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[Coughs in Ukrainian]


*clicks on link*

"officially known as the Ruthenian State or Zaporizhian Host (Військо Запорозьке, Viys’kо Zaporoz’kе)"

That being said, I did see all that but assumed that considering the Hetman was an elective role it would make little sense to call a genuine monarchy that. And they would at least have the conception of monarchy from the Russians, who, considering the makeup of the nobility, would still be majority in control of the country.

That being said, I'll go with Vilage's suggestion and call it simply Ukraine and the leader as Hetman. Given that, is my application acceptable?
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Use the terms "Hetman" and "Hetmanate" with the Ukraine. It fits their identity more comfortably and makes it feel more Ukrainian. Practically speaking it doesn't necessarily change the function of your government in anyway.


"Hetman" has no historical or linguistic basis as a demonym or the name of a country, it's only titled that in historical terms because the general/military leader of that state was called the Hetman. It certainly holds no basis in a monarchy. If we're going to be entirely correct on that, it should be called the Kingdom of Zaporizhia.

And Zaporizhia, further, is only a region of southern Ukraine. It's a bit absurd to use a short-lived comparatively small Cossack state as the entire basis for a new Ukrainian kingdom.

To tell you the truth, I wanted to call it Galicia-Volhynia, as that has a much stronger historical basis even if it is further removed in time. I'd be happy to go with that if you think it's preferable.
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Ayyy!

So how do you want to do this?
A Traditionalist vs Socialist split where its the Imperials vs the Communists or whatever?
The Imperial Conservatives vs the Modernists who want Japan to stop being so Jingo Japan?
People who like white rice vs people who like brown rice?


I'd just like to say I very much appreciate your Kurumi signature, I finished that anime yesterday lmao~

Aaaand here's the app. Entirely open to negotiation on the details, but I wanted to leave most everything surrounding me to be decided by negotiation between the relevant bordering powers, particularly Poland and the Baltic States. Also, if you want it longer, I can try, but there's only so much fluff you can add to a 5-year history.

Nation: Ukraine



Location (on map): Most of modern-day Ukraine minus the easternmost portions and Crimea, southern Belarus.


History:

After the assassination of the Tsar of the Russian Empire in 1952, the resulting tremors and quakes exposed the ever-present cracks in Russian society and state. New movements and old alike, Bolshevik and reactionary, republican and nationalist, took the opportunity to rise and compete for control over what became an increasingly fractured empire. This took some great time to build up to outright civil war and conflict, but when it did, the ideology which has proven itself by far the strongest of all human ideas was the first to take advantage of it. This ideology was nationalism. While the other forces certainly were at work in Ukraine, the common bonds of nationalism led to the Ukrainian nobility, bourgeoisie and peasants alike uniting for a brief time to secure their independence from an increasingly fragmented and shattering Russia. With the central government in disarray, the Ukrainian Provisional Assembly formally declared independence on December 14th, 1955, claiming all lands with a majority Ukrainian population. In reality, however, this would prove to not be the case, as further troubles loomed once the question of independence was settled.

On May 1st, 1956, the Ukrainian Bolsheviks staged a massive revolt centered in the major cities of Kiev and Kharkiv. They pronounced the formation of new Soviets, and the entire Provisional Assembly was executed in an effort to instill terror on the other segments of the population. However, the main forces of the army, still in control of the officer corps made up of the traditional nobility, were able to galvanize support in retribution for the Bolsheviks' actions. They surrounded Kiev and after a defiant yet brief defense by the Bolsheviks, Kiev was retaken. The commander of the army, Artem Yurijovych Solovski, seeking to cement the power structure and buoyed by a wave of popular support, was crowned Hetman of Ukraine by the Ukrainian Orthodox Church on June 25th, 1956. However, the Bolsheviks were able to retain their grip on power in northeastern Ukraine, and remain one of the primary antagonistic groups faced by the new Ukrainian monarchy.

