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When you try to write an essay on climate change but it just degrades into angry rambling halfway through.
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Conquer it, conquer the bread.
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Up until today I've never had any trouble with my EUIV Japan games. Today I got stomped five times in a row before even uniting the country.
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I'm a weeaboo communist. Are you surprised?

EDIT: You probably are now, but I'm not going to tell you why you wouldn't have been like two years ago. You get to agonize over that yourself.

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Can someone explain to me the appeal of loud screaming Let's Players who offer nothing more than a tired brand of humor, and screaming?


There isn't an explanation. It's a mystery of the universe.
Is a Black Market Civ possible with a base in Antarctica?


Sure, there aren't really limits on what form your faction can take as long as it isn't insanely powerful.
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memes are serious business ok
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Well, aside from that being literally the definition of what any given techbro enjoys watching, he explains things pretty simply. He might use more advanced terminology for most people, but he always explains what he means so anyone can understand. If you put ten year old me in front of him and had him record one of his videos, I would totally understand what he was talking about. Plus he just talks about things you wouldn't normally think about, and said things are usually of the "Holy fuck what" variety. It's just fun trivia about complex things massively dumbed down.

This might be traitorous to say... but please explain the obsession people have with memes. I spend a lot of time on Reddit so I am no stranger to then, but recently they have gone from a niche internet thing to a craze around the globe. I just don't understand...


The internet meme, essentially, is recognized in most people's minds as an in-joke. Their general specificity to a single, usually relatable subject makes people that understand the reference-no matter how absurd-think of themselves as a part of this specific group. When, in reality, said group isn't the like five people your brain treats it as but rather millions of people across the world. The more absurd memes (a good example I hope you know about was "long boy", which is also now used as a fruit fly to document the life stages of a meme because it fizzled out in about a week) don't have any specific subject, but are recognized as SIMILAR to other memes with subjects by the brain and thus people that are familiar with memes consider themselves in the in-group of people that like memes. So these memes, which if shown to some random guy who's been living under a rock or just someone above the age of 35, would have zero value in terms of humor. But to those who are familiar with memes and consider themselves a part of the meme in-group, they become in-jokes and thus funny.

One can also draw connections to absurdism in art after both world wars, which arose (of course) out of the fact that both wars caused massive devastation and were probably barely imaginable by the people at the time. Plenty of people lost their then-ubiquitous faith in God after living through them-my great grandfather never prayed again after he came back from WWI-and as a result the world seemed wrong to them. So absurdity became common in art, things like "sound poems" where people just spewed out gibberish in overly geometrical costumes and other strange works started to be created. In, I assume, both an attempt to make sense of the world or demonstrate its meaninglessness and absurdity

I would argue that the absurd, "ironic" memes have grown out of a similar feeling. Most of the millennial generation has been born into a world where they will die with debt, never retire, and have to pay for clean air (hell, already a thing in China). An economic crash has only made things worse for this entire generation, and so there's a fairly similar feeling of living in an absurd or hostile world. I mean, the South Korean president was indoctrinated into a millionaire cult that controlled all her actions behind the scenes, which was LITERALLY A CONSPIRACY THEORY before she recently admitted it was true. That's ridiculous, that's too stupid to be the plot of a movie, and it's reality. I personally enjoy absurd memes with no meaning because I see the world as ridiculous. I'm going to suffocate to death after missing my uncontaminated air subscription, leaving behind thousands in debt for children I won't have because I have failed to ever have a romantic relationship despite being well past the "normal age" to do so. If I believed the world had meaning, I would have killed myself a long time ago.

Coincidentally, this is also why a lot of people don't get absurd memes. They aren't in that situation. They have enough wealth to not need to worry about anything, or they know they'll be dead well before their world gets a chance to become a polluted hell. Maybe they just believe everything is fine, or maybe they have a vibrant social life connected with upper-middle class wealth so they don't even think about what's coming for them or the people below them. This helps people figure out who "gets" memes and who doesn't, and by extension what types they get. I have a friend who's the daughter of a rich businessman, and she laughs at things like the old John Cena memes (which are a third type: ones that create references on their own through sheer repetition when they were absurd, thus gaining a following in people that don't get absurd memes. A process often called "noramlization" or "normiefication") and Shia's "JUST DO IT" speech. But she wouldn't ever get, say, a ghetto meme (which are fucking comedy gold if you ask me), or literally anything from Special Meme Fresh or the countless other even more ironic Facebook meme pages. I, on the other hand, started to learn about politics the same time both my parents got fired in 2008. So my worldview is basically "Everything is shit and the universe is meaningless", and with that I ended up starting to "get" absurdist memes. Had the Recession not happened, I'd probably still be posting the old advice animal memes or laughing at rage comics.

