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I'm no its not finished but im already going to have to say no.The countries you selected don't really make sense together.


Why not? They are all adjascent, balkanic countries just make sense to be together, and all of them are at the Mediterrenean Sea. What exactly is bothering you with such a combination?
Or maybe, could you tell me a combination that sounds better for you?
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I will wait for Aaron's word on it, but it seems like just a weird combo of countries.
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Why not? They are all adjascent, balkanic countries just make sense to be together, and all of them are at the Mediterrenean Sea. What exactly is bothering you with such a combination?Or maybe, could you tell me a combination that sounds better for you?


Just because two nations are in the vaguely same area does not mean that they are complimentary to each other. As a solid basis: all those states have incredibly divergent histories from each other and hugely different cultures (the Balkans are Slavic ethnically, and the Greeks are not Romantically influenced). And good relations between nations does not equal reason for annexation or binding up into one mega-state. Nationalism would see to its destruction at conception.

Not to mention these nations already having been stated as not being democratic (in Italy's case) and them being claimed already (Greece, a goodly part of the Balkans/if not already something to refer to Helix over) already makes your super-state unacceptable.

Also, two aircraft carriers? Nigga you cray, none of any of those nations have the capabilities to build those - especially in a post-war economy - nor would they have the resources to use them or back national interests beyond the Mediterranean: the whole region is already in jet range anyways.

In closing: go home and try-hard there.

And the only time I can recall any of these nations were one was during the era of Spanish Sicily brought on by Spanish inheritance of Sicily. But situations creating personal unions such as this only arises in monarchies, which Spain isn't much of anymore and Italy is not.
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I don't think so, we should await more people applying or Aaron making suggestions since he would have a good idea of how WW3 might go down.Edit:Yes your good to go.


In so far I am sticking to the idea the starting core of the War in Europe being about when France intervenes on the German annexation of Belgium, prolonging war in the Flemmish and Dutch lowlands. This'd of course briefly include Poland - unless Cheesy's given up already - and all that fun stuff, maybe just dumb-fuck it and have a forced Anschluss of Austria by Germany.

We'd still need to give Germany allies to explain why they weren't ever rekt and how wide-spread the damages of, so I continue to press the proposal Italy at least decides to at least try and get back into the war. Maybe taking Corsica from France and making more Alascea-Lorraines. That'd at least be the basis. Then Italy gets to deal with a shit ton of pissy French-identifying people.

What'd next would be to explain the protection of the Baltic states from Russia. I still say this should involve the US.
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I'd also like to voice that I can't take Coga's laser weapons seriously either.

Seriously. What the fuck is this? Just because we're thirty years ahead with a fifteen long war seems like a limp-dicked reason to pull out all our dicks onto shitty weapons that can sink mainline ships in under five minutes. Are we really trying this fucking hard?

If we're going this route Duck, then I will with a straight face pull out a million Metal Gear Excelsiuses and just be a unfun faggot.
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I will go with the Baltic States thing, but the US would fail because again they got to widespread and had to pull out, leaving little to no support for there allies.
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I will go with the Baltic States thing, but the US would fail because again they got to widespread and had to pull out, leaving little to no support for there allies.


Did you hammer something out with the Russia guy even?

And you have two front to challenge Russia on too. You'd have to pick and pull out of the minor conflicts during the war to re-focus. But it's about as obligatory as it is cliche that the US would have to have a show down with the Ruskis during the war.
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Just because two nations are in the vaguely same area does not mean that they are complimentary to each other. As a solid basis: all those states have incredibly divergent histories from each other and hugely different cultures (the Balkans are Slavic ethnically, and the Greeks are not Romantically influenced). And good relations between nations does not equal reason for annexation or binding up into one mega-state. Nationalism would see to its destruction at conception.Not to mention these nations already having been stated as not being democratic (in Italy's case) and them being claimed already (Greece, a goodly part of the Balkans/if not already something to refer to Helix over) already makes your super-state unacceptable.Also, two aircraft carriers? Nigga you cray, none of any of those nations have the capabilities to build those - especially in a post-war economy - nor would they have the resources to use them or back national interests beyond the Mediterranean: the whole region is already in jet range anyways.In closing: go home and try-hard there.And the only time I can recall any of these nations were one was during the era of brought on by Spanish inheritance of Sicily. But situations creating personal unions such as this only arises in monarchies, which Spain isn't much of anymore and Italy is not.