Over the next three years, Hetman Artem Yurijovych struggled to lay the new foundations of power, but succeeded in doing so by fostering a close relationship with the ascendant capitalist class in Ukraine as ever greater numbers of former peasants came to the cities as nobles enclosed on communal farms in order to remain prosperous. A strong military-industrial complex was formed, catalyzed by intensive state investment and need for war materiel in ongoing skirmishes with bordering Russian splinter states, the Ukrainian Bolsheviks, and Tatar Crimea in the south. In the just-finished 1960 census, the Kingdom of Ukraine had a population of approximately 42 million people, mostly Ukrainians with a minority of Belarusians living in the northernmost, newly conquered regions. His rule was popularized by his highly jingoistic, patriotic speeches and efforts to recover the remaining land that he considered part of the de jure Ukrainian patrimony, and republican sentiment has been quelled by close relationships with the largest industrial magnates and a barebones constitutional framework governed by the legislature, the Verkhovna Rada. The monarchy, however, retains primary control and power to override its decisions.

In April of 1960, however, the 55-year old Hetman Artem suffered a stroke and after a few days of intensive care, died. His only heir, his 20-year-old daughter Anastasiya Artemivna Solovski, is set to assume the throne. The coronation was decided by the Rada to take place on June 25th, 1960. It remains to be seen whether such a young female successor can hold together the new monarchy her father had built.
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Feo/Shyri and I were talking about the Russian situation on Discord, since he was probing for what he could get away with in Russia. The conclusion met in the end is that since I didn't add any date to the Russian collapse that it's relatively new. Regions like Russian-Poland and other ethnically/culturally dominated regions like Crimea (Tatars) or anywhere in the Caucuses might be more capable of forming what would be described as a nation, on the whole the civil war in Russia is pretty new; which also lends into why I'm erring on the side of caution now on a repeat of the Polish-Ukrainian mess; we can kind of sit down and do it "right".

At the same time, given the Polish situation by the time of the First World War and before with so many other entities wanting to cast their chips into the ring for a Polish nation (if anything, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Russia wanted a Poland that if it existed would be aligned to them) that Poland would probably be a political dueling ground for national interests, never mind the fears someone might end up loosing territory. So in this situation, Poland may not be strong enough to move on anyone and would be at political odds between German and Austrian interests now.

I'm sure I alluded to the Russian situation as it were beginning sometime during the later side of 1955, so it's up to you guys to find the precise year.


I was thinking that pent-up Polish nationalism would have lent itself to a strong rebellious state forming in defiance of German interests, and I wasn't sure how Austria would have held up in light of the problems they continued to have all the way up to WW1 that lead them to the brink of collapse even with the shorter war in reality.

That being said, I'd also see your situation as more plausible and I think I may just go with a simple Ukrainian monarchy in respect of that. Not sure I'd enjoy being ground under rival powers' heels that much, so this is more out of the way.
I mean, Poland's independence was secured by Germany, if anything you bow to the Saxons of the west. ;o


The Finns assassinated the Tsar, my friend. Poland could only have been independent for 8 years now, and I doubt the Germans could have had anything to do with it.

I suspect that if this is anything like the last RP, there will be commies up that way by Finland. But maybe I'm overly cautious.
@Mihndar, Poland claims Crimea?


Dual monarchy of Poland and Ukraine is what I'm thinking along the lines of.

Also, it's no true Poland without Danzig.


You mean Gdańsk (such a heretic). But true. And also a source of contention, unless Germany sees fit to give it back.
GOSH DARN IT POLAND MESSIN UP MY PLANS WITH GERMANY


WE HAVE BEEN CRUSHED FOR TOO LONG

POLAND WILL BE FREEEEE
*Casually plants a German flag*


*Assertively plants a Polish flag next to it*



I'm open to negotiations with my fellows Austria-Hungary and Germany on the territory, but I didn't infringe on any of their prior holdings, I think.

I haven't done this in a while, but I think I've got a good general vision of what I want to do differently this time.
>Wehr lives

holy fuck, all we need now is Propso.


Then I can restart Civilization Roleplay too xD
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We're still working on it. Right now I have a form with the countries having proper names, borders, and 1/3 of the correct leaders. Me and Wilted haven't combined out 2 halves yet since she's been unavailable for a little while, though. Also. Making portraits for every leader, as well as generic alternate portraits for misc countries and leaders of other factions is taking a while. I'm about ready to just draw them in the Chapel Portrait style to save time.


That's really cool. I hope you guys manage to finish it. I assume it's just a change to the countries, leaders and political parties, no adjustment to gameplay or anything like that?

I mean, vanilla national focuses would be very strange in a PoW context, so I guess you would either have to change those or give everyone the generic ones to make sense.
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