Rhona WRPCWhite said
Don't like the first part of the motto >.> like the last part though good attempt.
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Guys, I think I found the perfect motto for Avalon Squadron:
Ritterlich im Kriege, wachsam für den Frieden
(Chivalrous in War, Vigilant for Peace)
While its origins are in the Afrika Korps of the Second World War, I feel that it goes perfectly with Avalon being a King Arthur reference and knights playing a big role in Arthurian legends. Give it some thought, yeah?
Ritterlich im Kriege, wachsam für den Frieden
(Chivalrous in War, Vigilant for Peace)
While its origins are in the Afrika Korps of the Second World War, I feel that it goes perfectly with Avalon being a King Arthur reference and knights playing a big role in Arthurian legends. Give it some thought, yeah?
Done! Hopefully it's satisfactory, guys.
EDIT: Fleshed out the missile lists for missiles of different origins than the USA while waiting for a response to a PM I sent to our wonderful GM.
Character Sheet
Name: Natan “Nate” Winter ( נתן עטר in Hebrew) (né Nathan Attar (ناتان عطار in Persian))
Nickname/Callsign: Formerly Shkearchea (شکارچی, Persian for ‘hunter’), then Keydevn (כידון, Hebrew for ‘javelin’) then finally ‘Leopard’
Age: 34 (born the 7th of February 1984)
Nationality: Iranian, Israeli citizenship after service with the IDF
Appearance:
Bio:
Nathan Attar was born in Bushehr, the rundown former main port of Iran in 1985 to agnostic parents, a rarity in the Islamic Republic. His father worked at the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which had remain uncompleted since the 1979 Islamic Revolution and was later killed by an Iraqi air strike on the Plant in 1987 when Nathan was only three years old. It didn’t change much in Nathan’s life, as he barely ever saw his father and he never did remember him afterward. Following the two Gulf Wars, Nate was sent inland to Qom for education at the age of seven. However, two years later, news came of the ‘Heaven’ meteorite set to make planetfall in 1998. Nathan attempted to rush down south in 1997 to find his mother and family, but was blocked by authorities forbidding anyone from heading towards tsunami danger zones.
Desperate for a way to get rid of his anger stemming from this, Nathan turned towards the religion of his current girlfriend, an Armenian christian who had never been able to leave Iran for family reasons. A few years later, with his beliefs now firmly cemented in the gospel, he was dared by a friend to join the air force after the two of them watched Top Gun in an underground theater. With a grin on his face the entire time, Nathan got through training with no problems. In the post Heavenfall world, which had killed off his family living in Bushehr, the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force and Nathan by extension had no shortage of enemies and potential enemies.
Photo taken by wingman while taking off for a mission in his F-14A Tomcat in 2008
In the years that followed, Nathan fought a variety of enemies, from the excellent pilots of the Israel Defense Force to those of the sub-par Arab air forces. In 2010, he married his longtime girlfriend in an underground Christian wedding ceremony, which was kept only to his fiancée’s family and Nathan’s closest friends. This was kept secret due to the harsh political and religious changes that occurred in Iran following Heavenfall, which allowed radical islamists to seize power and making Christianity illegal in the country. However, to Nathan’s horror, the wedding was made known by an unknown individual and Nathan was set to be executed, along with his wife and their unborn child. Faced with no other option, Nathan reluctantly left his beloved and deserted in his F-14 to Israel, the closest UN member nation from his current base.
Nathan, shortly before takeoff in his F-16A “Netz” while in Israeli Air Force service.
Immediately, he was met with distrust by the Israelis and while he was given asylum in Tel Aviv, he would not be able to fly for another four years, when, in light of recent UNWO attacks on Israel, with air attacks led in particular by Iranian pilots. Due to his experience with Iranian tactics, Winter (the Hebrew translation of ‘Attar’) was allowed into service in the Israeli Air Force, though due to the remaining distrust, he would fly alone. Fighting in solitude against those who were once his comrades, he gained a reputation as an excellent pilot and a trustworthy man and after his first year of service, he was granted Israeli citizenship. Up until the current date, he has continued to fly for the Israeli Air Force, eventually being granted his F-14, upgraded and modified for single seat operations in 2016.
