@Fam: Sounds fine to me. Also if you are waiting on Mattmangannon, or whatever his name is, I wouldn't. He has posted in other RPs and appears to have abandoned this RP (look at his profile) and waiting on someone like that may just slow everything down. However, the decision rests with you, that was just a suggestion.

EDIT: Scarifar, in your IC post you say your creations can do almost everything. What exactly does that mean, because if a little fly can do everything an entire facility of heroes can do, then all we need is an army of Artist's drawings, which seems a little silly. It also renders people's abilities null and void, and also less unique, if your creations can do everything we can do.

Avanhelsing said
I must confess I think I like you. Your changing sigs make me smile. Kim Possible, Mass Effect and whatever else? EPIC!

Aw, thanks. :)
I try to be courteous as well as furnish my sig with cool gifs and whatnot.

Hmm... perhaps I should edit that.

Ok... time to set limitations, just give me a moment.

EDIT: Here we go:
Artist cannot create beings that already exist in the world (ex: your characters, other people's npc's, etc.).
Artist cannot summon major gods/other similarly powerful beings for more than 1.5 seconds without falling unconscious (to the point where he's almost at a coma) for.... let's say 1 day.
Artist cannot create 2 of the same being at the same time, even if on different pictures.
If Artist returns anything to a picture, it cannot be summoned again without a cooldown time (let's say one hour).
Artist cannot summon things that violate the the basic laws of physics (ex. impossible objects).
If Artist himself is incapacitated (unconscious, etc) then all summoned things will be automatically returned to the picture they were summoned from.
All creations Artist summons will be subjected to the natural laws of the world.
Any creation too badly damaged/incapacitated will be automatically returned to the picture it was summoned from.

And this is already with his original limitations, like:
Artist cannot keep beings out in the world for long periods of time without tiring himself.
Artist can only keep a max of 7 objects/5 beings out at once (let's say the max amount of time is 1 hour for objects and half an hour for beings, and at the end of that, he'll be so exhausted that he needs several hours to recuperate).

Not quite done, but I'm running out of limitations as it is. If you guys would like to mention anything, then please do so, and I will consider it.

So are you going to retcon the mind reading in your IC post? Because I object to that as a character power too. Especially if you give it to him with the power he already has. A little bit BS, I would say.

I can set limitations to said mind-reading, sure, but beyond that, I don't think I can do much, because if I do more, then almost EVERYTHING would be blocked off, which kinda destroys the point for having a flexible power like his.

Eh theres the problem with power oriented role plays. At least to me if you have a power and there are some extensions to it people have issues. Usually the most straightforward type you can go by to me is elemental based powers no one can really fuck with that part.

Scarifar said
I can set limitations to said mind-reading, sure, but beyond that, I don't think I can do much, because if I do more, then almost EVERYTHING would be blocked off, which kinda destroys the point for having a flexible power like his.

Well you can limit it so the creations don't have powers of their own..An elephant should not be able to fly when summoned it should just do elephanty things. It doesn't block off everything- you can still summon stuff, it just has normal abilities, not OP stuff like mind-reading for a fly. Additionally, your CS mentioned nothing about creations having superpowers, so I think that is an issue in itself. You've omitted information from the CS, and now IC you've decided to have it appear..

Well it's an automaton disguised to look like one, not an actual fly, which does give it a little more flexibility, but otherwise I get your point.

Maybe it can read people, like their body language as opposed to their emotions. That would work better I think.

Gone for a day, already triple and double posts in IC. Kind of hoping this doesn't keep up.

Catching up on everything, going to try and get myself integrated. Wish me luck.

@RainDash I tried body language on other rp's and let's just say it was next to useless. If I used body language, it'd be more like me controlling how people moved to a pretty high scale, unlike situations like where someone unfortunately placed a foot on a hidden pressure plate. Emotions, well, give me a better place to work with. After all, you guys are listing them, and all I really do is confirm what you already typed in.

My problem is this. His CS says "Powers/Abilities: Able to bring an object/being from a picture into real life. If the object is a weapon, he is able to use it to its fullest extent." He states he brings objects into real life. Not brings them into real life and gives them enchanted abilities or turn them into automaton's disguised as flies. Just randomly adding powers in during IC is pretty silly and allows people to create OP characters. The objects created should be just that, objects.
Edit: Yes we list emotions. Emotions that are private, and no character would know, except someone with the superpower related to that. We already have someone who can read emotions, why do your flies/automatons/whatever, also need to do this? There is no point except to try and OP your character.

