@ActRaiser: The words of one person do not discredit an entire movement or ideology. If this was true, I should be able to use Westboro Baptist Church as an example of excellently portrayed Christian values.

Also, five minutes of Google. Five. Minutes. Can you try at least that next time before trying to paint someone on the left wing as a death fetishist?

Brovo said
The words of one person do not discredit an entire movement or ideology. If this was true, I should be able to use Westboro Baptist Church as an example of excellently portrayed Christian values., five minutes of Google. Can you try at least that next time before trying to paint someone on the left wing as a death fetishist?

Eh, he's still a kind of annihilationist. Maybe not evil, but there's also, thing of not wanting people to have children.

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Eh, he's still a kind of annihilationist. Maybe not evil, but there's also, thing of not wanting people to have children.

The world is overpopulated and we have loads of orphans to adopt. Statement is logical.

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Also, he supports "getting rid of" 90 percent of the entire planet's population. Not necessarily through genocide, but he still supports near extinction of the Human species. He's the real world's Captain Planet, but he isn't a hero, he's a total zero.Ted Turner also says "Men should be banned from public office."Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/leftist-idiot-ted-turner-applauds-soldier-suicides/#ZE2Mza0GysPFI4go.99

Here I am, looking at what he is saying, and to a certain extent, agreeing.

I agree that the basic idea behind soldiers being conflicted in the actions they are ordered to take, is a good thing. The USA is not acting in defense of itself, but in the defense of corporate interests. Which, to me, is entirely wrong. I do agree that the USA could easily cut its military spending in half, or more. Do I like that soldiers are committing suicide? No.

I also believe that the world is ridiculously overpopulated. I do think that we, as a human race, should try to limit our rate of population expansion, but as a personal choice, not a government order. A population of 350 million, to 2 billion is no where, even remotely bloody close to, "near extinction". Please do not sensationalize things. It looks ridiculous.

Meanwhile I firmly believe that the solution to overpopulation is not in killing people. If there is not enough room on the planet for everyone?

We move off the planet.

Anyway it is refreshing to see that Republicans do not have sole dominion of mount crazy.

ActRaiserTheReturned said
Eh, he's still a kind of annihilationist. Maybe not evil, but there's also, thing of not wanting people to have children.

The Western world's population would be declining if not for immigration. The problem isn't that people are having too many children, the problem is that the wrong people are having too many children.

The whole pope business needs to end.

The Nexerus said
The Western world's population would be declining if not for immigration. The problem isn't that people are having too many children, the problem is that the wrong people are having too many children.

If I said that I think that a mod would have me decapitated.

The Nexerus said
The Western world's population would be declining if not for immigration. The problem isn't that people are having too many children, the problem is that the wrong people are having too many children.

If I said that I think that a mod would have me decapitated.

The Nexerus said
The Western world's population would be declining if not for immigration. The problem isn't that people are having too many children, the problem is that the wrong people are having too many children.

If I said that I think that a mod would have me decapitated.

Hey Actraiser. I have a question.

Are you God?

I'm going to assume that the answer is "no". And if you're not God, then you don't decide who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell, so stop acting like you can.

Because if I were you, I wouldn't be telling God how to do His job.

I don't even care that your posts are a week old. I feel this needed to be said.

Kaga said I feel this needed to be said.

That needs to be said to most people, honestly. Stop fucking worrying about it. It's not your problem. I mean sure, share the love, etc., but (speaking from a Christian background) Jesus is pretty straightforward about who gets to be the judge (hint: it's not you).

Generic 'you.'

Kaga said
Hey Actraiser. I have a question. Are you God?I'm going to assume that the answer is "no". And if you're not God, then you don't decide who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell, so stop acting like you can.Because if I were you, I wouldn't be telling God how to do His job. I don't even care that your posts are a week old. I feel this needed to be said.

I'm going to just echo words of Evie, from V for Vendetta, and say "Are you a crazy person?" To both of you, because that's exactly how you sound right now.

Christianize the Catholic Church

i lol'd soooo fucking much

i think there is a reason for the Catholic Church to not be FULLY Christianized (ON THEIR TERMS). see, they are technically a bit Christianized (FUCK I DIDNT GET SOME OF THIS WORDED RIGHT). Catholics believe similar things to evangelicals, such as the fact that God is three-in-one. (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.) they also agree that Jesus is God the Son in a humanized form.

BUT, A VERY VERY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE is that they have a different thing of how people should be accepted into Heaven and such. See, evangelicals believe that anyone who has true faith in Jesus "if they trust him with their lives and follow him - then they are made totally acceptable to God because of Jesus’ death (Romans 3:23-26)" also, "it doesn’t depend on how good a life we live but only on our trust in Jesus. If we follow Jesus, we are guaranteed a place in Heaven when we die (Luke 23:43)." Catholics, though, believe that a spot in Heaven determines the life they have lived. So, if they have lived a good life (in their terms) then they should be in Heaven.

