would break in fewer hits than the bat. However, both could exchange blows with a Servant. Additionally, weapons utilized by this skill do not become truly unbreakable nor do they possess special properties such as blade beams. They have limited durability and can still only be used as melee weapon.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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I'm going to level with you, since this is grating on my nerves.

If you can't accept what I'm telling you, then you really should stop this.

I went against my better judgment and decided to be nice just in allowing you to join. I won't feel bad if I take that away when you're outright acting like this.

@Unoedipal

Fine, they can both be C. Geez.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

Oh and on top of that we're in Musashi's cultural sphere, so that'd give his parameters a boost as well.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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Instead of pontificating around it, give me codifications. Let's use the example of Gae Bolg, Anti-Unit heartstab. What would he need to do to figure out how to "counter" it and what would said counter consist of?

Both of them to C.

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See my post. Either way it's irrelevant since I said Musashi was fine.

@Unoedipal

Beyond simply having a high luck stat?
Look, if Book of Five Rings is going to cause such a fuss, I'll take it out.

And I will take B ranked STR and C ranked END. It's about the normal parameters for a Saber in the first place, and as I said before, Musashi was known for his physical prowess; he devoted his life to martial arts.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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Playing the canon character itself is fine. Copying a canon character's theme and turning it into your special OC isn't.

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I want an actual codification. What do you mean "hold his own"? If I give him prep time can he dodge Gae Bolg or smash through Kavacha and Kundala? What does it mean?

Do you know how many Servants outside of Grand Order have A rank STR at base, at base meaning "not counting things like Mad Enhancement"? The answer is one, and she has a dragon roughly the size of the Fuyuki Park inside of her.

@Unoedipal

"Hold his own" is a bit flexible. Coincidentally, Musashi liked flexibility. What it does varies depending on the skill in question.
The skill does not allow him to just brute force his way through things, because why would use use a rough sword that's a horrible idea. It does mean that after gaining info on a technique or better yet, observing its use, he can determine gaps and weaknesses in its use. By figuring out a work-around, he can force the opponent into where he personally shines: direct combat.
Admittedly, this does rely on my own ability to find gaps and weaknesses in a NP.

And I guess I'll tone STR and END down by a point each. Whatever.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

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Yes. You can app Iskander, but if you app an Iskander clone then that's dumb.

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I don't know if "Book of Water" is referring to "Book of Five Rings" or "Like Water".

If it's the former, you can keep it so long as it's properly codified. If the latter, you'll have to remove it or change it heavily if you want to be approved.

Parameters need heavy nerfing. I'm talking C for STR/END at best, based on not!Kojiro. The weapons section shouldn't call his weapons NPs when they're not.

@Unoedipal

Actually it refers to "Like Water". I don't get why it wouldn't be allowed, since it's essentially a weaker version of Knight of Honor, with a title that suits Musashi.

Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis

And on the other skill, Book of Five Rings is a skill that lets him hold his own against NPs provided he has prep time.
It ties into his real-life historical habit of exploiting weaknesses in enemy techniques and weapons, and also he wrote a book of how if he caught you doing this he'd kick your ass.

His combat stats being higher than Kojiro's makes sense because, historically, he beat Kojiro in two hits with a stick.
The high strength especially makes sense. Katanas are heavy swords, and Musashi used his one-handed to develop his dual-wielding style. Moreover, he's historically described as being physically very large. I recall his height being listed as something like six feet, which was tall for a Westerner, let alone a Japanese.