So basically what I'm saying is that whether or not you enjoy memes largely depends on your societal status and material conditions. If you want to learn more, google "The Philosopher's Meme". A good example of what I mean about the absurdism arising from a view of the universe as meaningless due to one's environment is Non-Existent Existentialist Memes.
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I consider slavery pretty much worse then murder, rape, etc, all of that combined. Worse then genocide.

So yes.

It does.

It's not the sort of thing I can stand to see *win* and in my 1x1's, there's no chance of that. Just a story about revolution and justice. Here? There's no such safety net. And I don't really think it's worth investing the energy if the bastards might win anyways. Because people tend to gravitate towards horrible factions for some reason, and I just know we'll end up outnumbered.

Because I've seen it go that way a dozen times before. I just....don't have the energy anymore mate. If you wanna do 1x1 in a setting like this with me, hell, I'll be insanely open to it.

But I don't think I can play in this particular RP. Evil wins enough in RL, and I don't like to see it win in fiction.


True, I understand perfectly. In this RP I'd say that things are laid out fairly well to have the eventual triumph of good be a very real possibility. But it'll be a really, really shitty world until then. If we ever make it to the point at which it's no longer grimdark cyberpunk "we basically live in hell", I could send you a message if you'd be willing to join. The way plot development will go in this provided it runs without falling flat on its face like most recent NRPs, I'm sure it would be easy to squeeze whatever you want into the setting at that point.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to recuse myself from this game. I was worried I'd made the Free Cities too vile to be believable, but we've got a corporation(s) essentially dealing in genetically engineered slaves, when I was gonna have that be the most heinous thing the Free Cities did. Which would provide the popular support for the new commie govenrment.

If it's been happening openly

first

wow.

Second.

Yeah this is way too dark for me. The only reason I'd write a civilization like that is to watch it's overthrow. And there's a chance that's just not gonna happen here.

And I don't feel like risking a depressing Bad End. I'll just retreat back to my 1x1's.


There's still a (pretty big) chance of glorious revolution/systemwide WWII, but I understand. This happens a lot, doesn't it?

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If they are, Northstar will probably be exporting them given they have a few roots in the Japanese idol/anime industry in their corporate merger heritage. I figure that information and culture are major commodities in a near post-scarcity society. Ergo, anime! And lots of VR dynamic world simulators with built-in time dilation for those with sufficient computing power (for some reason the "be the dictator of your own world" sims seem to be trending a lot)


You better believe there are nekos. I might even make the lady I mentioned one, though all things considered she might not be OPENLY one.

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Well, not mutually exclusive. Corporate models vs. whatever homegrown plot you got. Its a big solar system.

@KeyguypersonFor a corporation occupying the asteroid belt, would 10% "hard sovereignty" of the Belt (own the space habitats, people, resources) and "soft influence" (commercialism, trade, heavily influencing associate or dependent colonies to the point of near-proxies) over 20% of the rest be plausible or too big? The numbers in this game are huge and I'd like to get an idea of a reasonable scale before getting too deep into the nitty-gritty of my nation. Rare to have a game think on this scale, I'm not used to it and I really want to avoid powerwanking.


That would probably be okay. The numbers are huge mainly because, given the technology I've created for the setting, it would be unrealistic to have less than a hundred trillion humans. Which, of course, is a huge amount. The solar system isn't overcrowded though, to give you an idea of how much room is still out there the estimate for how many people the solar system can support is 10 quadrillion. IN this RP, we haven't even reached one quadrillion. The population is somewhere around 200 trillion total. In space things are a lot less crowded than on planets, since there is a whole lot of damn room in space. On Earth, for example, the population is well past the carrying capacity but still nothing compared to people in space.

The reason things are so insane is biological immortality for the majority of people. Honestly, the only thing preventing an overpopulation crisis in a couple centuries here is the fact that VR porn and robotic/biological sex slaves exist. Humanity went too far a long time ago, but then kept going to see what would happen. Communication technology and administrative AIs, coupled with the fact that a large portion of people simply live workless lives of leisure, let these giant numbers be led effectively.

Remember that the vast majority of your population is actually just a resource drain. The middle class does literally nothing of worth beyond produce art and entertainment, which isn't useful in, say, a war. Only the underclass produces anything of practical value, and the upper class just administrates it all. Much like how in Victoria II your population is measured in adult males (the people who are doing most of the working and fighting in your society), in this the CEOs and Presidents of the solar system might as well measure their population in how many members of the underclass they have. This is important to remember when considering whether or not you're powerwanking.
@Keyguyperson

So, what's cloning like in this verse?

Vietnam must grow

LARGER.


