mdk

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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I have to disagree. I have looked up the clinton white house. I am a history major, though granted my forte is medieval history. But still, and I have to say the country is far more polarized now, and I would argue that most of Trump's term in office is more chaotic, except for the infamous clinton-cheating scandal. But yeah I know about the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing and the like. I'm not saying the clinton administration was perfect, and didn't have people against it. Every presidency does, but the term U.S. government, in both culture and popculture, used to be synonymous with competence, and even a superstitious aw, and now (to many people at least) it's viewed mostly with "I wonder what happened this week."

@POOHEAD189

First year, is what I was talking about. Granted, Clinton didn't have Russia -- but his actual government was in disarray for the first year of office. He got it together.

But it kinda sounds to me like you're talking about something else entirely. It sounds like you're talking about people's perception of the government, and/or how it was portrayed in the media. Just pick any Republican president, any of 'em. Name one. Bush? it was like this. Reagan? It was like this. Bush Sr.? ......I mean he lost as an incumbent, so it MUST have been bad. Lincoln? It was like this, but a little worse. Etc.

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And I realized 'this is such a 90's way of seeing the Government. I can completely tell this movie came out 98, because today when I watch a hearing at Congress or the president speaking, I wouldn't trust most of them with my laundry.

@POOHEAD189

The biggest difference between the 90s and today, with respect to government, is that you've got seventeen extra years of experience under your belt now. For instance, did you know that Clinton's first term was every single bit as chaotic as Trump's? Possibly even more so? I mean maybe you've looked that up or read about it somewhere but.... was that the impression you had, back then? Not me, I was in grade school. The concept of a late-appointed chief undersecretary of the labor department swearing in was invisible to me, as I imagine it was to most people my age and younger.

TL:DR they weren't better back then, you were just littler.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

Growing up I had a sort of idealized version of America. They were these people that could do anything, that beat the Nazi's and the Soviets. They were champions of free speech and free press and freedoms in general. Maybe childhood just implies a lack of nuanced, but its hard to square that rosy vision with the racist assholes that seem to lurk under every rock.

@Penny

I too am getting fed up with Jim Accosta.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

That's a deliberately vague term. What, precisely, are you alleging? The complete and total charge, the whole shebang. Lay it out for me.

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@mdk
Trump friendly groups I meant.

@Andreyich

And this, in your mind, constitutes "hacking the US election?"

Before you answer -- Clinton staffers wrote (in "Shattered," their book recounting the campaign process and the post-election fallout) that she and Podesta invented the Russia story altogether. Here's CNN's assessment of things, before they knew they lost. Here's Obama laughing about the very concept of an election being hacked, and note my personal favorite part, where he talks about what he and Clinton ought to do if Trump wins (lol). Here's Hilary saying shut up about election rigging, and talking about respecting the results of the election -- she didn't know yet that she lost, so that explains why she can smugly call anyone who questions the outcome of the election a "threat to democracy."

I can show you what the rest of the DNC was saying about it too, but I'm on the clock here.... The point is, what I'm demonstrating here is, by their own admission, none of it ever happened, none of it was ever possible, and to even suggest such a thing would cause chaos and that very same chaos was the only real threat in the whole scenario. Then they lost so they said "Fuck it, the chaos won't hurt us as much as the truth, let's go with Russia hacking." And you're swallowing it. Don't.

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hmm.

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you can't deny there was at least some Russian interference, funding of "friendly" groups and such.

@Andreyich

"funding" =/= "interference"*

* Unless it's a republican **

** But not McCain, ie funding Ukranian opposition riots ***

*** But okay sometimes McCain though, like in 2008

....you get the idea. The whole thing is so duplicitous, laughing and mocking the "COLLUSION" wolf-crying campaign isn't enough -- though it is sometimes satisfying. The DNC is literally -- not figuratively -- calling for blood in the streets over a nothingburger -- not because they think it'll work, but because it's successfully distracting people from the actual treason we're uncovering against their best efforts. There should be consequences.

**** Incidentally nobody's been able to show the Russians funded any part of Trump's campaign, so what are we even talking about?

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

One of my favorite things to do whenever I get to a new town is checking out their bookstores. In fact I think that is my favorite thing to do one a trip.

It's only a funny honorable mention for the thread, but I saw a magazine called U.S. Foreign Affairs and opened it up only to find every subject was about domestic matters like top 40 richest men in the country. I was kind of disappointed...

@POOHEAD189

You want FP, Foreign Policy. Great mag.

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@mdk

@Dynamo Frokane

that's wrongthink.

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@mdk I'm confused. Who said that it was right for someone to commit violence if they dislike someone else?

@POOHEAD189

Know what, I got a little freedom boner and somehow the "Social consequences like Milo" --> "Charlie Hebdo should've seen it coming" --> "I agree, responsibility etc." chain sorta triggered it. I'm REEEEEEEing like a Berkley student over here. I'd say "disregard all that," but actually I still kinda feel like it's worth saying, so instead let's just pretend like I was directing that towards AntiFa and everybody can agree with me and totally virtue-signal the Constitution.