What exactly determines the properties of things that Artist draws? Does he when he summons them from the paper? Does the artist(I assume he can pull other peoples drawings as well) merely need to intend for that property to exist? Does it need to be inherent in the drawing itself? Does Artist just have to intend for the drawing in particular to be able to read minds? Because if that's the case than he could just say that all of his drawings can read minds. Why not?

You're going the right direction to avoid it being OP with the limitations that you've placed so far, but I can still see a lot of room for abuse.

I kind of agree with Fox. Like the example I gave, if you can give any power to any of your drawings it's just crazy. And you can't just say "Well it was a robot that looked like a fly. Because if you set that precedent from the get go you can make things up like that every time.

You already have an incredibly powerful ability, don't go pretending that we're making it useless by asking for fair limitations.

@FiendishFox Perhaps the word "object" was a poor choice of words, and I mean things that didn't have sentient minds, but yes, giving mere objects "enchanted abilities" is quite OP. I am trying to change it as much as I can to the point where it is manageable and acceptable. Plus, objects don't really "turn into" automatons on their own. I could say something, like, an outer shell of metal and plastic designed to mimic the appearance of a fly, and maybe even basic blueprints of the automaton itself.

@Gisk You're right, of course, and I apologize if I caused offense. I will be adding more limitations, but if everything I try fails, I could delete him from play and move on with my other character, Michelle Kine.

Scarifar said
@ FiendishFox Perhaps the word "object" was a poor choice of words, and I mean things that didn't have sentient minds, but yes, giving mere objects "enchanted abilities" is quite OP. I am trying to change it as much as I can to the point where it is manageable and acceptable. Plus, objects don't really "turn into" automatons on their own. I could say something, like, an outer shell of metal and plastic designed to mimic the appearance of a fly, and maybe even basic blueprints of the automaton itself.

But why the need for automatons and mind-reading flies in the first place? Serves no purpose but to OP your character. Being able to turn drawings to real life is a powerful ability in itself when used correctly, and that is the power you applied for with your CS. If you are insisting on all these powers then at the very least I think you should have to re-apply, seeing as your power has changed so much.

I don't think it will come to that, Scar. Really the only additional limitation that I see you needing is that your drawings can't have their own supernatural abilities. That still leaves you with the entire range of mechanical and biological creation.

But I think all in all we should totally wait for Famo to chime in on this situation.

@FiendishFox Seems like mental abilities are all but banned in nearly all shape and form. Granted, there's a reason they're banned (if not several) but even they have weaknesses, like thinking false thoughts and other such tactics. As for automatons themselves, well, they're really only as useful as the ones controlling them (in this case, Artist), and humans do have limits to ingenuity. I could remove the "use to fullest extent" part on Artist's abilities, making it so that he can't use it beyond what he can think of, and the lack of experience makes it quite difficult for him to use objects very well. He'd need to learn how to use something before he can actually wield it. Like with the mind-reading automaton fly, he'd be given a wide range of emotions and pictures to interpret, but he'd need experience to learn how to interpret them, and of course, human judgement makes errors all the time, even with trained professionals, and Artist is anything but a pro.

@Gisk I suppose I was trying to keep supernatural powers, and if that's the price to keep the ability to summon pictures, then I guess I can discard the idea of supernatural powers.

Not th GM here but if your asking for opinions...

I think you should make your power more literal.

So, you can't draw telepathy so you can't create it.

You can't give your character. A power he does not already have like telepathy or empathy.

You can't draw something that grows bigger. So you have to draw to scale, and if you want to make something bigger and more complex it takes significant my more time and resources.

Time should be a factor to the creations strength. A quick sketck should not function as well as a oil painting that room hours.

Also, how much control do you have over your creations? It might make him have to be wise before create ing something animate.

Also keep in mind that the gm has already said we woukd 'level up' so don't feel like the power needs to be ' perfect'

That's how I would take it on, anyhow.

@Mind-fly discussioners, This is an issue for GM to sort with Scar, if Scar feels obliged to amend his post before GM intervention thats great but there is no need to labour the point and Gisk was more than succinct with his first criticism. Scar, your ability has few boundaries as it is, if you want it to stay that way I'd ensure you abuse it as little as possible.

@Scarifar: The fly/elephant/badger or whatever you create should NOT be allowed to read minds or dance or sing, or do anything they cannot normally do in real life. Why on earth would your fly suddenly be special and have the ability to read minds? Why can't it just be a normal fly? That's all I'm going to say until the GM responds to this issue, because I'm not in charge here, and I'm coming across as a bit of an asshole, trying to force you to change your power. Sorry.