Natan, while feeling most at home in a plane ever since his defection, still enjoys a drink every now and again and has a great affection for action films. While not exactly a fan of reading long novels, he enjoys following the news worldwide. Despite his rough past, he tries to keep a good outlook on most things and keeps good lines with his fellow pilots, though he fears getting too close thanks to past experiences.
In terms of his religion, he still keeps his Christian faith, but after living in Israel for the last few years, he has come to respect and sometimes practice Jewish traditions, mostly out of admiration for the old values.
Service Record:
Natan first joined the IRIAF as soon as he was the good age and he aced training. Throughout numerous battles in his homeland and elsewhere, he became quite experienced with the tactics of other nation’s pilots and in the eight years that he served with the IRIAF, he had sixteen kills total, including his third battle when he became an ‘ace in a day’ when he made six kills against UN pilots.
Following his defection, he had a period of inactivity during which he went through and recovered from a depression before being put into service with the IDF, where he flew an F-16A for his first two years of service, before his F-14A, upgraded to the F-14D+ standard, was given back to him. He has been in the Israeli Air Force for the last four years and has made five kills in that time and aside from being a well-liked solo pilot, he also taught younger, less experienced pilots the tactics and ideas of enemy nation’s pilots, due to his deep familiarity with them.
Finally, in 2018, he was transferred along with another Israeli pilot, unknown to Nathan, to the Avalon Squadron under direct UNF jurisdiction. He hopes this will be an opportunity for him to see the world, let new people and missions take his mind off of old troubles and hopefully let bygones be bygones once and for all...
Aircraft Details
The Grumman F-14 Tomcat is a supersonic, twinjet, two-seat, variable-sweep wing fighter aircraft. The Tomcat was developed for the United States Navy's Naval Fighter Experimental (VFX) program following the collapse of the F-111B project. The F-14 was the first of the American teen-series fighters which were designed incorporating the experience of air combat against MiG fighters during the Vietnam War.
The F-14D+ flown by Natan is a huge step forward over his F-14A that he flew before, modernizing it to the F-14D standard along with some bonuses and room for further upgrades.
Name of Aircraft: F-14D+
Profile Link:
Wikipedia
Modifications:
The F-14A is already a very capable aircraft, so the D+ variation, modified from captured Iranian F-14A’s, is quite spartan when it comes to upgrades, not changing radically from the F-14D. Due to the low amount of time given to the D+ program, not much has changed in terms of the plane’s body and it still pales somewhat in comparison to the incredible ideas once proposed and subsequently shot down by Dick Cheney. Avalon does however promise upgrades in the form of the future once the ASF-14 Upgrade Package has been completed and pushed out to pilots. The upgrades made from the Iranian F-14A’s to bring it up to the F-14D standard with a few upgrades are as follows…
The infamous TF30 has been switched out for a General Electric F110, this time using a special derivative called the GE-432, a hybrid of the older GE-400 used on the F-14B and F-14D and the newer GE-132 fitted on F-16E/F Desert Falcon fighters, producing 144.6 kN of thrust with afterburners, creating better speed characteristics and supercruise capability at speeds of Mach 1.4. Thrust vectoring nozzles are being considered for the ASF-14 Upgrade Package.
An updated version of the ALR-67 Radar Homing and Warning (RHAW) system has been added, like the original F-14B.
Various upgrades were made to extend airframe life, like the Bombcat.
New digital avionics systems highly upgraded from the F-14D including a glass cockpit and replacing the AWG-9 radar with an AN/APG-71 radar with many upgrades made to eliminate the need to datalink with at least one more F-14D in order to operate the system at its maximum range (740 km instead of 370 km as was the limit on the original F-14D’s)
Airborne Self Protection Jammer (ASPJ), Joint Tactical Information Distribution System (JTIDS), SJU-17(V) Naval Aircrew Common Ejection Seats (NACES) and IRST pods have also been added.
The upgrade to the F-14D’s computer software to allow AIM-120 AMRAAM missile capability that was originally cancelled has also been brought through, along with a few other upgrades.
ROVER III support.
Along with a few upgrades stemming from the Tomcat Quick Strike concept…
A built in proprietary high-end navigation and targeting suite based on the USAF’s LANTIRN system was added. Where? We’ll get to that in a moment.
Upgraded ground attack and air-to-air modes for the APG-71 radar and the ability to carry AGM-84 SLAM, Harpoon Block II, AGM-88 HARM, AGM-65 Maverick and AGM-154 JSOW.
