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Every time I insult a certain coworker, i'll take money from their jar. Saving for beer would never be easier!
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And I really, really don't think Trump is going to go against the establishment on trade, interventionism, or any of the issues affecting the working class. That's like expecting Obama to have done the same after he got elected.


It was announced that TPP is dead, and he isn't in office. He might claim it though.
Meme magic finally wears off and things become boring again


You say that now, but I think it'll be the other way. The Democrats will realize the only man who can defeat Donald Trump in the electoral vote will be Ken Bone. He will run on a "Energy policy to meet our energy needs while at the same time remaining environmentally friendly and minimizing job layoffs" platform. It'll be brilliant.

I mean, Trump himself ran on "I will build a wall" and Hillary ran on "Donald Trump is a meanie" and Sanders ran on "The Billionaires are fucking up your shit." Platforms don't have to be complicated. Neither do candidates anymore.
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I think you can hardly call the revolution in Russia a fully realized communist undertaking. And I think it's a structure vs. superstructure issue. When you change the structure of a polity but not the superstructure, you'll find it's not very sustainable.


Eh, it could be called an attempt. It just relied too much on the idea of the vanguard party. Personally I think the problem with Marxism has always been the obsession with purity, and that obsession with purity both blinded the Soviets to what they were actually doing and led them to squash the communist parts of their society rather quickly because they weren't following the correct pattern. You know, "Hey Communes, I see you are doing okay and all, but it's not time for that yet! Didn't you read the book? You're on the wrong step!"

And the entire "Marxism is inevitable" thing blinded them to the reality that their government was becoming another corrupt power structure. No, Khrushchev didn't betray the revolution, he was inevitable the moment Lenin said "We need a strong state"

Not that I'm well versed, but the way I see it, the problem with anarchy is a lack of infrastructure. It's unsustainable on the large scale. You can have a town or a city be anarchist, but at the level of a state or country it starts to fall apart - at least in the modern day, with modern requirements such as internet, power grids, decently quick long-distance travel, and so on and so forth.

You need co-operation on a huge scale in order to maintain these things, and that's extremely difficult in an anarchist society. Indeed, that's sort of why we ended up forming democracies in the first place. So unless you're going to massively technologically downgrade your life, anarchy is somewhat untenable.

(As I said, I'm not well-versed in this, so if anyone wants to correct me please do <3)


Well like I said before, Anarchism is basically super-democracy. The difference between Anarchy and something like Athenian democracy is that Anarchists are really just democratizing everything instead of, as most traditional democracies do, democratizing policy and the right to chose a leader. In the traditional Anarchism that was popular in the 20th century, practiced in Spain during their Civil War and an important component of the old American far left, what we call "Anarcho-Syndicalism", amounted to the communes seizing the means of production and turning a democratic workplace into the building block of the society, so that instead of chaos, you end up with an organization that looked like this.



And this isn't just theory; it's been tried before, and Anarcho-Syndicalism had a pretty good run. During the Spanish Civil War, when the Fascists rose up against the Spanish Republican, the Republican government crumpled and became ineffective under the pressure, and it was the Anarchists that picked up the slack. And they did really damned well considering Stalin essentially stabbed them in the back trying to make Spain Stalinist, and that Hitler and Mussolini funded and armed the shit out of Franco while the western democracies left the Spanish Republic twisting in the wind. It did turn out that Anarchists struggle with military coordination though, which seems to be the Achilles heel of most Anarchist movements, and turned their battles into messy affairs. If I remember right they did okay in the beginning when the Fascists were using outdated rifles and had no modern weapons, and they continued to do alright against Mussolini, though that's not much of an accomplishment since most people tended to do alright against Mussolini.

But there is more to the movement too, because unbeknownst to most people we actually have another major Anarchist experiment going on right now. The Kurds in Northern Syria have adopted an Anarchist form of government. Not Anarchy-Syndicalism, but another that is more heavily influenced by democracy than communism. I don't know nearly enough about Democratic Confederalism, but from what I know they've built their system on the village and the locality rather than the work place, and that they are unique among the far left in that, instead of immediately seizing the means of production, they've placed property rights under control of the communes. This is to say that you can own private capital and be a capitalist so long as your community sees it as beneficial, but the moment the community decides private capital is against the interests of the community, they can simply vote to seize it and the capitalists have no recourse.

There system looks like this, incidentally.



So anyway, in short, Anarchists aren't about destroying the power structure and just sitting back to see what happens. There is a plan there. It's more or less based on the theory that authority sucks energy from a community rather than directing or adding it. An Anarchist would say the problem with voter turnout in modern Republics isn't apathy, but alienation, that people don't vote because they feel their vote is irrelevant, that they can't change their lives for the better against the authority structures of their society. Essentially, they idea is that we all want to participate to improve our own world and the world around us, but that we all more or less feel locked out of the process and so we just... don't participate. If you believe the reason that Democracies fair better against Leninists and Fascists is that those authoritarians kill civic engagement and make their people apathetic, wheres Democracies at least coax out some level of civic energy, then Anarchism may be something worth looking into.

I do also feel the need to say that, despite the fact they make fun of the Anarchist movements above for being impractical, the Anarcho-Capitalist movement has only had one serious experiment and it was a total clusterfuck. So don't mind the An-Caps, they get the trophy for most incompetent political philosophy in western history.
Sorry being a little lazy. I'll get to it soon here, i super promise.
It's kind of like if JFK decided to shoot for the red planet instead of the moon.
For personal gains? Okay.

I would require the British to give me all their stuff.
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The Simpsons made their Trump episode after Trump already announced he was going to run. It wasn't a "wow the Simpsons predicted it" thing, though people tried to make that a meme.

