God I really am regretting having Hymn come first into contact with Data: if I had known how the character acts I would have changed how I envisioned Hymn. I just want to say that I appreciate that you all didn't ask for a deep personality bio, since I'm probably going to end up rewriting some of this to make sure she doesn't just leave.
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@Legend
I'm afraid the only response I can give to your objection is "You're obviously wrong". I don't know how to make myself any more clear than 'there is no substantive difference between 'evil is taxes' and 'art is dancing'': I'll try again when I understand you better.
Or not. I don't think it's going to be useful if we keep talking about language: I'm beginning to think our differences are too great to easily reconcile.
Anyways: is there anything I can do to be useful? I'm ready to believe that it's this Kirina who tried to kill everyone here, and so I figure this is as good a reason as any to invoke the exception to my Pilgrimage.
I'm afraid the only response I can give to your objection is "You're obviously wrong". I don't know how to make myself any more clear than 'there is no substantive difference between 'evil is taxes' and 'art is dancing'': I'll try again when I understand you better.
Or not. I don't think it's going to be useful if we keep talking about language: I'm beginning to think our differences are too great to easily reconcile.
Anyways: is there anything I can do to be useful? I'm ready to believe that it's this Kirina who tried to kill everyone here, and so I figure this is as good a reason as any to invoke the exception to my Pilgrimage.
@Legend
Art can also be consistently objectively defined, even if definitions differ. I could define art as 'something which the creator intended to convey meaning through methods besides language', or 'objects which evoke emotions which would be identified by the one experiencing it as 'awe' or 'admiration' or 'melancholy'.'. Art could also be prescriptive: 'Art is the result of dancing, singing, painting or sculpting, and nothing else'.
None of these definitions are any more or less subjective than 'evil is performing an unwanted action on an unwilling participant' or 'evil is the termination of a living organism for whatever reason' or 'evil is the character of actions which reduce the overall utility of Creation.'.
Of course, this is all assuming that we mean the same thing when we say 'objective' or 'subjective' an assumption which I am sure, just like with the words art or evil, is incorrect. I am sure, of course, that you have a very useful definition for the words 'soul' and 'evil', that goes without saying. It might be more fruitful to ask, "What has she done after her inception, to evidence the assertion that she's evil. And why is she trying to kill you all?"
Art can also be consistently objectively defined, even if definitions differ. I could define art as 'something which the creator intended to convey meaning through methods besides language', or 'objects which evoke emotions which would be identified by the one experiencing it as 'awe' or 'admiration' or 'melancholy'.'. Art could also be prescriptive: 'Art is the result of dancing, singing, painting or sculpting, and nothing else'.
None of these definitions are any more or less subjective than 'evil is performing an unwanted action on an unwilling participant' or 'evil is the termination of a living organism for whatever reason' or 'evil is the character of actions which reduce the overall utility of Creation.'.
Of course, this is all assuming that we mean the same thing when we say 'objective' or 'subjective' an assumption which I am sure, just like with the words art or evil, is incorrect. I am sure, of course, that you have a very useful definition for the words 'soul' and 'evil', that goes without saying. It might be more fruitful to ask, "What has she done after her inception, to evidence the assertion that she's evil. And why is she trying to kill you all?"
@whizzball1
No no, I meant Wrath. Like, this person:
. I know he exists in the multiverse as portrayed in FMA, since we've had people like Alucard in the RP, and clearly his body double exists because there's someone named Bo who looks exactly like him. He even dresses the same. Anyways, I was mostly being facetious, I get what you're saying.
Can someone explain the tiers to me though? I'm a little hazy on them.
No no, I meant Wrath. Like, this person:
. I know he exists in the multiverse as portrayed in FMA, since we've had people like Alucard in the RP, and clearly his body double exists because there's someone named Bo who looks exactly like him. He even dresses the same. Anyways, I was mostly being facetious, I get what you're saying.Can someone explain the tiers to me though? I'm a little hazy on them.
@whizzball1
So, if this is a multiverse game, I wonder what someone like Wrath would think if he knew that someone looked exactly like him with a different name and presumably a different personality. It'd be interesting, to have a few million different identical bodies with a million different brains meet each other.
So, if this is a multiverse game, I wonder what someone like Wrath would think if he knew that someone looked exactly like him with a different name and presumably a different personality. It'd be interesting, to have a few million different identical bodies with a million different brains meet each other.
@Legend
*I laugh, but take careful note of the explanation, attention rapt around the room.*
I'm surprised you were reluctant to define art, but use words like 'evil' and 'soul'. I never would have guessed that joules per second could carry moral thinking. Regardless, I assume that our definitions are similar for the former, at least: she sounds like someone who would be better off not existing.
*I laugh, but take careful note of the explanation, attention rapt around the room.*
I'm surprised you were reluctant to define art, but use words like 'evil' and 'soul'. I never would have guessed that joules per second could carry moral thinking. Regardless, I assume that our definitions are similar for the former, at least: she sounds like someone who would be better off not existing.
Gotcha. Thanks for clarification.
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If we consider physics a video game, the fact that we essentially have defined the "game engine" ourselves here means that we can alter the behavior of several physical properties without actually violating any laws. Antimatter is also entirely fair game.
Ah so you've actually defined what's been changed? Are you referring just to the assertion of the philotes, or is there more that I can find somewhere?
@Stabby
I, of course, yield to the more experienced parties here.
*Sarcasm slips into my voice, a jocular, irreverent tone.*
Though, it does raise the question: if cooperating with our guardian would lead to defeat, cooperating with the one trying to kill us might save us, no?
I, of course, yield to the more experienced parties here.
*Sarcasm slips into my voice, a jocular, irreverent tone.*
Though, it does raise the question: if cooperating with our guardian would lead to defeat, cooperating with the one trying to kill us might save us, no?
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