Sable

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Doivid said
Of fuckin course you would.

why don't you like me doivid-senpai

Zoe Quinn.

Dipper said
Please forgive my lack of coherence. 25 hours since I last slept, and I won't be able to sleep for 11 more hours. Don't be an asshole.I am interested in what you have to say, but "lol you guys think games are art" is something I hear constantly. Forgive me for being sick of that.That's two questions, math obviously isn't your strong suit I see, but fear not, I'll answer both.I want video games to be considered art so that the government won't be able to regulate it. The industry would have more freedom, and thusly be able to create higher quality games.Let me ask you two questions. Why do you want video games to not be considered art? What does the industry have to loose from it being considered an artform?

I'm not going to be able to convince you of anything, so I'm going to give you a suggestion. You might wind up agreeing with me.

Film and video games are actually very similar with regard to this art thing. The vast majority of both are not art. There is a niche market for artistic products in each.

I posit that video games as artwork would be similar to film as artwork. Art house video games, if you will. You seem to be under the impression that video games as art is an all or nothing deal, which it's not. Not all movies are art films, not all books are literature, and no matter how badly you want it, Mass Effect will never be labeled as art because art is not a label you can slap on to something. I could try to explain why this is and what makes art what it is, but that would take a very long time and I would be restating something that's been explained elsewhere by more eloquent and informed people. If you want a detailed analysis of this, Roger Ebert, Hideo Kojima, Michael Samyn, Aureia Harvey, and others have spoken and written about the issues of video games as art in great detail. I suggest reading them.

Back to the suggestion, art house video games will have certain definable traits, likely similar to art house films.

So watch The Tree of Life. Watch Melancholia. Watch Punch-Drunk Love and a dozen Werner Herzog films and then come back here and tell me that you want a video experience similar to those films. I guarantee that if video games were predominantly artistic you wouldn't be playing video games.

"But Sable, artistic video games won't necessarily be like that."

Bullshit, I'd reply, because every single person in this thread can name an art house video game made by one Zoe fucking Quinn. Yeah, Depression Quest is art. Shitty art. Christ-upside-down-in-a-jar-of-piss level art, but it's an art house video game and it fucking blows.

As for more freedoms for the industry, you're pulling that out of your misinformed ass. As far as you understand it, I think, film is considered art and yet still heavily regulated through the law. Video games will be no different.

TL;DR: Video games are a medium for artistic expression, but the closer you get to video games being artwork the worse, less popular, and less marketable they'll get, because no one wants to play Melancholia: The Video Game. I'll take my popcorn entertainment Grand Theft Auto V over that shit any day if the week, because it is popcorn entertainment, and that's not a bad thing. It might just be the best part about video games.

WELL

Kaga said

What the fuck is this color scheme sorcery.

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Cpt Toellner said
I forget about Bunnay

I wish I could.

Zoe Quinn.

Dipper said
Spam is that way, Sable. You really gotta work on trolling harder. People can have differing opinions than you. Art is art.And you are right. ME isn't Citizen Kain of gaming, Dwarf Fortress is.

Coherence isn't really your strong suit, I see, but fear not, I'll push on.

You're clearly not interested in hearing what I have to say, but I find that people are very big on what they have to say. Nothing like hearing your own voice.

So let me ask you a question. Why do you want video games to be considered art? What does the industry gain from it?

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Azarthes said
No you fucking don't Go away

I really do.

The only people I really think we're better off without are Ocean Eyes/Wulffe, or whatever his real username was, and Bunnay.

Edit: Also Warman, but that leather jacket he bought was fucking gold.

Zoe Quinn.

Dipper said
They are as much art as movies are. I'd say the mass effect trilogy is as much art as Citizen Kain was. (At least until the last five minutes of ME3). When movies were new, they were not considered art. When photography was new, it was not considered art. Video Games are new, the old guard of art does not see it as art.... Yet.

Mass Effect is on the same level as Citizen Kane. Really.

You've either never watched Citizen Kane before, or you have a very weird understanding of what makes something art.

Edit: On top of that, the vast majority of film is not art. Art house film is a niche in the industry. Mass Effect is the Avengers of video gaming, not the Melancholia or Punch-Drunk Love.

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KarneeKarnay said
Feels very PC of late. Though I've been away for more than a few years, so this could have been gradually happening for years.

I for one long for the return of TheMammoth and Code Guru.

My roommate: Let's call her "Henry"

Kaga said
"Well, you know, sometimes people get bored, and they think, 'Hey, maybe I can stick this in my mouth! Or someplace else!' Basically what I'm saying is, when you buy something at an antique store, you don't know what it's been through."^ Words of wisdom from Henry.

She sounds like she'd stick an antique in her mouth. Or somewhere else.

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