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did you just quote a post from 12 months ago?

You dont think he still believes in all that MRA crap?

Everything @Tulpa posts is a goldmine.

I know people who are experts on cults and the mind control tactics used to keep a tight agenda on their lives.

Cognitive dissonance, for example. It's some real fun stuff.

Alright @Tulpa, you asked for this.

>Holy shit. I'm terrified.
"OMG GUIS IM LIRALLY SHAKING RITE NAO"
Just because someone doesn't conform to your way of thinking regarding a certain topic doesn't mean you should demonize them and use fear tactics to try and ostracize them. This method of argumentation is shown particularly well in the "Two Minutes Hate" found in 1984, where like-minded individuals express all their anger and vitriol at the "other", someone who is "the source of all their problems". Just like how you label me as the other, as the enemy, for being pro-Trump and climate change skeptical. I am now the source of your problems, naturally, because it is easy to hate me as I differ fundamentally from the beliefs of you and those who you surround yourself with.

>Trump supporters are honestly the worst, morally depraved people that I've ever had the misfortune to share this society with
Not the pedophiles in the upper echelons of government and business. Not the billionaires who intervene in our governmental processes and in our cultural discourse. Not the people who would have your way of life destroyed for having a belief different from them.

No, Trump supporters are the problem. The people who disagree with you, they're the problem. The people who challenge conventional wisdom, they're the problem. The people who want to preserve a way of life that has been destroyed by the very same people who left them behind. They're the problem.

>Bill of Humans Rights torn apart and all the freedoms that we are privileged with today to be taken away before people honestly wake up
We want to take away none of your freedoms. Sure, we won't answer to a globalist treatise built for special interests and disconnected from every distinct culture on this green earth, but the one thing we will answer to is the people who share this country with us and share our values with us. Stop the fear politics. Fear LOST the election. People are TIRED of being scared for no reason. They're TIRED of being told how to think and how to feel and that they are weak. They're TIRED of terror.

>Trump supporters can not be argued with. It's Scientology all over again, and everyone is drinking the kool-aid.
More like SocJus is the one that can't be argued with. "Drinking kool-aid"? We took the red pill, not the kool-aid. We see the fault of not focusing on the people closest to you, of one world government, of the deracination of society, of the destruction of morality, of the constant fear-mongering perpetrated by detached individuals who work for special interests. We're the ones who are most skeptical of the status quo, of the accepted ideology. We're the ones that fact check the demagogues and "experts" who are driven by unknown interests. It is people such as you who spread a certain ideology with no introspection of understanding of different points of view. It is you who has drunk the kool-aide, not us.

>Trumpism is a personality cult, and that is not hyperbole.
Regardless of the fact that this statement is preceded by an unverifiable appeal to ethos, this too is fear-mongering. Trump is a populist, yes. He appeals to the people and the people rally behind him and his ideals because of that. He is their agent. They are not driven by him. He has had to constantly kowtow to the average American in order to retain his base, because they wouldn't have come to him.

>Future generations are going to hate you. I mean, absolutely despise you. Are you happy with the legacy being left behind, and the planet that our grandchildren will be left with?
Sure they will.

"Is it a villain you want? I'll play the part. After all, what is a drama without a villain? What is the building of this grand road if not a drama? This business is not for the weak of heart. It is a thorny, brutal affair that rewards the lion for his ferocity. But what of the zebra? What of the poor zebra? Well, the zebra's eaten, as the zebra should be. Make no mistake, blood will be spilled, lives will be lost, fortunes will be made, men will be ruined. There will be betrayal and scandals, and perfidy of epic proportions, but the lion - shall - prevail! You see, the secret I know is this. All of history is driven by the lion. We drag the poor zebra, kicking and braying, staining the earth with its cheap blood. History doesn't remember us fondly, but then history is written by the zebra for the zebra. One hundred years hence, when this railroad spans the continent, and America rises to be the greatest power the world has seen, I will be remembered as a caitiff, a malefactor, who only operated out of greed for personal gain. All true, all true, but remember this: without me and men like me, your glorious railroad would never be built."