Upgrades to the radar including modes for synthetic aperture (SAR) and Doppler Beam Sharpening, allow for accurate ground mapping. This allows the radar to create high quality images of navigation waypoints and targets.
More attach points for weapons were added, and pylons were strengthened to carry heavier weapons.
Cockpit has been improved with the addition of a moving map display, a new HUD, compatible with infrared imagery from the FLIR, and head down FLIR displays.
Along with what could be considered the most radical upgrade…
The F-14D+ is now available as a single-seat plane, with the space once occupied by the WSO seat being used for avionics and the navigation and targeting suite. While the pilot’s cockpit hasn’t received many changes from the F-14D to the D+, there is also the equipment used by the WSO now featured in the front seat, but most of the original roles of the WSO are now automated, allowing for easy conversion from classic two seater F-14’s to the Avalon modifications.
Personal Colour Scheme:
Splinter camo based on IRIAF camo in subdued grey colors with UNF markings with positions and other parts based on US Navy markings.
The kill marks are as follows (Nate kept the marks from his IRIAF service even while in Israel, making for many a bewildered look when looking at his marks):
3x Iraqi Air Force
6x Israeli Air Force
7x Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
1x Royal Saudi Air Force
2x United Arab Emirates Air Force
2x United States Air Force
1x Russian Air Force
Weapon Systems:
Internal cannon:
Single 20 mm M61A2 with 675 rounds
Ten hardpoints (6 under fuselage, 2 under nacelles and 2 on wing gloves) for the following weapons and equipment:
AIM-9 Sidewinder, ASRAMM (AIM-32), IRIS-T, MAA-1 Piranha, R.550 Magic, Shafrir/Python, R-73 or Fatter short-range air-to-air missiles.
AIM-7 Sparrow or Super 530 medium-range SAAMs
AIM-120 AMRAAM, AAM-4, Derby, R-27, R-77, MICA or TC-2 Sky Sword II medium-range active radar air-to-air missiles
AIM-54 Phoenix or R-33 long-range air-to-air missiles
AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-114 Hellfire or Kh-29 air-to-surface missiles
AGM-84 SLAM & SLAM-ER long-range precision cruise missile
AGM-88 HARM, ALARM or MAR-1 air-to-surface anti-radiation missiles
AGM-84 Harpoon, Exocet, Sea Eagle, RBS-15, Kh-35 and Type 90 anti-ship missiles
AGM-154 JSOW glide bomb
AGM-158 JASSM, Storm Shadow or KEPD 350 cruise missiles
JDAM, HGK, Spice or SMKB GPS-guided bombs
Paveway-series LGB
Mark 80 series GPB
CBU cluster bomb units (guided and unguided)
2x 267 US gal (1,010 l; 222 imp gal) drop tanks for extended range/loitering time
Tactical Airborne Reconnaissance Pod System (TARPS) or similar RECCE pods
Single AACMI Pod for training
EDIT: Fleshed out the missile lists for missiles of different origins than the USA while waiting for a response to a PM I sent to our wonderful GM.
Character Sheet
Name: Natan “Nate” Winter ( נתן עטר in Hebrew) (né Nathan Attar (ناتان عطار in Persian))
Nickname/Callsign: Formerly Shkearchea (شکارچی, Persian for ‘hunter’), then Keydevn (כידון, Hebrew for ‘javelin’) then finally ‘Leopard’
Age: 34 (born the 7th of February 1984)
Nationality: Iranian, Israeli citizenship after service with the IDF
Appearance:
Bio:
Nathan Attar was born in Bushehr, the rundown former main port of Iran in 1985 to agnostic parents, a rarity in the Islamic Republic. His father worked at the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, which had remain uncompleted since the 1979 Islamic Revolution and was later killed by an Iraqi air strike on the Plant in 1987 when Nathan was only three years old. It didn’t change much in Nathan’s life, as he barely ever saw his father and he never did remember him afterward. Following the two Gulf Wars, Nate was sent inland to Qom for education at the age of seven. However, two years later, news came of the ‘Heaven’ meteorite set to make planetfall in 1998. Nathan attempted to rush down south in 1997 to find his mother and family, but was blocked by authorities forbidding anyone from heading towards tsunami danger zones.
