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In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

If you are a moderator or an admin, and you think to yourself 'I don't have time for this shit' then you need to either fucking make time or step down. You are here to give your time to the community. If listening to people's issues gets too time consuming/annoying to you, then people's issues do not get addressed. Your JOB is to address them.

@POOHEAD189

Yep. We've got at least one mod, and maybe more, who think that being a mod just means building a power base; kicking and banning the people you dislike, and letting the surviving sycophants line up to suck your clit. But once it comes time to actually read threads, delete the ones which break rules, settle disputes, and so on, suddenly they "can't handle this right now" because they're too tired, busy, distracted. They don't have to do anything when it's inconvenient since it's "not exactly a paid job."

Like, motherfucker you volunteered for it. What's more, you're one of the few who were actually accepted as mods from the large pool of people who volunteered, meaning you were deemed among the best of the bunch for the position. Who the hell are you thinking you're above the obligations of the position, whereas reaping the privileges is perfectly easy and desirable?

In Defense Of The Genre [Part II]

I know I've only been here a week, but lemme give all you peeps some advice. Be yourself and if you get banned, then fuck it - there's plenty other sites to go to. If you're involved in a creative environment, but are afraid to say things or talk about things for fear of being banned then staying isn't worth it.

No matter how much work you put into this place, or time you devote to it, unless you own the site then being a member here is a "blessing not a right". There are no laws stating that they have to do anything when it comes to whom they ban.

Personally I haven't had any problems here yet, being new, but already this place looks a little shady based on the mod's responses.

A lot of websites have a Ban List, with the name of the user and a pic/link to the post that got them banned. Nothing else said about it. It's a locked thread so no one can reply to it. This is a great idea because it will stop the questioning of your judgments AND make sure the mod's can't abuse their power because they have to show the proof of their actions.

And people should be able to make appeals for others, especially if they have evidence. There's really no legitimate reason to not allow that, except for the fact that you don't want to.

@Master

That line of logic—"If you don't like it, go play another game"—has ruined far more communities already. If the owners/staff/moderators (of any site, not just this one) are immune to criticism then they have no real incentive to change anything. If they can dodge their responsibilities by telling themselves, "There are other RP sites for these whiners to move to," they'll never find a reason to make their own site better. After all, you cannot reconcile a simple difference in tastes between two roleplayers.

Frankly, this thread symbolizes progress. The first 2-3 times this happened the mods fully committed themselves to damage control: they tone-policed, claiming that you could discuss any controversial topic you like but only with certain pre-approved styles of rhetoric. They blatantly censored, first claiming that they deleted threads for their "insulting" or "inflammatory" nature, but then deleting the same threads a second time even when edited to fit a non-provocative tone. And this censorship, as a matter of fact, transcended the site itself and its connected applications, as some mods tried to prevent us from discussing these issues in others' Discord channels, and even in my own. They didn't want the story getting out anywhere.

If they're allowing this discussion to finally take place, they must have realized that their coverup failed. Utterly and spectacularly. People are naturally curious, and some of them even risk bans/mutes to find the answers they seek. They go to the mods seeking these answers, and when the mods refuse to provide them, those players will talk to each other instead, including people like me, the ones with big mouths and bold opinions. Hypothetically speaking, I can lie to these curious parties, or at least present the facts to them through a biased lens, whereas the mods have finally realized that letting us speak for ourselves, publicly and openly, in a forum where we're held accountable only for our own explicit words and actions, means no one will have to wonder why someone was banned if he said something offensive in this thread. We can read it for ourselves. Further, the opinions expressed here cannot be cherrypicked, taken out of context.

At least while this thread is up, we don't have to speculate anymore as to why so-and-so was banned, nor what inflammatory things he said preceding this penal action. Here we're held accountable for our own words, presented in their purest form, directly from our own mouths. To flinch from this thread, to decry its existence, is to eschew honesty itself.

I'll add, too, that although this site is seriously flawed, it's also the best I've found for quenching my thirst in writing creative fiction. For that reason alone, I'd sooner help in any way I can to repair it than simply burn bridges and migrate to another. A nigga ain't shit if he ain't loyal.

End + Sleep

I sent my edits to the GM and he hasn't approved/denied yet.

Although even if I was accepted, I planned on waiting a few rounds before posting anyway. Wanted to be sitting somewhere that the other characters just happen to walk into, not just blindly stumbling into the story like every other lame-o :^)

So yeah I'm hoping this doesn't die but I'm powerless to help.

Languages?!?!?

If realism concerns you, each language, "Dwarvish" and "Elvish" and the likes, will comprise many dialects, representing the different ethnicities, geographies, etc., during whose usage the language evolved over time. In truth the nuances of the language should reflect its history, particularly in a precise region.

But worldbuilding is hard so the majority of mediocre RPers don't concern themselves with it.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

(I do, to be honest, but only in so far as vaguely expecting women and men to have certain strengths and interests respective to gender)

@Life in Stasis

You know, I have an optimistic side. It may be hungry, lonely, and scared, having been locked away in the deepest, darkest, coldest region of my heart long ago, but nonetheless it's there, its heartbeat but a whisper in the dark.

The optimistic side of me wants to say that maybe this is what these people are looking for when they demand from their partners a particular shape to their fleshy protrusions. That they think males play male characters more plausibly than females do, and vice-versa, so really, they're just looking for the partners who can write their characters with as much accuracy to their respective genders as possible.

But this is the point where the realistic side rattles the cage and tells the optimistic side to cease its crazed rambling lest it won't get any bread and water for supper tonight.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@Mercenary Lord When you wrote something and thought it was really great at the time, but four months have passed and now it's fresh garbo. You either grudgingly tolerate its existence as something you wrote when you were less talented; or go to great lengths to expunge it from the internet, hoping no one will ever suffer it again because you don't want it to represent your current standing as an author.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

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Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

When you try to insinuate that I call characters Mary Sues just to spite their owners, you do more than just insult my intelligence and my honor. You also attempt to degrade the very standards to which writers hold themselves. After all, if anyone who calls anyone else's character a "Mary Sue" only does it to serve a grudge, then what else, I wonder, serves this grudge? When someone in the Advanced section says your spelling and grammar are inadequate for his RP, I suppose you can convince yourself that he only said it because he doesn't like you; because he wanted to drive you away from his thread, but was too cowardly to express that fact directly and suffer the social ramifications. And when you're booted from a game for foul behavior against other players, of course it'll be easy to blame them; they wanted you out, and it's impossible that you brought that punishment upon yourself. Clearly they only did it to hurt you.

Really, under this logic you could be the worst player on the Guild, literally the worst writer here, but because everyone else is secretly out to get you, you'll never find need to improve yourself through introspection. You'll never need to acknowledge your own faults and shortcomings because people are only pointing them out for the sake of bringing you to harm.

In other words, you want a way for writers to be immune to criticism, and that doesn't fly with me.

So I guess you're right. I'm "defensive" because you're making up lies about me, but I'm mostly invested in this exchange because your backwards arguments make far worse implications for the hobby as a whole.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

It sounds to me like you are being completely defensive over this.

@Sanctus Spooki

According to WordCounter your post is 639 words long, and 367 of them (57.43%) are in defense of how deep and engaging your character is despite matching my criteria for being a Mary Sue. Are you sure I'm the one who's getting defensive? I'm just arguing my points, and hopefully, rebuffing the idea that I'm a vindictive piece of shit just because I said something you dislike.