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@BCTheEntity I have thought over the absorption ability. Specifically, I did not give the race the ability since it seemed so broken. However, I have had an idea about making it work. Rather than permanently absorbing a character, you absorb them and spit them out, but temporarily obtain their techniques and abilities, in a Rogue-esque fashion. Though I would say no boost in actual terms of power.

@Halvtand I did say only one level 3 technique, I am approving the Namekian you created with two level 3 techniques simply because the character is technically two people that could each have had a level 3 technique. I will look over the android later, though I do like the initial idea of a fusion based line of androids. I will also say that no one in this game will be reaching anywhere near Super Saiyan God's level of power, though the potential may be left there so that other androids could be made with the ability.

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@BCTheEntity I say go for it if you want, I would be ecstatic if everyone had multiple characters spanning the different races.

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@BCTheEntity Consistently tired. I've always seen the Arcosian True Forms as a release, when in it you have access to all of your power. However, much like the Super Saiyan transformations which leak energy, so does the True From, just not on such a scale that it is entirely visible in a constant aura. Thus the lower forms are actually used to conserve that energy and sort of seal that leak. I have been thinking that there is a Super Form beyond the True Form, where the leak is sealed and the Arcosian has access to all of their power, which is also boosted, and this is what Cooler achieved. The precursor to reaching this form may be controlling the True Form, but for the moment expect that starting out no Arcosian will have the 'leak' in True Form completely sealed.

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@BCTheEntity I don't really have an issue with it, it is pretty much what Shiver has done, but staying in the True Form for extended periods will still be very taxing on the Arcosian's body.

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Well, fair enough. All I'm saying is, maybe the Super transformation for Arcosians is derived from exceptional ki control allowing them to remain in their True form permanently, using Cooler as a precedent for such

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and ignoring the Divine-tier Ultimate Evolution that's presumably only available to naturally ultra-powerful Arcosian mutants such as Frieza

; in such a situation, the number of forms they have to downgrade and control their ki output is irrelevant, as is the amount of ki itself (assuming the Super form's base power is a multiplier of the True form's base power). With that in mind, if such a character couldn't start with a Super transformation, would they in theory be allowed to discover or otherwise unlock it at some point during the game? That goes for a PC of any race with no current transformations, mind, not just the Arcosians.

@BCTheEntity

I am fully open to other races discovering or unlocking Super transformations throughout the course of this game, but starting out, it should be assumed that only Saiyans have a Super transformation they can achieve and utilize.

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3. I mean... Frieza's family line did all have at least four forms (assuming Cold was similar to his sons), but the extra forms were apparently additional downgrades to their true forms, such that (using Final Hours' terminology) they'd end up having the Diplomatic form, two Combat forms, and their True form, with only Cooler having the skill to remain in his True form at all times, and only Cooler having the ability to transform up from their True form until Frieza basically BSed his way into acquiring his Ultimate Evolution, though even then, the latter remained in his Diplomatic form until he actually needed to transform up. Basically, there's a certain precedent for an Arcosian being able to transform up from their True form if they succeed in controlling their True form's power, and considering that all it would realistically represent is a power increase (albeit a potentially large one depending on the owner), I don't necessarily see why it wouldn't be viable to include a Super transformation as part of a particular Arcosian character's arsenal.

@BCTheEntity

I'm not saying it is entirely impossible for Arcosians outside of Frieza's line to gain additional forms, only that there has been no need for them. No Arcosian in history has ever come anywhere close to the power of Frieza's line, as such none of their bodies has ever exhibited a need for more than three transformations. A byproduct of this is the belief that only Frieza's line can create new forms. Also, a Super transformation is theoretically possible for the Arcosian's, much like it is theoretically possible for Humans and Namekians, but no Arcosian has ever attained such. Until recently the only form of training they have practiced as a species is to control their power, through downgraded forms or controlling their Ki.

(P.S. I still need to see the Resurrection of F, never got a chance to watch it while it was in theaters. :( )

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Halvtand's Question About Androids

This leads me to another question about androids.
When the Z-fighters are fighting the androids in DBZ we are told that they do not emit any sort of ki-signal, not until they make an attack that is, which allowed Dr. Gero to escape almost the entire main cast, and allowed Android 18 to stay hidden from Cell even though he was pretty much right above both her and 16.
Will it be the same in this game? Or have someone figured out that Androids emitting ki-signals might be a tad easier to track if they go on a rampage?

