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:( Suicide by cop...
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Revans Exile said That "kid" is guilty of smoking pot,


You... you mean he smoked a plant? O_O



Revans Exile said That "kid" was a useless piece of trash who deserved to die.


Having made one mistake with the police does not count you as being useless trash.

And regardless, an officer's actions must be based on the actions of the specific situation taking place, not any kind of bias of the individuals involved, and not on any actions unrelated to the moment/incident in question.

Omega said For those who have not heard there has been another shooting in the St. Louis area with a man shot and killed by cops.For those who do not wish to watch, the video depicts Kajieme Powell, a 25 year old man who had just performed a robbery with the apparent intent of drawing police to his location and had his friend tape the encounter. When the police arrived they exited with guns draw at which point Powell drew a knife and walked towards them exclaiming "Shoot me." The cops told him to get back repeatedly, however, he did not comply and after closing to within a few feet both cops began firing with approximately ten shots being in rapid succession at close range killing Powell.


I physically can't watch it... Every time I click "confirm" it simply re-loads the page warning me about violent content.

So assuming that description is accurate, that's just a case of suicide by cop... Not nearly as debatable as the case here.
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It's still tragic, Gwazi. This whole situation is tragic.
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Both cases are still tragic, definitely.

It's just that one's a lot more clear cut on what happened than the other is.
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Since his journalistic integrity was a hefty part of this conversation earlier -- here's the latest from Don Lemon.



Does it seem to anybody else like he might be tough to be around, when he's in warmode?
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Magic Magnum said
You... you mean he smoked a plant? O_OHaving made one mistake with the police does not count you as being useless trash.And regardless, an officer's actions must be based on the actions of the specific situation taking place, not any kind of bias of the individuals involved, and not on any actions unrelated to the moment/incident in question.I physically can't watch it... Every time I click "confirm" it simply re-loads the page warning me about violent content.So assuming that description is accurate, that's just a case of suicide by cop... Not nearly as debatable as the case here.


When I heard about it and first saw the video assumed it to be mostly irrelevant until I saw it being consistently used to attack the police in the area with people claiming the police in the video overreacted and tieing it to the Fergusson shooting.
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Both cases are still tragic, definitely.It's just that one's a lot more clear cut on what happened than the other is.


Given the police officer sustained serious head injuries (a broken eye socket), and given that Michael Brown attacked the officer to begin with, aaand given witnesses are coming forth and confirming this (not to mention the forensic evidence on Brown's own body)... well, from all I've heard, it seems pretty clear what we have here is indeed another Trayvon Martin case. A justified shooting, in this case a police officer defending his life from a brutal attacker intent on getting his gun.

However, given this is not over, who knows what the final "verdict" will be. Unfortunately, just like in the Martin case, there will be people who will refuse to believe "the truth" of the matter. Because they believe their "truth" is real, even if it is just a "myth". A proven falsehood. In other words, a lose/lose situation.

In either case, a tragedy, if not a travesty.
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Omega said When I heard about it and first saw the video assumed it to be mostly irrelevant until I saw it being consistently used to attack the police in the area with people claiming the police in the video overreacted and tieing it to the Fergusson shooting.


Well obviously there will be people who take this case and scream stuff such as "Whiteriarchy!" over it.
But that doesn't change that simply looking at the fact dismisses it almost instantly.

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Given the police officer sustained serious head injuries (a broken eye socket), and given that Michael Brown attacked the officer to begin with, aaand given witnesses are coming forth and confirming this (not to mention the forensic evidence on Brown's own body)... well, from all I've heard, it seems pretty clear what we have here is indeed another Trayvon Martin case. A justified shooting, in this case a police officer defending his life from a brutal attacker intent on getting his gun.However, given this is not over, who knows what the final "verdict" will be. Unfortunately, just like in the Martin case, there will be people who will refuse to believe "the truth" of the matter. Because they believe their "truth" is real, even if it is just a "myth". A proven falsehood. In other words, a lose/lose situation.In either case, a tragedy, if not a travesty.


Like I said in my initial post, I only came in with knowledge from OP links and skimming other's post.
Where stuff like bodily damaged was rarely or never mentioned.

If forensic evidence can show though that the police were physically assaulted by the kid in such a way though, this case does honestly become much clearer.
I would not give eye witness testimony any credit though.

Have you ever done the exercise in school where all the student's sit in a line, one side says a sentence and it's passed down to the other end? If so, do you remember how the other side always comes out with something completely different? Eye witness testimony is proven to be one of, if not the least reliable pieces of evidence we have.
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I fully expect everyone who accused the officer, if that evidence is true, to apologize for denying the officer presumption of innocence.
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Omega said
For those who have not heard there has been another shooting in the St. Louis area with a man shot and killed by cops.For those who do not wish to watch, the video depicts Kajieme Powell, a 25 year old man who had just performed a robbery with the apparent intent of drawing police to his location and had his friend tape the encounter. When the police arrived they exited with guns draw at which point Powell drew a knife and walked towards them exclaiming "Shoot me." The cops told him to get back repeatedly, however, he did not comply and after closing to within a few feet both cops began firing with approximately ten shots being in rapid succession at close range killing Powell.


I understand that he had a knife and was walking towards them, but you don't need to shot at him ten times. I think that one or two shots in the leg would get him back to reality, but shoot him ten times, that doesn't make any fucking sense. Oh wait, we are talking about American cops after all.

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I fully expect everyone who accused the officer, if that evidence is true, to apologize for denying the officer presumption of innocence.


