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Well I wouldn't say the claims go against known science, since catchamber is pretty clear that he's only speaking theoretical terms. Such as "consider if we had automated systems that took care of everyone's need without any human input." Like sure, if you assume away scarcity, we don't really have any scientific point of reference for how things would turn out, since that's so radically outside of the human experience up to this point. I don't find much use in such exercises though, as once you go outside of known parameters and create theoretical ones, you can make any logic work (i.e. if we start from the assumption that the Bible is the absolute truth of the universe because God, then yes, the universe is 6000 years old, and such like).
i wanna make a character native to the planet, but not a dinosaur, a humanoid (possibly with dino traits tho)

is there majik on dino planet or is it like totally mundane, no technology, no magic, no anything, just straight up jurassic planet
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Basically agree with that 100%. (although I wouldn't immediately say anarchic practices like revolution or overthrowing a corrupt government or regime, is inherently going to lead to worse results than you started. Though I'm aware that's has been the case many times before.) But especially how that particular article portrays his arguments, it's almost parallel to socialism arguments.

mises.org/library/trouble-socialist-a… I'd probably use this to point out the problems with the concept of socialist anarchy.


I wouldn't say revolution or other government overthrows are inherently anarchic, they're only such if the goal is explicitly to create anarchy as the prevailing state of affairs afterwards. Usually (almost always, in fact), the people conducting the revolution still want to have a government afterwards, they just want a different one.

Haven't bothered to read any articles, but the concept of socialist anarchy is laughable, yeah.
@Normie Not that I think anarchy is actually a viable political strategy for a productive society, it also doesn't really bring into account the great advancing of our society. I highly doubt it would be as simple and barbaric as those times, even considering the stereotype of what anarchy looks like. I disagree that it would just merely lead to the exact same form of government necessarily, or even have a governmental structure.

Though I suppose it depends on exactly where it's taking place, but the government also once used be a free public service that wasn't a paid job and didn't tax or have very much authority over anyone else. Also, I'd honestly feel safer in a world that started from anarchy, than one with strict governmental control like a dictatorship.

Also, despite not being my particular brand of politics. I'll play the devil's advocate and post someone's detailed explanation on why anarchy "would" work. (Though I disagree, it's not any less convincing than socialism.)

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter…


Oh I don't think anarchy would get you the same form of government after the power vacuum is filled, I'm saying it would get you a much worse one (again, because this is what happened in history--the vast majority of states started off as total autocracies and have taken millenia to develop forward to where they are now, and in many parts of the world, they're still unaccountable autocracies today). You are not going to be able to go from anarchy straight to a stable liberal democracy, those norms and institutions take generations to build up and become embedded into society.

Governments did used to be much smaller and if someone is saying they have grown too large, I actually totally agree. But "we need smaller government" is a totally different viewpoint than "we need no government." Governments remain necessary for purposes of national defense, enforcement of property rights, and other basic functions that ensure a free society. Anyone who thinks they aren't simply isn't properly conceptualizing what a government is. Whatever agent you put in place to fulfill those functions will end up being your government, whether you choose to call it one or not.
good ol commiefornia
tag us or something if an RP thread is ever made for this
"Oh wow, look axe lady! It's the skylights! In my town they were all sorts of rainbow colors, but here they're just only green. So cool! Is it just me, or they getting brighter? Hey--ahh!"

Ivas shielded his eyes from the blinding flash of green necromancer energies that washed over the land, taking a moment to recover afterwards.

"Hey, where'd the skylights go?"

It finally occurred to him that those might not just have been atmospheric phenomena when the ground started to burst apart in dozens of places.

"Holy crap!"

Spoopy undead by the gallon, and none of these were cute girls, either. Even Ivas knew that these ones were monsters! Ack! Now he enjoyed slaying a good monster just as much as the next questing hero, but here he'd bitten off a few thousand more than he could chew! Edge whipped left, right, down, and all around, easily clearing all the ones that had risen up within close reach of him, but he had to get moving fast or else he'd get mobbed down. Edge granted him plenty of skill and some unusual ways to attack, but not any kind of raw power that was suitable for taking out a whole army of bad guys. Quickly surveying the situation, Ivas saw that there was a doorway in one of the big mound things surrounding the giant obelisk. It was the only place to go that he could see.... if nothing else, they could barricade themselves inside to buy time. Hopefully there would be some townspeople in there who knew how to help, and not just more zombies and spooks!

"C'mon axe lady! We've gotta get to that round stone house! Maybe that wagon thingie can get us there, it's closer!"

Ivas initiated his tried-and-true technique for enemies that were slow and squishy yet numerous, holding Edge straight out in front of him as the pommelstone began to glow. The magic blade turned sideways at a ninety-degree angle, so that it ran parallel to Ivas's body, then began to spin at high speed to form a big rotary fan. Bracing his sword arm with his other hand and keeping it held straight forward, he advanced into the legions of the dead, with his magic sword buzzsaw serving the duel purpose of chewing baddies into paste while also flinging all the resulting gore and viscera away from him. Just like trimming the hedges back home!

He made it to the trundling dwarf wagon just in time, as the number of skeletons was starting to get too many for his weapon to easily chop up. Returning the sword to its natural form, Ivas dove expertly between two of while slashing off the legs of the last one blocking his way, kicking its skull aside with a cheerful "Coming through!" as he charged over it.... just in time for the wagon to randomly explode!

"Agghhh!!"

Luckily, the spirit in the blade reacted faster than any human could, acting automatically to protect its wielder. The blade's enchanted steel fanned out into the shape of a forward-facing umbrella, peeling back closer to the hilt and around Ivas's body on all sides. This caused the explosion send him tumbling through the air, jumbled and jostled about something fierce, but ultimately not hurt very badly. The boy did hit his head pretty hard on the landing, though, and laid dazed for a moment as dead hands began to grasp and tug at his clothes.

"Uhhhh, greenie girl? Is that you? I'm sorry, I lost your hand, I don't--hey! You're not--"

Remembering where he was, Ivas scrambled away from the zombies and jumped to his feet. As luck would have it, his flight had landed him right in front of the doorway he'd been trying to get to all along! He rushed inside, wondering if axe lady had made it through or not.

"Hello! Anybody home? Axe lady? Wagon guy? Hello!" he called into the darkness behind him, while keeping guard over the doorway to cut down any wayward undead who tried to wander inside. They didn't seem to have any particular purpose or direction besides going after someone they could actively see, so the bulk of the horde remained safely outside the cairn.
t minus 30 mins where i am

may 2018 be even more autistic than 2017

as the salt rises, my power grows
If portions of the military have joined the opposition in Iran, that's a really good sign. That is a big factor in determining the success or failure of these things, how loyal the military is to the regime and how willing it is to kill its countrymen to protect said regime. Even if it succeeds, though, then there is the question of what will come next, and will it be any better.
@Normie Living on land tends to assume that you're allowing yourself to be subjected to the laws of your local government, which is what I'm trying to circumvent for the sake of functional anarchism.


That's because people have always lived only on land though. If living on water became the norm instead, there's no reason to believe that current practices and institutions wouldn't be carried over accordingly, for similar reasons and in a similar way. Now, if this was only a small community of a few thousand people at most floating around doing this, considered irrelevant wackos by the landlubbers, then maybe you could get away with it and just trade with/buy from land dwellers without being subject to any government. There are some fringe people who basically do this on land already (look up Slab City if you don't know what that is). If you're wanting to organize all of humanity this way, though, that would change things quite a lot.
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