@Halvtand

Androids still do not emit Ki-signals and can not be tracked by fighters trying to sense Ki. However, they do emit energy signals, which can be read by both the current generation of Scouters and the Energy Sensing of Androids. Both of these though require a close proximity to use.

BCTheEntity's Questions About Arcosians

@Thess: Cool. So I take it yourself and @Bartok will be controlling Glacial and Glacier as relatively important characters in the tournament, then? Also, I had an idea for an Arcosian character that I may or may not use: the son of one of the Arcosian lords who, due to his position in life, decides he shouldn't have to go through the hoops of transformation that his lessers do, instead pulling a Cooler and managing to gain precise control over his power level so that he never has to transform down from his true form, in the process unlocking a super transformation of some sort for himself. Would you consider that a good idea in this case?

Incidentally, since we're on the topic of Arcosians, a sexually-reproducing race with only a tiny population is not great for genetic diversity, especially when they're not only divided into four separate sub-populations across the planet, but also between those of mixed and unmixed ethnicities within each sub-population, the latter group (as the relative proletariat in this situation) presumably at least somewhat larger than the former in all cases. I presume some degree of gene randomisation is present in the larval sacs to offset this risk, but having said that, I'm actually curious as to how large each clan is, given a total racial population of just 100 or so. How many Arcosians count as being part of each "Pure" blood group? How many have mixed blood within each mountain, and to what degree have they mixed? On a similar note, do different clans go by different naming schemes, e.g. fire-themed names within the Red Clan where Blue uses ice-themed names? What are their respective cultures like, if they are indeed significantly different from one another? And so on.

@BCTheEntity

Well, the twins want to be important characters in the tournament, but how and what they will do remains to be seen. I have no problem with Arcosians staying in their True Form for long periods of time, Lord Shiver will do this, though he will be referring to it as his King Form in an effort to make his race think he has four transformations. It still is quite physically exhausting, enough that when Shiver finds himself in trusted company or is in his home, he transforms down to his Diplomatic Form. However, the ability to create new forms I am going to deny, as that is supposed to be part of the mutation that made Frieza's line so powerful.

The genetic diversity of the race is not so much randomized during the larval period, as changing to different forms actually changes the DNA of each Arcosian and thus mating in different forms leads to more diversity. The one hundred population count is only counting the Purebloods, leaving roughly give or take a few, twenty-five for each mountain. The Mixed Bloods actually outnumber them entirely but are individually much weaker and considered second class citizens by the Purebloods. The cultures in the mountains do not really differ from each other, as the initial culture they had was simply to war between the clans and everything they did was focused on this. Once the other mountains were subjugated beneath the Blue clan, what few differences they may have had, such as different naming conventions were seemingly lost in time.

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Luceptor is accepted, I like the character a lot. I added my Glacial character sheet tonight and hope to get most of Pride's character Sheet done tonight, finish it by tomorrow. I'll start putting together the opening post over the week and get it up by Thursday.

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Sorry, I have been all sorts of busy lately. What extra time I have had has been spent on trying to finish my own characters. Also, I have been trying to wait for the rest that had expressed interest in this game before starting. I will look over your sheet some time tonight @BCTheEntity later today or tonight. I can say initially we will be starting out with pretty much just enough time for all interested characters to get to the tournament. I want to start the game this week, I get Thursday off, so I can probably get the opening post up that day.

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Well, energy sensing in general, everyone trained to fight can sort of do, but just the very basics like telling that someone is a lot stronger or weaker. However energy sensing to figure out a more exact level of power or where a power is, like say what is required to use Instant Transmission when you have never been to the destination, is a trained ability. Therefore the former type would be Level 1 and the later Level 2. Utility based techniques are still techniques after all, not attacks but techniques.

I am intrigued by the idea of eating the flesh of your enemies to regrow your own, and/or perhaps even eating the flesh of others that have features you like and want to acquire. I think it is a great power for Envy, I personally see Deceit more as a master of illusions. I have to agree that using it for regeneration would still use up a fair amount of stamina, but would be more instantaneous and therefore more viable in battle.

Lastly, just some food for thought when designing the character, while the Arcosians are beings born really powerful and have never thought of training to get stronger, the Makaioshins are levels beyond that. They are gods of a realm of vicious demons, they have never had an equal (save for each other) and long ago grew bored with their realm. Ever since they have watched the mortal realm through their pool of fire and now are given a chance to be the director of that show they have been watching for so long. So now they are trying to each spread their own brand of evil in an entertaining way, both to themselves and to whatever servants may still be watching that pool of fire.