I aren't going to apologize to the officer, who shot him way more times than I would. But, if you're the American citizen, that thinks that black people are crazy as fuck, then you should have a hard look at your self.
I believe that the cops shouldn't aim to kill, but aim to harm. Which means shooting in the leg not at the head at the first shot, but we are talking about America here. Also, China is using this event to talk some sense to America, which is funny and China has good points.
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Here we are on that "Chute 2 Wund!" kick again.

They waited until he was a few feet away and warned him of the consequences earlier. A leg shot is a harder shot to make and if they miss, they risk a ricochet along the ground, which is extremely dangerous. A center of mass shot would more likely hit and if it missed, travel in a predictable line to a wall. As for the number of times, probably multiple officers shot him.
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So Boerd said
Here we are on that "Chute 2 Wund!" kick again.

They waited until he was a few feet away and warned him of the consequences earlier. A leg shot is a harder shot to make and if they miss, they risk a ricochet along the ground, which is extremely dangerous. A center of mass shot would more likely hit and if it missed, travel in a predictable line to a wall. As for the number of times, probably multiple officers shot him.


Well, I understand that a leg shot would be easy to miss, but what about the hip? It isn't that hard to miss unless that officer sucks at shooting a gun and it would being down the person for such. I mean, why don't they just of talked to him and then another officer for the behind jumps on him and arrests him. And, are you the person, that takes classes on how to shoot a gun and the changes of hitting the target or did you just Google some shit and found your answer there?
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I believe that the cops shouldn't aim to kill, but aim to harm. Which means shooting in the leg not at the head at the first shot, but we are talking about America here. Also, China is using this event to talk some sense to America, which is funny and China has good points


Officer Wilson had a broken eye socket. Meaning, his eye was fixed and unable to focus. Why do you think his aim was so horrendous? He had double vision as a result of a fixed eye. Even if by some miracle he hit Michael in the leg, Michael could still beat him in a fistfight. He's dizzy, seeing double, and has precious feet before this giant man is on him. If he doesn't act, he's going to die. Have you ever been in mortal danger?
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I understand that he had a knife and was walking towards them, but you don't need to shot at him ten times. I think that one or two shots in the leg would get him back to reality, but shoot him ten times, that doesn't make any fucking sense. Oh wait, we are talking about American cops after all.


If I was in one of those officer's situations, I would shoot until the person was on the ground. Pretty reasonable. The guy wanted to die by cops and certainly got what he wanted.

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I aren't going to apologize to the officer, who shot him way more times than I would. But, if you're the American citizen, that thinks that black people are crazy as fuck, then you should have a hard look at your self.I believe that the cops shouldn't aim to kill, but aim to harm. Which means shooting in the leg not at the head at the first shot, but we are talking about America here.


In America using lethal force to only harm or injure is a great way to get sent to jail. There have been successful prosecutions in the past that use the case "If you felt you were in enough danger to justify lethal force to defend yourself why did you just shoot them in the leg/arm?"

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Also, China is using this event to talk some sense to America, which is funny and China has good points.



Funny indeed.
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Well, I understand that a leg shot would be easy to miss, but what about the hip? It isn't that hard to miss unless that officer sucks at shooting a gun and it would being down the person for such. I mean, why don't they just of talked to him and then another officer for the behind jumps on him and arrests him. And, are you the person, that takes classes on how to shoot a gun and the changes of hitting the target or did you just Google some shit and found your answer there?


I refuse to force police officers, some of whom have wives and children, to risk their lives to save a suicidal loon trying to kill them.
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Not to mention, shooting the hip is a fantastic way to sever the femoral artery or hit the aorta, both of which would be shortly fatal.
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Officer Wilson had a broken eye socket. Meaning, his eye was fixed and unable to focus. Why do you think his aim was so horrendous? He had double vision as a result of a fixed eye. Even if by some miracle he hit Michael in the leg, Michael could still beat him in a fistfight. He's dizzy, seeing double, and has precious feet before this giant man is on him. If he doesn't act, he's . Have you ever been in mortal danger?


Well, If Wilson had a broken eye socket and was beaten, shouldn't he be tired and not be able to move due to the eye. And what about the other officers? Could they just hit him with batons and shit? Wait, we still talking about America, right?

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I refuse to force police officers, some of whom have wives and children, to risk their lives to save a suicidal loon trying to kill them.


Well, the officers know the risks of going to work each day and If I was a officer (and I would never be), I would not kill the bad guys. Ever.

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If I was in one of those officer's situations, I would shoot until the person was on the ground. Pretty reasonable.

The guy wanted to die by cops and certainly got what he wanted. In America using lethal force to only harm or injure is a great way to get sent to jail. There have been successful prosecutions in the past that use the case "If you felt you were in enough danger to justify lethal force to defend yourself why did you just shoot them in the leg/arm?"

Funny indeed.


1) Well, but shooting the leg or the hip, that person would be on the ground and crying for him mother.
2) It's sad that if you only use force to injure person rather than kill them (which I don't ever want to do). But after all, we are talking about America here.
3) Come on, it's funny that other countries are talking the truth issues in America. Even Russia and Iraq, talked some sense to them.
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So Boerd said
Not to mention, shooting the hip is a fantastic way to sever the femoral artery or hit the aorta, both of which would be shortly fatal.


I believe that you just googled on effects shooting the hip or have books based on the human body.
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Police are not allowed to aim for the leg or other extremities unless there are extenuating circumstances, it is considered cruel to shoot someone in the leg as it can then be argued lethal force was not necessary to inflict on the person if they could be disabled with a likely non-fatal shot.
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