Anyone dying as much as I am?! Why do they keep pushing the date back. T_T

Basically, I opened this discussion so we could discuss theories.... XD If you don't like spoilers and haven't played the first two games and expansions you probably don't want to be here. ^_^

Dragon age discussion? Hell yes!

My theory is that because Bioware was brought by EA they conseqeunsely sold their souls to the devil and now relish in pushing back dates and building up suspense in their games but ultimately leading to only two endings.

Can they just put it out today instead?

Vortex said
Dragon age discussion? Hell yes!My theory is that because Bioware was brought by EA they conseqeunsely sold their souls to the devil and now relish in pushing back dates and building up suspense in their games but ultimately leading to only two endings.

Maybe, and this is just a radical thought here, bro.

They want to improve on it?

Nephriel said
Anyone dying as much as I am?! Why do they keep pushing the date back. T_T

Basically, I opened this discussion so we could discuss theories.... XD If you don't like spoilers and haven't played the first two games and expansions you probably don't want to be here. ^_^

Not exactly dying because there's games I want just as much out before hand. I take delaying as a good thing, it means they want to spend a bit more time on their work and get it up to snuff.

Darog the Badger God said
Maybe, and this is just a radical thought here, bro.They want to improve on it?

What are you talking about? Thats a fucking stupid idea!

I am engaged in this conversation.

I can't wait for this game! I'm still disappointed I can't play a dual-wield warrior again though.

I think that the first couple times they really were trying to improve on the game and make it epic on a grander scale... Unfortunately, this last time I think it was just grandstanding, it was their way of building more hype for the game. Sadly, it works cuz I'm dying for this game to be out... I've seen others out and I'm not really interested in them.

>.> Anyone have any heated opinions on the Flemmeth / Morrigan is good / bad business? I know I do.

I'm honestly glad whenever Bioware delays a release. It shows they are paying attention to the quality and aren't just rushing a release like with what happened with Mass Effect 3.

I loved the first game, was fine with the second (gameplay was definitely smoother) and I'm interested in the third. But I'll wait before getting it because I don't really trust EA enough anymore to buy a game right off the bat from them.

As for Flemmeth and Morrigan?
I think Flemmeth has some respect for things like magic and fate, and recognizes when something is a danger to her. But ultimately is an evil woman who always puts herself first in the end. She's just smart about it.

Morrigan on the other hand? I see her as selectively good and evil. She was can really selfish, cruel and wicked to most people. But there are those who she will turn around and be good and caring for. Not in a traditional kiss up way, still in a very "I am Independent and Wicked" sort of way, but you can tell she ultimately does care for some people's wellbeing.

Anyone have any heated opinions on the Flemmeth / Morrigan is good / bad business? I know I do.
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Speaking of Flemeth can somebody explain to me how I killed her in DAO but she showed up in the first 5 minutes of DA2?

Vortex said
Speaking of Flemeth can somebody explain to me how I killed her in DAO but she showed up in the first 5 minutes of DA2?

Hawke and her family are escaping the Fifth Blight as it reached Lothering in the first scene. That part predated the Warden killing Flemeth.

Oh. OH. So it did! Cant believe I didn't figure that one out myself

Actually, in my playthrough killing Flemmeth didn't happen till quite some time after Lothering was destroyed. I guess they figured most people wouldn't have already gotten Morrigan to trust them enough to ask them to kill her that early. Honestly, she never asked me till I had her approval almost maxed out. I was already in Orzammar.

Nephriel said
Actually, in my playthrough killing Flemmeth didn't happen till quite some time after Lothering was destroyed. I guess they figured most people wouldn't have already gotten Morrigan to trust them enough to ask them to kill her that early. Honestly, she never asked me till I had her approval almost maxed out. I was already in Orzammar.

Most people, if not everyone doesn't kill Flemeth right after Lothering.

At least not without cheat codes, and that shouldn't count for canon story timelines or anything.

After what we saw in dragon age 2 I am extremely wary of Flemeth now. And possibly Morgan especially if she has the child with the soul of the old gods. My warden commander has enough influence on people in the land that if he needs to he can come back and stop any conflicts that may arise in Ferelden or Amaranthine. My Hawke can likewise help with the mage situation. However with that being noted there are a lot of variables that are unaccounted for and could lead to many problems especially if Anora is sitting on the throne alone or an unhardened Alister is.

Going with my playthough I have this situation:

Rogue Human Noble Warden married to Anora, Warden Commander, did the dark ritual, solved the problem between the wolves and the elves without killing either camp in mass, put the aeducan on the throne, sided with the mages (I think). He spared Amarathine and fully upgraded the keep. He stopped the harvester and didn't go with Morgan. Unhardened Alister, saved Arl Eamon's family, and was otherwise a pretty generous dude.

Though this is not my decided character my last character from Dragon Age 2 was a warrior whom sided with the mages and kept Fenris alive. He was practical above everything and didn't pull punches against everyone but Fenris didn't get his quest resolved and he didn't hand over anyone to the Arishok of the Quanari.

What makes you worry if an unhardened Alistair is on the throne?

He may not be able to make harder choices or be undesisive meaning he may end up losing territory or more lives in the process. Anora may not have the charisma needed to hold people together or piss off the collective amount of people. It comes down to the ruler being able to quickly, efficiently, and effectively hold off the enemies in the upcoming titles while holding onto the people's hearts as a charismatic leader. While an unhardened Alistair may be able to hold the throne via his charisma he may lose it without the help of a hero like Hawke or a future protagonist. And even then he may end up making bad choices based on his morality or anger.

Perhaps. I am a big believer in the logic > emotion idea, especially in regards to tough decisions.

However Alistar's hardening never gave me the impression that he traded emotions for logic, he just seemed to become cold. He was far more negative generally and that's it, still rampant with emotion but in the other direction. That can be even worse because now everything he does is fueled by anger or bitterness, there won't be the motivation there to drive him to protect people which is ultimately what will be needed to help keep a kingdom together and keep people inspired.

I mean, Alistair always seemed logical and realistic to me. He just didn't like said logic and realism get in the way of his charm or him having a good time.

What about him saying that we should kill Loghain instead of turning him into a warden just to sacrifice him to the archdemon. That seems like a fair deal. it isn't giving him an honor it's giving him a death sentence without risking anyone else. The only way to do so otherwise is to force him to marry Anora and then have him leave the party. As for his hardened state maybe but I've never really given it much thought since I usually play the human male warden and marry Anora to keep her in check without worrying about Alistair's personal problems. Likewise I wonder how people are going to deal with Morgan if they DIDN'T make the ritual their thing and instead sacrificed Alistair or Loghain instead.