Desperate for a way to get rid of his anger stemming from this, Nathan turned towards the religion of his current girlfriend, an Armenian christian who had never been able to leave Iran for family reasons. A few years later, with his beliefs now firmly cemented in the gospel, he was dared by a friend to join the air force after the two of them watched Top Gun in an underground theater. With a grin on his face the entire time, Nathan got through training with no problems. In the post Heavenfall world, which had killed off his family living in Bushehr, the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force and Nathan by extension had no shortage of enemies and potential enemies.
In the years that followed, Nathan fought a variety of enemies, from the excellent pilots of the Israel Defense Force to those of the sub-par Arab air forces. In 2010, he married his longtime girlfriend in an underground Christian wedding ceremony, which was kept only to his fiancée’s family and Nathan’s closest friends. This was kept secret due to the harsh political and religious changes that occurred in Iran following Heavenfall, which allowed radical islamists to seize power and making Christianity illegal in the country. However, to Nathan’s horror, the wedding was made known by an unknown individual and Nathan was set to be executed, along with his wife and their unborn child. Faced with no other option, Nathan reluctantly left his beloved and deserted in his F-14 to Israel, the closest UN member nation from his current base.
Nathan, shortly before takeoff in his F-16A “Netz” while in Israeli Air Force service.
Immediately, he was met with distrust by the Israelis and while he was given asylum in Tel Aviv, he would not be able to fly for another four years, when, in light of recent UNWO attacks on Israel, with air attacks led in particular by Iranian pilots. Due to his experience with Iranian tactics, Winter (the Hebrew translation of ‘Attar’) was allowed into service in the Israeli Air Force, though due to the remaining distrust, he would fly alone. Fighting in solitude against those who were once his comrades, he gained a reputation as an excellent pilot and a trustworthy man and after his first year of service, he was granted Israeli citizenship. Up until the current date, he has continued to fly for the Israeli Air Force, eventually being granted his F-14, upgraded and modified for single seat operations in 2016.
Natan, while feeling most at home in a plane ever since his defection, still enjoys a drink every now and again and has a great affection for action films. While not exactly a fan of reading long novels, he enjoys following the news worldwide. Despite his rough past, he tries to keep a good outlook on most things and keeps good lines with his fellow pilots, though he fears getting too close thanks to past experiences.
In terms of his religion, he still keeps his Christian faith, but after living in Israel for the last few years, he has come to respect and sometimes practice Jewish traditions, mostly out of admiration for the old values.
Service Record:
Natan first joined the IRIAF as soon as he was the good age and he aced training. Throughout numerous battles in his homeland and elsewhere, he became quite experienced with the tactics of other nation’s pilots and in the eight years that he served with the IRIAF, he had sixteen kills total, including his third battle when he became an ‘ace in a day’ when he made six kills against UN pilots.
Following his defection, he had a period of inactivity during which he went through and recovered from a depression before being put into service with the IDF, where he flew an F-16A for his first two years of service, before his F-14A, upgraded to the F-14D+ standard, was given back to him. He has been in the Israeli Air Force for the last four years and has made five kills in that time and aside from being a well-liked solo pilot, he also taught younger, less experienced pilots the tactics and ideas of enemy nation’s pilots, due to his deep familiarity with them.
Finally, in 2018, he was transferred along with another Israeli pilot, unknown to Nathan, to the Avalon Squadron under direct UNF jurisdiction. He hopes this will be an opportunity for him to see the world, let new people and missions take his mind off of old troubles and hopefully let bygones be bygones once and for all...
Aircraft Details
The Grumman F-14 Tomcat is a supersonic, twinjet, two-seat, variable-sweep wing fighter aircraft. The Tomcat was developed for the United States Navy's Naval Fighter Experimental (VFX) program following the collapse of the F-111B project. The F-14 was the first of the American teen-series fighters which were designed incorporating the experience of air combat against MiG fighters during the Vietnam War.
The F-14D+ flown by Natan is a huge step forward over his F-14A that he flew before, modernizing it to the F-14D standard along with some bonuses and room for further upgrades.
