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Pepperm1nts said
It's pretty good in comparison to everyone else. It think it's fine the way it is. Besides, this is a game. Some of our stats have to start somewhat low, otherwise what would be the point of upgrading them? Not to mention balance is important. Plus, Prussia's already got a good army, no need to make it even better without you actually working for it.


By this logic, divide the British navy by four.
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Your equipment is better than everyone else, with the exception of the UK, France and the US. You are not exactly hurting.

EDIT: The UK and France are also empires. You are not.
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The truth is the truth. If the UK gets a navy commensurate to its historical strength, which I by no means begrudge, Prussia gets its army.
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EDIT: The UK and France are also empires. You are not.


The Ottomans are an empire. That has literally nothing to do with anything.
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An Empire in decline. The UK and France are still very strong, and therefore able to field the military with better equipment. Prussia is a state that is still on the climb and is far from being anywhere on the level of the UK and France.
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Prussia already possesses the best army level, and its equipment level is the fourth best. I would say their historical strength is represented as it were.
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An Empire in decline. The UK and France are still very strong, and therefore able to field the military with better equipment. Prussia is a state that is still on the climb and is far from being anywhere on the level of the UK and France.


That's an inane argument. Because
1. We have real history, so we don't need theory. Real history says Prussia has the best service rifle and fantastic artillery.
2. Prussia walked up and down France ten years in the future.
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You don't need good equipment to win a war against somebody. The fact that Prussia defeated France in real life is, if anything, a testament to their excellent leadership and strategy - which, by the way, is well-represented here with an army level superior to everyone else.

EDIT: Call back when you have a colonial empire and all the benefits of France and the UK.
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You don't need good equipment to win a war against somebody. The fact that Prussia defeated France in real life is, if anything, a testament to their excellent leadership and strategy - which, by the way, is well-represented here with an army level superior to everyone else.


That does not alter the truth. Nobody is saying that the British navy should take a cut compared to reality. And considering the odds of Britain getting navally gangbanged are far lower than Prussia's odds of getting multifront invaded, an argument far stronger than "You are strong enough because reasons" is needed to negate reality.
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You don't need good equipment to win a war against somebody. The fact that Prussia defeated France in real life is, if anything, a testament to their excellent leadership and strategy - which, by the way, is well-represented here with an army level superior to everyone else.EDIT: Call back when you have a colonial empire and all the benefits of France and the UK.


Theory<Reality.
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I have a good chance of getting invaded from multiple fronts too. Should I get better equipment?
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I have a good chance of getting invaded from multiple fronts too. Should I get better equipment?


Is that what reality says? Let's check.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_rifle

Nope.
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You're ignoring the point.

EDIT: Plus, as stated before, you are already damn strong. Highest army level by far, and the fourth best equipment. I honestly believe Prussia is well-represented as it is.

EDIT2: I'm going to end the argument here though. I don't want Ab to come back to this and slam the hammer down on both of us.
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You're ignoring the point.


I'm not ignoring the point. If I was say, Nepal or Liechtenstein, where A) There is much less reliable historical information and B) I would lose any war no matter what. Therefore Nepalese accuracy in equipment is not worth the effort of even the act of editing, let alone GM independent research. However, the circumstances for Prussia are far different, therefore, the argument that "You are strong enough because reasons" doesn't fly, as Prussian accuracy to reality has broad implications. We play WiR to play reality as best as we can.
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Just wondering, why didn't you complain about this in the last RP? Why is this suddenly so important to you? I said I'd stop arguing about this, so I won't push further than this. But honestly, I sincerely believe Prussia is accurately represented here. You're trying to pretend a rifle is all 'equipment' accounts for. It's not.
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Just wondering, why didn't you complain about this in the last RP? Why is this suddenly so important to you? I said I'd stop arguing about this, so I won't push further than this. But honestly, I sincerely believe Prussia is accurately represented here. You're trying to pretend a rifle is all 'equipment' accounts for. It's not.


Because I hadn't done my due dilligence. What I did do was ask Outcast to more than quadruple Austria's population on the eve of war as my research turned that up. What I have done is ask Mexico be accurately high so a competitor can takeover the largest silver producer in the world. The truth is the truth.
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Pepperm1nts said You're trying to pretend a rifle is all 'equipment' accounts for. It's not.


Given the nature of war, it is an enormous factor. The Krupp guns (artillery) were the first steel guns.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_gun
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Boerd and Pepper, grow up and stop this shit before you're ban by Ab.
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Rare said
Boerd and Pepper, grow up and stop this shit before you're ban (and I take over your countries or someone else does).


Actually, this discourse has been quite adult and I appreciate the respect Pepper has shown me. A mutual presentation of facts and an amicable back and forth,
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So Boerd said
Actually, this discourse has been quite adult and I appreciate the respect Pepper has shown me. A mutual presentation of facts and an amicable back and forth,


You're fighting over nothing but status and how 'realism' and 'unrealism' this game is. That isn't very 'adult' like and I say that you should stop before Ab ban hammers you both.
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