Another is that evangelicals believe that in the Bible, God speaks to them about himself and how he wants them to live. Catholics also believe that he speaks through the teaching of the Catholic Church and the Pope. There's big differences. That's why there's a difference between thee beliefs of Evangelicals and Catholics. And that's why they have different view on true Christianity.

So, they probably seperated based on these core differences, and made this...fuckin' Catholic Chruch. THEY WILL ALSO POSSIBLY NEVER CHANGE THEIR VIEW ON CHRISTIANITY.

fuck, too shitty can't understand, different views on christianity, technically two types, they are christianized in a/two way(s), in their way, and slightly in the evangelical/your way.

Coming from an atheist POV, I may not know about christianity and how to word shit about religion, so sorry if it's hard to understand. Very sorry.

I was getting ready to write an essay, but then I deleted it for the sake of all our sanity. Let's spark-notes this bitch.

BUT, A VERY VERY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE is that they have a different thing of how people should be accepted into Heaven and such. See, evangelicals believe that anyone who has true faith in Jesus "if they trust him with their lives and follow him - then they are made totally acceptable to God because of Jesus’ death (Romans 3:23-26)" also, "it doesn’t depend on how good a life we live but only on our trust in Jesus. If we follow Jesus, we are guaranteed a place in Heaven when we die (Luke 23:43)." Catholics, though, believe that a spot in Heaven determines the life they have lived. So, if they have lived a good life (in their terms) then they should be in Heaven.

Not.... really. What you're describing here is 'pre-determination' or 'pre-destination' -- put as simply as I dare, that means that God already knows who's going to choose to become a good ol' christian man or woman, and helps them become that good person. That's a fairly common doctrine in both protestant/evangelical circles and in catholicism -- sometimes attributed to something called 'Calvinism,' which you couldn't possibly need to know anything about. Point being -- you're sort of slipping a bit at the end there, because (to the best of my knowledge) Catholics don't teach that good people 'should be in Heaven.' Well -- they would, if there were such a thing as 'good people,' but Catholicism incorporates (well, originated, actually) the idea of 'original sin.' In other words, there's no such thing as 'living a good life' without first accepting the unrequited merciful forgiveness of God. Us christians are all pretty much on the same page there -- salvation is a gift, not something you earn by doing good stuff (ephesians 2:8-9).

Where evangelical christianity and catholicism differ is in the delivery of that grace, and to understand that you have to look at ancient Judaism, where atonement for sins was carried out by (among other things, which you can read in detail in Leviticus, if you're feeling morbid) animal sacrifice. It's pretty much what you expect. Now if you were a Hebrew person who wanted to be forgiven for your sins in the eyes of god, you had to take your sacrifice to the priest (high priest? High priests got involved at some point, I forget), who would then conduct a religious rite, which would absolve you of your sins. Why does that matter? Well, because Catholicism continues that notion of priesthood, where evangelical/protestant christianity does not. Here's what I mean. When a Catholic person wants to be forgiven for his sins, he or she goes to the local church and confesses to a real actual priest. The act of confession is akin to the Hebrew person bringing in a lamb for sacrifice (although it's much, much better for the sheep). The priest then conducts a religious rite, which absolves you of your sins in the eyes of god (the confess-ee, once forgiven, must then atone, which is a whole other things, but let's ignore that for now). When a protestant wants to be forgiven for his sins, he closes his eyes, folds his hands, and says "Hey, J-man, hook a brother up, I done messed up on my parole." That role of priest (High priest? I still forget) is being filled by none other than Jesus Christ, trans-dimensional metagod (That's in the book of Hebrews, but I think I paraphrased).

To simplify further -- for a Catholic, church is where you go to be forgiven. For a protestant, church is where you go when you are forgiven. Catholic services are ceremony; protestants are sermon. Liturgy, vs. academic. Structural vs. personal. There's no such thing as a baptist bishop. These are the differences between catholicism and evangelicals (I always call us Protestants, and I'm not sure I've typed the word 'Evangelical' this many times in a day, like, ever). In all scripture-based teaching, it is explicitly spelt out that no amount of being a good person who does good things 'gets you into heaven;' so far as I know, we're all on the same page of that hymnal. I said spark-notes, didn't I? That's the scary part. This is shorter.

okey
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ActRaiserTheReturned said
I'm going to just echo words of Evie, from V for Vendetta, and say "Are you a crazy person?" To both of you, because that's exactly how you sound right now.

We're crazy because we're not sitting around trying to tell God how to do HIs job?

Whatever you say, dude.