Name of Aircraft: F-14D+
Profile Link:
Wikipedia
Modifications:
The F-14A is already a very capable aircraft, so the D+ variation, modified from captured Iranian F-14A’s, is quite spartan when it comes to upgrades, not changing radically from the F-14D. Due to the low amount of time given to the D+ program, not much has changed in terms of the plane’s body and it still pales somewhat in comparison to the incredible ideas once proposed and subsequently shot down by Dick Cheney. Avalon does however promise upgrades in the form of the future once the ASF-14 Upgrade Package has been completed and pushed out to pilots. The upgrades made from the Iranian F-14A’s to bring it up to the F-14D standard with a few upgrades are as follows…
Along with a few upgrades stemming from the Tomcat Quick Strike concept…
Along with what could be considered the most radical upgrade…
Personal Colour Scheme:
Splinter camo based on IRIAF camo in subdued grey colors with UNF markings with positions and other parts based on US Navy markings.
The kill marks are as follows (Nate kept the marks from his IRIAF service even while in Israel, making for many a bewildered look when looking at his marks):
Weapon Systems:
Internal cannon:
Single 20 mm M61A2 with 675 rounds
Ten hardpoints (6 under fuselage, 2 under nacelles and 2 on wing gloves) for the following weapons and equipment:
Slypheed said
I kind of have a right to post a .gif as I do more than just post .gifs o 3o
True, true.
Hope you cheer up soon. Bad moods are bad.
Also, witness how bad my writing gets past midnight.
Slypheed said
-gif snip-
Oh the irony.
Dude, I hate to sound like a prick, but why even post if it's just to post useless .gifs?
Driving Park said
The easiest way to fix it would just be to remove the 29. :P
While that is very radical, I may have to agree...
Maybe we can have a cut-off date for planes? And besides, the whole idea is that even older planes can be modified to make them not only up to date but also make them multirole, so the MiG-29 isn't the only multirole that is possible. Even the A-4 can be made multirole, like Brazil has done with theirs, making them fourth-generation fighters comparable to the F-16 (I can scan the article about this from Combat Aviation Monthly if anyone wants).
The Draken was flown by four different air forces, so you have up to four nationalities you can choose from.
Remember, the story is about the character, not the plane. Just look at games like Ace Combat; if we take the canon plane of the Razgriz, for example, their F-5E's and F-14A's pale in comparison to many of the things they face, but they become feared as some of the greatest pilots in their world nonetheless. A man becomes an ace because of their own skills, not their plane. Ever heard of the Rafale that "shot down" the apparently superior F-22 in a training exercise and the same for the Typhoon's (even though the broke ROE, but we'll forget about that for a moment)? That's a great pilot, not because of his plane, but because of the pilot.
Remember, the story is about the character, not the plane. Just look at games like Ace Combat; if we take the canon plane of the Razgriz, for example, their F-5E's and F-14A's pale in comparison to many of the things they face, but they become feared as some of the greatest pilots in their world nonetheless. A man becomes an ace because of their own skills, not their plane. Ever heard of the Rafale that "shot down" the apparently superior F-22 in a training exercise and the same for the Typhoon's (even though the broke ROE, but we'll forget about that for a moment)? That's a great pilot, not because of his plane, but because of the pilot.
I have no problem with people flying the MiG-29 as it is a great aircraft, but there is something that bugs me about it in this RP.
The thing that is bothering me about the MiG-29 is that a lot of the characters flying it in this RP just don't make sense to me. Let's take a look at all the submitted characters, their nationalities and chosen planes;
-Ariella Yosef makes perfect sense, as she is in the IAF and the Kfir is Iraeli.
-Vlad makes sense, as he is a Russian and the MiG-29 is a Soviet/Russian plane and he would thus have the possibility of training in it.
-Mathew Tailor makes sense in a way, as he flew with the RAF for a period of time.
-While I am a huge fan of the Balalaika, a French Canadian/Swiss pilot flying it doesn't make much sense in my eyes, as neither of those nations fly the MiG-21 and if he flew a F-16 and a Harrier, both western, more modern designs, why would he be suddenly downgraded to a Fishbed?
-The Tessaros could potentially make sense as the F-111 is a western design and they're Italian and in the end Italy doesn't have many 3rd or 4th generation aircraft and they've flown for the longest time with the UNF, so I let it slide in my mind.
-My own character, Nathan Attar, does have a correct aircraft for his nationality, as the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) has flown the plane for many years and a modified plane wouldn't be out of the question if he deserted.
-Rose flying a Harrier and is a Brit, so nothing to say there.