But let's be honest here: Trump is famous for far more than his time on Celebrity Apprentice. He was practically the king of NYC in the last couple decades of the 20th century. He was invited to numerous talk shows to explain business, economics, and success. He was getting along with the common man long before he was ever running for President. He's been a household name since the 70's. The only people who see him as a punchline are people who don't know his history outside of the media narrative.


I am aware that he isn't simply his public persona, but the reality is that he was primarily known as his public persona. The "Guy from the Apprentice" narrative wasn't sewn from whole cloth in the last fifteen months by the media to smear a guy who had previously been seen as an Alan Greenspan type figure.

You go back six years ago when we didn't consider him a mostly political figure and you'd find people looking at him as that guy who builds flashy casinos with his name on it and yells at Gary Busey on television. Imma assume that most people haven't exactly read his book, for instance.

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What I meant regarding the collision of cultures was that people allowed for too much interconnection between races/ethnicities which resulted in a society where none of the participants can be truly happy.

While it may be true that culture itself changes, it should change naturally in an attempt to serve it's people. Culture is a representation of a certain racial/ethnic identity. As soon as the identity outpaces the culture or vice versa, there begins a stagnation and decline in society. You see this with the Roman Empire, where it eventually became flooded with individuals who were decidedly not Roman and did not conform to the practices of the Romans to such an extent where it preserved peace.

To say that a people and their values can be so malleable that they should not be preserved is a dangerous path to tread.


Well, first and foremost I think your reading of the situation between races isn't quite true. There are still racial divides in this country this is true, but it doesn't tell the whole story. I live in a pretty mixed working class area and, everyone here being part of the same regional class culture, we get along pretty damned naturally despite race. If I drive downtown into the ghetto, or conversely if a black neighbor or co-worker went to a small town in the hills, then yeh, there is problems. But speaking of the part of the city I live in, I have more in common with a black neighbor than I do with a white man from Beverly Hills.

And I agree, cultures should be allowed to change naturally. That's kind of what I am saying actually. What I have just described is my natural cultural condition, but your theory seems to assume it is invalid and that I and my neighbors need to be artificially segregated so that I experience my culture more in line with your idea with what it should be than what it actually is. Which is to say simply that I find your concept too bizarre and rigid to ever allow me or those around me to experience culture naturally. There would have to be a culture Gestapo around telling me what Didgeridont requires my culture to be. Historically some regimes have tried it, and historically it doesn't work. The Soviets tried to enforce a culture and the people rejected it a few generations later. Franco attempted the same thing in Spain and the people rejected it only a couple of generations later. Culture is a moving thing, and if you put it behind a dam it only cracks the dam and floods outward on it's own.

And the Roman Empire doesn't work as an example. In the Mediterranean, particularly the eastern half, they absorbed cultures that were decidedly unroman and allowed them to practice their culture, and even their religion, so long as they followed civic law and refrained from converting people to cults. These places Romanticized slowly through a natural process of cultural drift. They had divisive citizenship laws this is true, but as time went on citizenship laws, for your average person, mostly just affected where you sat on the tax base. It's in the decadence of the post-Severan collapse that they begin to hold Germanic tribes introduced into their borders at arms length instead of integrating them, dividing the Empire into increasingly competitive power bases in the last century until those power bases basically tear the thing apart. They couldn't have kept those barbarians out because... well, they tried, they simply couldn't afford to. But by holding them at arms length instead of integrating them, they created the conditions for the empire to fracture as those Germanic power bases became independent.
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It is clear that the civilization we are a part of is currently in a state of cultural decline. We are too eager to cast away the values that we once had in favor of newfangled ways of seeing the world. This is exacerbated by the fact that, due to the inundation of America with unsavory characters, we are a nation that is at odds with itself in terms of demographics. The white man has different values than the black man, and the red man, and the yellow man, and the pink man, etc. Instead of trying to understand our differences and promote diverse connections between each other, we have smashed ourselves together and tried to work with the aftermath of the collision.


We've always done that though. You could take this argument and transpose it into the world of 1850's politics and, honestly, it would fit perfectly. Swap the Irish for the Mexicans and Papacy for moral degeneracy and wham bam, you've traveled into the past 150 years.

And we didn't smash ourselves together. You make it sound like the United States was some weird international particle collider experiment done from the very beginning as a purposeful attempt at multiculturalism, when reality is way more chaotic. Some people immigrated here on their own volition, others came here as refugees. Others didn't have a choice; they where either assimilated by conquest, or in the case of the black man, stolen from their rightful home. And this is history. This is how it has always worked in the entire world in every nation for all time. People move, borders shift, cultures change. You can't really draw a line around a group of people and say "This is a culture" because as soon as you do, it makes connections outside of the line, or it changes from within. To attempt to freeze a culture is absolutely futile.

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Class is an imperfect way to categorize people. As soon as whatever "bourgeois" are properly "class-struggled" against, new boundaries will be set to separate people. The most perfect way of creating cohesive social order is via independent, homogeneous ethnicities and social orders. Borders, language, and culture are all indicative of a nation that is not only united via common goals/ideas but is also controlled by proper moral boundaries and laws.


And these things shift. The cultural values and morals of two or three generations ago are as foreign to me as the cultural values of many other nations.

The things you are talking about are way too fluid. I can tell pretty easily that I don't have your common goals, or your ideas about what is proper morality or laws. You'd have to use force to keep me, and many many other Americans, in line with your concepts of how things are supposed to be. At that point can you say your method is any more natural or cohesive than another other method? It seems to me if you have to use increased force to keep your "cohesion" then your "cohesion" is rather brittle.
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