My people will be remembered for their repudiation of the globalist cabals. We will be the ones that preserve the diversity of people by dismantling the system that leads us into a fiery pit of destruction and slavery. We will not be slaves to shadowy media companies or political groups. We will preserve the things that made each nation in the world a great nation: borders, language, culture. We will turn back the collision course that modern liberalism is sending us spiraling towards. Of course, we will do this while the zebra kicks and screams . . . but it is for the best.

>I'll just leave this here, though I doubt one video will break through the clouds of Trumpism. At this point, I don't think anything can. Anything. Not until the Man himself shows his true Jim Jones colors. I strongly doubt that anyone would bother to pick up a book these days, but whatever.
Pseudo-poets won't sway me to your side. Neither will books of unknown nature that propagate points of unknown validity. You demonize Trump and his supporters, acting as if you're soooooo right, that everything would be fine if we just listened to you. The thing is, we tried doing that, but it didn't work, and that's why every smarmy and smug comedian in a suit and tie was awestruck by the election: because we dared think differently.

>The world has suffered too many petulant politicians.
And I have suffered under too many petulant individuals who proclaim their beliefs are better than mine because they think what all the media thinks.

>We look back on our ancestors and see the backwards society that they lived in
It is exactly this mentality that brought us to this point. Rather than looking back on history and respecting what made civilizations great, we willingly destroy the values they had fought to give us and the moral codes that made us great in the first place.

>As for the Trumpism that is even leaking on here of all places - I'm done. I'm honestly done. How do you argue with this? There is no arguing anyway. What world am I living in?
You break down because someone has a differing opinion? Is this what humanity has come to? Is this the world I am living in? No matter how much you try to preserve a hugbox of identical viewpoints, the real world is filled with facts, rhetoric, and conflict. That is what has brought us to this point in history, and that is how it should continue to be.

>Bill of Human Rights was just and fair
Wow, a piece of commandments written by some globalist governmental body is incongruent with the beliefs of many people of many cultures? Who knew!

>The only thing that I leave in this hot topic of the recent political candidate are these two pieces of literature that any person who believes that they deserve a say should read before they preach.
Words are the most dangerous weapon. Every word means the world.
Yes, I read both. Both are pertinent to today's world, as both show the flaw in modern society. Huxley and Orwell both create worlds where everyone thinks the same way. A world which clearly you would enjoy. However, both authors make it clear that these worlds of only agreement lead to perversion of humanity and the subjugation of the people. I don't want to be controlled by giant conglomerates. Do you?

tl,dr: no u

@Didgeridont
You wanna step away from the keyboard for a while m8.

@Didgeridont
You wanna step away from the keyboard for a while m8.

nah mang, bring on the libs.

@Didgeridont
>muh redpill
Oh wow. Truly, you are the philosopher-kings of this generation. I tremble in fear of your superior IQ and pure nordic bloodline. Enlighten me, glorious ubermensch! Enlighten me with your artifact-riddled jpegs! You and your kind are truly the only independent and strong peoples remaining on this planet, what with your desire to be ruled by an eternal god-emperor and fixation on cuckold porn!

>We will preserve the things that made each nation in the world a great nation: borders, language, culture.
Spooky shit.

@Didgeridont
>muh redpill
Oh wow. Truly, you are the philosopher-kings of this generation. I tremble in fear of your superior IQ and pure nordic bloodline. Enlighten me, glorious ubermensch! Enlighten me with your artifact-riddled jpegs! You and your kind are truly the only independent and strong peoples remaining on this planet, what with your desire to be ruled by an eternal god-emperor and fixation on cuckold porn!

>We will preserve the things that made each nation in the world a great nation: borders, language, culture.
Spooky shit.

ayo where the counter-argument at? Are you denying that these factors made empires and civilizations great?

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ayo where the counter-argument at? Are you denying that these factors made empires and civilizations great?