-Indonesia flies a few F-5's, so the F-20 wouldn't be out of the question at all.
-Now here's where I am primarily quite bothered, and I mean no offense to RPC at all, but why would two USAF pilots fly the Russian MiG-29? It just doesn't have any background regarding why American pilots would be flying an ex-Soviet plane either.
-I was initially going to complain about Ohira, but then I read the bio and it is explained why she flies the MiG-25, so I'm pretty much fine with it.
-Everett has apparently flown with other MiG-29 pilots so it seems alright, and Slovakia flies the MiG-29, so all is good there.
It's for these reasons why I think there should definitely be the F-16 as an option, particularly for those who's origins would go better with it. We have the MiG-29 and the F-14 as options and the F-16 was produced in huge amounts so I think it would be alright if we had the plane.
And to add to this, it's practically the same problem you mentioned here, Silver;
And instead of F-22's and Flankers, we have a bunch of MiG's and reluctant pilots of anything else...
Just my two cents though.
The thing that is bothering me about the MiG-29 is that a lot of the characters flying it in this RP just don't make sense to me. Let's take a look at all the submitted characters, their nationalities and chosen planes;
-Ariella Yosef makes perfect sense, as she is in the IAF and the Kfir is Iraeli.
-Vlad makes sense, as he is a Russian and the MiG-29 is a Soviet/Russian plane and he would thus have the possibility of training in it.
-Mathew Tailor makes sense in a way, as he flew with the RAF for a period of time.
-While I am a huge fan of the Balalaika, a French Canadian/Swiss pilot flying it doesn't make much sense in my eyes, as neither of those nations fly the MiG-21 and if he flew a F-16 and a Harrier, both western, more modern designs, why would he be suddenly downgraded to a Fishbed?
-The Tessaros could potentially make sense as the F-111 is a western design and they're Italian and in the end Italy doesn't have many 3rd or 4th generation aircraft and they've flown for the longest time with the UNF, so I let it slide in my mind.
-My own character, Nathan Attar, does have a correct aircraft for his nationality, as the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) has flown the plane for many years and a modified plane wouldn't be out of the question if he deserted.
-Rose flying a Harrier and is a Brit, so nothing to say there.
-Indonesia flies a few F-5's, so the F-20 wouldn't be out of the question at all.
-Now here's where I am primarily quite bothered, and I mean no offense to RPC at all, but why would two USAF pilots fly the Russian MiG-29? It just doesn't have any background regarding why American pilots would be flying an ex-Soviet plane either.
-I was initially going to complain about Ohira, but then I read the bio and it is explained why she flies the MiG-25, so I'm pretty much fine with it.
-Everett has apparently flown with other MiG-29 pilots so it seems alright, and Slovakia flies the MiG-29, so all is good there.
It's for these reasons why I think there should definitely be the F-16 as an option, particularly for those who's origins would go better with it. We have the MiG-29 and the F-14 as options and the F-16 was produced in huge amounts so I think it would be alright if we had the plane.
And to add to this, it's practically the same problem you mentioned here, Silver;
Silverwind Blade said Hey, Blade! Where's My F-22/Flanker/T-50/JSF/etc?!
While they are all very cool aircraft, I'm deliberately avoiding allowing players to use any of the most modern aircraft - only the aircraft from the OP on the OOC thread are available for beginning players. You may well get the chance to upgrade to something more modern down the line, but it's part of the storyline and background that more modern aircraft are currently out of reach, and older aircraft with modifications to make them more competitive are where we're starting out.
I mainly did this to avoid the 'same old aircraft' being picked - when I've tried to run other games like this, I've just ended up with a handful of F-22's, Flanker variants, and a couple of reluctant F-15 or -16 pilots, rather than anything imaginative, different or exciting (and then inevitable tremendous flame-wars about which is 'better' the F-22 or the T-50 or Flanker family).
I was kind of hoping to inspire a bit of interest in something different, rather than just seeing the same things wheeled out again and again, and to make people consider and look at some of the 'older' generations of aircraft with a new eye for appreciation of what they could do, given a bit of modern technology injected into them.
And instead of F-22's and Flankers, we have a bunch of MiG's and reluctant pilots of anything else...
Just my two cents though.
MiG-29 dominance much? My little Kitty's gonna feel like the odd one out!
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