Speaking of mental illnesses
this thread.
this thread.
Halo said
Now, I refuse to do the same as you've done back to you, quoting sentence by sentence, because the point never gets reached that way - you just spiral off, arguing about every tiny facet of the others' argument, right down to individual word choice. It strips everything of context and defeats the point of discussion.
Halo said As I understand it, your view is thus: "I could be wrong but Wayne's account of his experiences seemed unbelievable to me, therefore he must be lying. I thought it best to call him on it because people faking illnesses is detrimental."
Halo said My view is thus: "You have no bloody idea if his experiences are real or not, because you aren't an expert and are limited by your own personal experience. I think it's best not to call people on it because the more vitriolic you are towards people you've decided must be 'fakes', the less comfortable people with real issues feel expressing them, out of fear of receiving the same treatment."
Halo said I never accused you of being deliberately spiteful or cruel.
Halo said Brovo, don't be a colossal dickweed.
Halo said I know that wouldn't be your intention. I also don't think that, honestly, you were seeking to help Wayne when you started this conversation. You were trying to call him out as a fake - which I understand, considering I know precisely how damaging those faking it can be (as I said, I've been there; you aren't the only one who knows anything), but on which my philosophy differs massively from yours.
Halo said The core point of my argument was to highlight my view on this "calling out", and to get you to consider that maybe it could be detrimental.
Halo said The way in which that point was presented was less than adequate, I'll admit, but I was hoping the core argument/the bigger picture would be taken into account rather than narrowing it down to word choice.
Halo said There is a difference between being privately sceptical, and deliberately trying to call someone out, in public, to prove them as a "fake". The former I fully support. The latter, less so, for the reasons outlined above.
Halo said All I ask is that you consider that opinion - quoting every tiny word I say and trying to pick apart my argument as if defending yourself from a vicious personal attack, or, even worse, somehow "win" the debate.
Halo said This isn't Off-Topic, a debate on a purely intellectual level regarding pros and cons of X political system or Y approach to Z. This is much more personal, and is merely a discussion.
Halo said As for the whole "insult" thing, forgive me - it wasn't meant as a personal attack or vitriolic insult, really. It was akin to calling your mate an asshat or whatever.
Halo said EDIT: I think, in essence, I felt the need to comment precisely because I know how important this is to you, and that the idea of somehow being detrimental to the struggles of people with mental illness would absolutely kill you. I felt the way you were acting was potentially damaging when you didn't intend it to be, and felt that should be highlighted as something you should consider in future.
Brovo said
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Platinum said When I roleplay people with mental illnesses... I do something which is probably unforgivable. But, um, well, I do that.
When I play someone who is mentally sick, I do not go and research the mental illness. In fact, I never look up anything at all, not even the name of the illness. I don't even know what I am giving my character. When I create the character, I give them the illness that I want them to have. I give it the properties which I want to roleplay in my character, and twist it the way I want it to function. For instance, at some time I wanted to play a character which was an adult but with the mind of child. I did so, never learned if that was any specific name for that or anything. At another time I wanted to play a character completely unable to feel sympathy or sorrow, or anything else like that, and so I did. At another time, I played someone who got terribly scared and shy without wanting to the moment she even entered vision range of another person. Some of these I don't even know if they are character traits or mental sicknesses, I give my character what I want them to have.
More than once I've had my character whose mind I've twisted a bit be asked about "he has -name of mental illness-, right?"... And my answer is "Could be!". At times, I go check what it was that was referred to, and lo and behold, it was what I had given my character without even knowing the name of it or doing any particular research. I have yet to encounter a time I've been absurdly wrong in what I gave the character, since I never really gave the character that specific mental condition to begin with. I just gave them a mental condition of my customization, after all. Up to the rest to identify which name fits it the closest. Heh-heh.
That's what I do, anyway.
Edit: Of course, I don't mind people who go into detail researching exactly the illness they want for their character. In fact, I respect them, because I could never do the same. This is because, I would get too scared of insulting or misrepresenting actual people with said condition, and as so I shy away from actually calling any such condition by name, even if there is a perfect one for my character. That's just how I work.