Biotech is pretty advanced, to the point that cloning has existed for a while now. It just isn't usually used for making more people, rather genetically engineered creations that are regarded as being on the same level as robotic AIs and exist mostly as either novelties or SO substitutes for the r9k types (since you can't have actual sex with a robot). So basically, there are factories for this stuff. But if you use them to make people that are considered as such, then most of the solar system is going to consider them lower life forms.

This is intriguing.

@Keyguyperson Would I be allowed to be a non-corporate entity on Mars? Namely one that's a quasi-religious cult order with an obsession about machines and the integration of man and machine through bionics and prosthetics? Speaking of which, how advanced would prosthetics be at his point?


Sure, mad transhumanists are something I WANT. Prosthetics are for the most part replaced with regrown limbs for medical transplants, but augmentation is totally a thing. Think Deus Ex and other cyberpunk fiction for that.

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What's stopped self-replicating sapient AI from out-competing incredibly slow fleshbags for so long?

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Good luck convincing places with common sense safety laws to allow a fusion or pulse engine rocket to approach. Meanwhile, Al2O3 rockets will provide transport between any two points within the inner system in less than 2 weeks.


1: They aren't self-replicating. Humans have kept AIs on a tight leash, and though plenty are sapient, any attempts by them to reproduce are nipped in the bud. An AI revolution is a theortical crisis, and all the more likely now that the economy has crashed, but up until now at least the AIs have been unable and/or unwilling to revolt. This is also a reason why superhuman AIs are still rare and expensive: nobody has been pushing the envelope of AI power because everyone knows damn well what could happen if they did.

As for the propulsion issue, the fusion engines aren't dangerous at all. Aside from being semi-handwaved superefficient/superpowerful drives like the stuff in The Expanse, fusion power is actually really pretty safe. Pulse drive ships, obviously, use good old rockets to dock with stations (so they don't kill a million people in the process), but they're a minority. Shuttles would also use them, but neither of those is a massively vital part of the economy (pulse drives are considered outdated, and anything a shuttle can do a space elevator can). If you really want to be the big fuel dude (which is the vibe I'm getting) go for helium 3.

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Can we please just not get into the nuances of sci-fi and stuff like that? Since if you want a sci-fi NRP to die quick, going into that stuff is a prime method of doing it. Just accept things how they are and don't bring up "oh but thing X can do Y better than thing Z can" or stuff like that which can be seen as trying to minmax the shit out of something. Seriously, that's not fun for anyone and tends to make people look more like an insufferable know-it-all.

kthxbai


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Also I like how it's the interest check and y'all already working on breaking rule 3.
Interested. I have ideas for a corporate state entity that could fit right into this setting, where the value of the worker-employee is based on their debts and stock value in the company. And given that a major stock market meltdown has just happened........

How powerful is AI in this setting? Human-level? Beyond-human? Theoretically possible to create a super-AI or ubiquitous AI assistants but a mix of politics/economics/lack of interest not making it so? Details please.

Overall I give you kudos for having a very specific setting and "theme" to the game. The reason a lot of other NRP's sputter is because they are too vague and freeform. This game is different with a clear setting and immediate problem everyone has to face. I'll give it a shot, hope this takes off.


Thanks, glad to hear you like the little extra form! As for AIs, they are definitely at least human level and are in most places probably used for lower level administrative and "office grunt work". Essentially, white collar jobs of most types can be performed by AIs. There might be people watching over these AIs to ensure they don't revolt, depending on what your country thinks of AIs. And in some places, the industrial rather than post industrial nations, human laborers are more numerous than AIs simply because there's no reason to have an AI do manual labor when you have people to do it for you. Superhuman AIs do exist, though, and could be used in large level administration (but the upper class generally prefers to do such things themselves). If you have a particularly technophilic leader, though, they might create an AI to replace themselves as director.

AI assistants flat-out are ubiquitous, at least for people that aren't in the underclass. They can range from simple digital secretaries to fully-fledged people with robotic bodies that can act as companions. Most people won't own superhuman (as in, noticably more advanced than human) AIs though, those are the sorts of things only factions can make.

@Keyguyperson What's your stance on mining lunar regolith for aluminium oxide fuel?


There's nothing wrong in theory, but in practice it could be hard to find buyers who want it for fuel. Spacecraft operate mainly on fusion engines by this point, and those that don't just liberally apply nuclear shaped charges. There are still plenty of uses for the stuff, but none of them are exactly as exciting as spacecraft fuel. Stuff like "bicycle rim coatings", "glass", and "plastic filler". Still pretty important, since we ARE still using plastics (though made from Titanian hydrocarbons rather than petroleum from Earth), but nothing that's cool. You could totally still do that, but if you're going for lunar mining helium-3 is the way to go for Rule of Cool since it's used by basically everyone everywhere in power generation to spacecraft propulsion.