I'm denying that your "greatness" even matters.

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I'm denying that your "greatness" even matters.

Why wouldn't it matter? The propagation of the human race is augmented by the success of the groups they are a part of. Civilization has been a tool used to secure the next generation of humanity. I don't really get how greatness wouldn't matter, as it would help determine the success of civilization.

okay this thread is getting into such silly territory it's a headache, so fuck it. but i saw this so i gotta say...

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How? For trying to retake it's borders? For working against an establishment of media and politicians who have laughed at it and divided it for years? For stopping the destruction of our culture?

naw, the punchline will be we elected a celebrity famous mostly for yelling at people and living in a golden penthouse in the sky as the most powerful man in the world. he's going to have to do a helluva lot to get beyond his resume.

I mean, the Simpsons literally used this as a punchline once. A lot of the people who voted for him are going to use him as a punchline too. It's just sort of an obvious thing that is going to happen.

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Why wouldn't it matter? The propagation of the human race is augmented by the success of the groups they are a part of. Civilization has been a tool used to secure the next generation of humanity. I don't really get how greatness wouldn't matter, as it would help determine the success of civilization.

The so-called "greatness" you want isn't that though. Your "greatness" focuses entirely around your oddly-constructed system of what you believe to be "great" and what you believe to be "degeneracy". In reality, neither should be supported or fought above all else. Class is the primary conflict that we need to focus on, not those damn ess-jay-doubleyews with their ( ( ( F E M I N I S M ) ) ).

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The so-called "greatness" you want isn't that though. Your "greatness" focuses entirely around your oddly-constructed system of what you believe to be "great" and what you believe to be "degeneracy". In reality, neither should be supported or fought above all else. Class is the primary conflict that we need to focus on, not those damn ess-jay-doubleyews with their ( ( ( F E M I N I S M ) ) ).

Class is an imperfect way to categorize people. As soon as whatever "bourgeois" are properly "class-struggled" against, new boundaries will be set to separate people. The most perfect way of creating cohesive social order is via independent, homogeneous ethnicities and social orders. Borders, language, and culture are all indicative of a nation that is not only united via common goals/ideas but is also controlled by proper moral boundaries and laws.

Alls I know is that I want to watch some other country have a ridiculous election like this one so that I can know what it feels like to watch it from the outside.

Like, pit Jim Carrey and Seth Rogen against each other for Canadian Prime Minister. Then throw in, I dunno, Justin Bieber as a third party guy.

/s

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Class is an imperfect way to categorize people. As soon as whatever "bourgeois" are properly "class-struggled" against, new boundaries will be set to separate people. The most perfect way of creating cohesive social order is via independent, homogeneous ethnicities and social orders. Borders, language, and culture are all indicative of a nation that is not only united via common goals/ideas but is also controlled by proper moral boundaries and laws.

And these things shift. The cultural values and morals of two or three generations ago are as foreign to me as the cultural values of many other nations.

The things you are talking about are way too fluid. I can tell pretty easily that I don't have your common goals, or your ideas about what is proper morality or laws. You'd have to use force to keep me, and many many other Americans, in line with your concepts of how things are supposed to be. At that point can you say your method is any more natural or cohesive than another other method? It seems to me if you have to use increased force to keep your "cohesion" then your "cohesion" is rather brittle.

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And these things shift. The cultural values and morals of two or three generations ago are as foreign to me as the cultural values of many other nations.

The things you are talking about are way too fluid. I can tell pretty easily that I don't have your common goals, or your ideas about what is proper morality or laws. You'd have to use force to keep me, and many many other Americans, in line with your concepts of how things are supposed to be. At that point can you say your method is any more natural or cohesive than another other method? It seems to me if you have to use increased force to keep your "cohesion" then your "cohesion" is rather brittle.