I can accept him as a faction that is trying to undermine and overthrow the Confederacy. Other than that, I will have to agree with this as even I will say that the civil war devastated both of them even though I have the loin's share of the resources (first come, first serve).
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If anyone is looking for a revolution or somesuch, do tell me, and the APIRCA will have its first post
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And then APIRCA loses a steady consumer base in the turmoil of revolution, plus is branded as a terrorist group because of its involvement against regimes?
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But I though that after all those posts already made prior my arrival, a worldwide infrastructure would be reestablished...
Anyways, I cannot arque with the GMs. Just tell me which countries are avalaible and I'll make another application with more logical military.
However, I will keep one carrier. I even have an explanation for it: at the beginning of the war, the U.S. handed the carrier to the NATO forces to assist in the atacks in the inner Russia; a Nimitz-class carrier, the last of its kind non-decomissioned, for it was considered old over new models created by an America that started off the war wealthier than ever. After the war, it was discovered that both the carrier and its manned fleet was too costly to mantain. Because of that, they modernized it a bit, made the launch platform smaller, fited it with stronger catapults, and changed its planes with UCAVs, which are smaller, easier to maintain, and can stand the new G forces caused by the new catapults. Sounds logical, doesn't it?
Anyways, I'll change the others, though.
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But I though that after all those posts already made prior my arrival, a worldwide infrastructure would be reestablished...Anyways, I cannot arque with the GMs. Just tell me which countries are avalaible and I'll make another application with more logical military.However, I will keep one carrier. I even have an explanation for it: at the beginning of the war, the U.S. handed the carrier to the NATO forces to assist in the atacks in the inner Russia; a Nimitz-class carrier, the last of its kind non-decomissioned, for it was considered old over new models created by an America that started off the war wealthier than ever. After the war, it was discovered that both the carrier and its manned fleet was too costly to mantain. Because of that, they modernized it a bit, made the launch platform smaller, fited it with stronger catapults, and changed its planes with UCAVs, which are smaller, easier to maintain, and can stand the new G forces caused by the new catapults. Sounds logical, doesn't it?Anyways, I'll change the others, though.


It's barely been a month for me and a year after does not make a repaired national infrastructure.

We're looking at issues that go beyond a few knocked down cities. We're looking at issues brought on by population loss, which'd re-shape the face of national demographics for many European nations and create a comical level of age disparity. In any nation - especially any that joined the war enough for you to claim a super-state - would have massive cuts to the young adult groups, being veterans of the Third World War and most having most likely died, this'll have massive long-term impacts on population growth rates and the ability to man the economy. Then there's war inflation...

And it depends on the carriers. But I can't take those seriously because of abuse. So I'm still on the "no" side of the fence. As for unclaimed nations, there's a lot. But for what I can bring up with the least amount of effort needed (especially in writing them):

France (Only confirmed to a be a "strong-leader" dictatorship)
Italy (Same as France)
Spain
Portugal
The non-Serbian chunk of the Balkans
Malta
Lithuania
Estonia
Denmark
Latvia
Much of South America

Those which will require already an idea on what's going on in the lore or is already dependent on someone else:
Much of Africa
Central America (such as the Panama Zone from the northern chunk of Colombia up to Honduras)
China

And the list goes on but I don't have the effort. But look at the map, I'm just behind a nation.
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A lot of the Middle East is open, too. Of course, you're going to be Iran's bitch. I just might have to retcon some stuff in light of the recent crises though.
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Name of Group: KeyTech Combined Industries (KTCI)

Type: Multinational Corporation

Assets:
-Multiple Solar farms around the world, most of them in the NAF
-Rocket test site in Mojave Desert (Secret)
-Rocket launch site in Mojave Desert (Secret)
-HQ, also in Mojave Desert
-Multiple factories (With a wide range of outputs), located outside the NAF in places like China and Taiwan to evade nationalization. Wages follow NAF minimums, which in China and Taiwan are insanely lucrative.
-Multiple research centers, all located in the NAF
-Several smaller companies in nearly all areas considered "technological", such as pharmaceuticals, programming, genetics, aerospace, oil drilling, even for-hire services such as a think tank. Of particular note is the fracking and refinery company that was the very beginning of KTCI

Personnel: 1,279,000, employed across a number of different divisions and sub-divisions. Mostly made up of factory workers and researchers.

History: KeyTech began as a small start-up in 2018, exploiting an untapped oil reserve in Louisiana. The land the oil reserve was under had been inherited by Fergus McClain after his mother died. The oil reserve had always been known, but his father refused to sell off the land or develop it for sentimental reasons. When the father died, everything he owned was passed on to his wife (There had been a falling out between Fergus and his parents). However, not long after, Fergus' mother died as well. With no surviving relatives, she had to give everything to Fergus in her will or give it to someone outside of the family (Which neither of Fergus' parents would ever do). When Fergus got the land, he immediately began developing it despite being halfway through college, founding the company now known as KeyTech. (He named it KeyTech in reference to his own unpublished short story, though the name also fit with his long term goals).