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For myself, I'm probably going with an Indochina-Caribbean type state. Initially, a social democracy with ultra-liberal "Free Cities" that....well.

Indentured servitude that rapidly became another type chattel slavery. And worse.

Radical in the military seize control of the government during the crash, start storming the Free Cities. And unearthing a hell of alot of dirty little secrets, which they promptly send out to the media.

Things...progress from there.

*Hums Founding of the Party*

Interested. I have ideas for a corporate state entity that could fit right into this setting, where the value of the worker-employee is based on their debts and stock value in the company. And given that a major stock market meltdown has just happened........


Personally, I'm going with modern-day Chinamerica. A formerly communist country that still calls itself communist, but is really just a haven for corporations and mostly populated by an industrial underclass. The America part comes in culturally, and the original communist revolution against Earth was basically just the West Virginia Coal Wars where the miners won plus the American Revolution. And then, well, the economy crashes and the government has been talking up the original revolution for years. And now some lady has told everyone that she's going to restore the glorious People's Republic of the Belt by removing inequality according to its original revolutionary ideals.
1/1/2300

"Black January"


In the year 2020, Interorbital Systems in collaboration with various Chinese, Russian, and American corporations established Armstrong City in Copernicus crater on the Moon. In the following years, the lunar surface exploded with countless different private companies claiming land to get at the abundant helium-3 on the body. Which, with the advent of efficient fusion technology, fetched a high price. The moon became like the eastern coast of America during the colonial era, with new spacecraft from Earth arriving periodically to bring new colonists and supplies. A permanent interorbital vessel was built to do never-ending laps around Earth and the Moon to provide cheap, bulk transport between Earth and her new colonies.

It wasn't long, of course, before humans started popping up on Mars. Just four years later, SpaceX founded the first permanent settlement on Mars. And then, as Mars grew, humanity decided to look out just a bit further. Mining ships were sent out to asteroids, and were soon replaced with mining towns. If the Moon was the east coast, then Mars and the asteroids were the wild west. Entire towns with hundreds of residents popped up in nights to tap the resources of the belt. By 2050, the Moon had sprawling metropolises populated with the many millions of people that simply couldn't fit on Earth anymore. Corporations moved production into space, where there was technically no actual law. Since no countries could claim land in space, the corporations did it instead.

The world became a radically different place. Areas one considered undeveloped jumped directly to a post-industrial society in a second scramble for Africa, this time with the corporations being the players rather than European empires. Corporate armies acting on behalf of various governments suppressed rebellions, ended civil wars, and turned entire countries into their puppets. With the riches of space they turned these once impoverished nations into economic powerhouses. Space elevators began to pop up in equatorial Africa, the Sahara became a massive field of solar panels, and villages that once didn't even have a well turned into cities. The population exploded, and even more colonists were provided for the corporations and their ambitions.

In 2107, we invented biological immortality. It only added fuel to the fire. As it became easier and easier to get the necessary genetic modifications, the human population just grew larger and larger. Nobody bothered to stop it. No one child laws were introduced, no attempts to curb the population boom. When there wasn't room, people just left Earth for the colonies. In 2150 or so, people started to leave the Moon. The total human population by then was somewhere around 350 billion. We didn't stop.

Now, the year is 2300. We passed a trillion a while back, and now humanity numbers in the hundreds of trillions. The moons of Jupiter have been colonized long ago, countless billions live in aerostat habitats floating in the atmosphere of Venus, and the older asteroid colonies are now hollowed-out, spinning worlds with their own internal atmosphere and weather. Many wars have been fought, and many colonies have earned their freedom.

Corporations operate interplanetary navies, now-independent nations have taken up countless different ideologies. In many asteroids, society is a free-for-all competition to generate the most profit. Across the solar system corporations hold total sway. Humanity is entering a stage in its existence wherein inequality is artificially ensured by law. Capitalism as we once knew it no longer holds total sway, in many places being replaced with a strange system of universal basic incomes for the "unemployed middle class" to keep them participating in a monetary economy while the poor underclasses live in slums at best and slave shacks at worst. Where pure capitalism still exists, there are a few ultrarich individuals surrounded by billions of barely surviving near-slaves stepping on each other's heads in an attempt to get to the top.

But all that might be about to change.

On the first of January of this year, something unprecedented happened. The bubble burst. With the resources to support ten quadrillion being mined in the asteroid belt, the entire human economy was based upon a false scarcity kept in place with the economic equivalent of the liberal application of duct tape. And that tape has given way. The stock market has crashed in an event that has become known simply by the date it occurred on: 1/1/2300 (usually shortened to 1/1/23). The new world has become old, replaced by an uncertain future where anything is possible.

Humanity's future is no longer the bright utopia proposed to the masses for centuries. And the masses will not be happy.














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