It is clear that the civilization we are a part of is currently in a state of cultural decline. We are too eager to cast away the values that we once had in favor of newfangled ways of seeing the world. This is exacerbated by the fact that, due to the inundation of America with unsavory characters, we are a nation that is at odds with itself in terms of demographics. The white man has different values than the black man, and the red man, and the yellow man, and the pink man, etc. Instead of trying to understand our differences and promote diverse connections between each other, we have smashed ourselves together and tried to work with the aftermath of the collision.

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It is clear that the civilization we are a part of is currently in a state of cultural decline. We are too eager to cast away the values that we once had in favor of newfangled ways of seeing the world. This is exacerbated by the fact that, due to the inundation of America with unsavory characters, we are a nation that is at odds with itself in terms of demographics. The white man has different values than the black man, and the red man, and the yellow man, and the pink man, etc. Instead of trying to understand our differences and promote diverse connections between each other, we have smashed ourselves together and tried to work with the aftermath of the collision.

We've always done that though. You could take this argument and transpose it into the world of 1850's politics and, honestly, it would fit perfectly. Swap the Irish for the Mexicans and Papacy for moral degeneracy and wham bam, you've traveled into the past 150 years.

And we didn't smash ourselves together. You make it sound like the United States was some weird international particle collider experiment done from the very beginning as a purposeful attempt at multiculturalism, when reality is way more chaotic. Some people immigrated here on their own volition, others came here as refugees. Others didn't have a choice; they where either assimilated by conquest, or in the case of the black man, stolen from their rightful home. And this is history. This is how it has always worked in the entire world in every nation for all time. People move, borders shift, cultures change. You can't really draw a line around a group of people and say "This is a culture" because as soon as you do, it makes connections outside of the line, or it changes from within. To attempt to freeze a culture is absolutely futile.

okay this thread is getting into such silly territory it's a headache, so fuck it. but i saw this so i gotta say...

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naw, the punchline will be we elected a celebrity famous mostly for yelling at people and living in a golden penthouse in the sky as the most powerful man in the world. he's going to have to do a helluva lot to get beyond his resume.

I mean, the Simpsons literally used this as a punchline once. A lot of the people who voted for him are going to use him as a punchline too. It's just sort of an obvious thing that is going to happen.

The Simpsons made their Trump episode after Trump already announced he was going to run. It wasn't a "wow the Simpsons predicted it" thing, though people tried to make that a meme.

But let's be honest here: Trump is famous for far more than his time on Celebrity Apprentice. He was practically the king of NYC in the last couple decades of the 20th century. He was invited to numerous talk shows to explain business, economics, and success. He was getting along with the common man long before he was ever running for President. He's been a household name since the 70's. The only people who see him as a punchline are people who don't know his history outside of the media narrative.

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We've always done that though. You could take this argument and transpose it into the world of 1850's politics and, honestly, it would fit perfectly. Swap the Irish for the Mexicans and Papacy for moral degeneracy and wham bam, you've traveled into the past 150 years.

And we didn't smash ourselves together. You make it sound like the United States was some weird international particle collider experiment done from the very beginning as a purposeful attempt at multiculturalism, when reality is way more chaotic. Some people immigrated here on their own volition, others came here as refugees. Others didn't have a choice; they where either assimilated by conquest, or in the case of the black man, stolen from their rightful home. And this is history. This is how it has always worked in the entire world in every nation for all time. People move, borders shift, cultures change. You can't really draw a line around a group of people and say "This is a culture" because as soon as you do, it makes connections outside of the line, or it changes from within. To attempt to freeze a culture is absolutely futile.

What I meant regarding the collision of cultures was that people allowed for too much interconnection between races/ethnicities which resulted in a society where none of the participants can be truly happy.

While it may be true that culture itself changes, it should change naturally in an attempt to serve it's people. Culture is a representation of a certain racial/ethnic identity. As soon as the identity outpaces the culture or vice versa, there begins a stagnation and decline in society. You see this with the Roman Empire, where it eventually became flooded with individuals who were decidedly not Roman and did not conform to the practices of the Romans to such an extent where it preserved peace.

To say that a people and their values can be so malleable that they should not be preserved is a dangerous path to tread.