Due to the oil shortage beginning to hit, he was able to force an astronomical price on buyers, creating huge profits for himself. Using that money, he quickly expanded into actually refining the oil (As well as adding multiple more drilling locations both on land and at sea), then selling the product at prices lower than the refineries he continued to sell to, driving them out of business and making himself the best option while still making a huge profit. He then stopped selling crude oil to other companies, forcing them to go to drilling businesses with less desirable outputs and prices. With his oil drilling operation bringing in so much money, he opened up fracking operations anywhere that would allow him to do so, taking great care to make sure everything was safe. Along with the fracking, he opened up natural gas processing centers to complement his refineries. For a while he simply built up capital, the corporation that once made near constant news with announcements of new endeavors becoming nothing more than a common name associated with fossil fuels which continued to drive the economy.

Then, KTCI made headline news when it broke ground on the largest solar energy plant in the world, a 1,000 megawatt behemoth capable of powering 900,000 homes with clean energy. Aside from being record breaking, it was also a solar power planet being built by a company so far connected with natural gas and oil. Another surprise decorated the front of newspapers later that year, announcing that KTCI had merged with First Solar (One of the largest solar power companies in the US). However, that wasn't the only merger KTCI participated in. Later that year, it was announced that they had merged with Gamble & Baxter, pharmaceutical companies. It was probably around that point at which KTCI was an acceptable villain for Cyberpunk stories, as it might as well have changed its name to "Megacorp" when the merger occurred. (Note: All mergers so far mentioned gave the former CEO of the merged company control over it was a division of KTCI, while also giving them a percentage of all KTCI profits). Notably, KTCI operated nearly all of its factories in China and Taiwan, but followed United States labor laws. When asked by, Fergus McClain responded "Here in the states most people either live off of welfare or have a job with a living wage, that's not true in some places across the Pacific. In China, for example, people commit suicide over their jobs and live in company provided housing that's actually worse than no shelter at all. I have an opportunity to help people over there with negligible losses, so I might as well take it."

Over the following years, KTCI continued to merge with much smaller businesses such as independent labs and think tanks, amassing huge assets and using the profits to open yet more solar farms and natural gas related operations. By the time we war began the oil reserves once used by KTCI had run dry, but instead of abandoning the sites they auctioned the land off at reduced prices. The sea operations, however, were gifted to the US Navy to be used as refueling outposts and guard towers. They also fielded medical personnel on the battlefield, as well as doing extensive research into frontline medical solutions. Despite the support, KTCI refused to research or build weapons and armed vehicles no matter who asked. Everything they sold to the military was either medical or related to transport, and all transport vehicles they built came with a contract requiring the buyer to not arm the vehicle with any lethal weapons or carry any such weapons. Obviously, they didn't sell many vehicles as a result. However, their medical services were a great boon to the allied military, and earned them warm relations with allied governments.

When the NAF was formed, KTCI realized that it would have to fight for its independence from the government. Fergus McClain hired the best lawyers he could get his hands on to make his case against the nationalization of KTCI. Luckily, the good relations he had cultivated during the war made the fight easy and KTCI was allowed to stay autonomous so long as it gave up certain operations to the NAF Government (Those operations being about one tenth of the natural gas operation, which was no longer the flagship endeavor of KTCI). After the settlement, Fergus McClain ordered the secret construction of multiple facilities dedicated to aerospace R&D, as well as a rocket test facility and a launch pad in the Mojave Desert (Where the HQ had been moved shortly before). Those facilities are still shrouded in secrecy, with no mention of even the type of research being conducted given. However, Fergus has promised to reveal it all eventually.

Other: I request permission from Duck on the history relating to the NAF. Thank god I finally came up with an idea that I could actually invest thought into. I am well aware that what I have written is not completely economically realistic, but honestly, the former USA is now socialist. I think we can excuse my inaccuracy when it isn't glaringly obvious to all of humanity.
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I got accepted, so Baltics are taken.
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> Two million employees.

I think that surpasses the largest employer in the world right now: Walmart.
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> Two million employees.I think that surpasses the largest employer in the world right now: Walmart.


No it doesn't. Walmart has slightly more employees than I listed. However, it honestly should be lower, but not by much, because Walmart doesn't operate any research labs that I know of.
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No it doesn't. Walmart has slightly more employees than I listed. However, it honestly should be lower, but not by much, because Walmart doesn't operate any research labs that I know of.


I don't know if you'd even need two million people unless you had a bazillion research labs with enough employees as there are Walmarts. It'd probably be even lower than that because of automation advances.

A company doesn't want more employees: that's more money you have to pay, especially for researchers.
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