Archmage MC said
Well she does have super strength, so yeah, she has SOME offensive capability :P. And maybe down the line she can use the defensive capabilties for... defense of others unlike now. Plus down the line, maybe portable hole. Lots of growth still.Unrelated note, a person can only create portals as their only ability, these portals can be created along any sightlines they have, and are created at the point they designate instead of say, like the portal gun where its a projectile that makes the portal (The latter can still work though) How would you deem this ability? UP, OP or balanced?

*le sigh* If she cannot be killed then I'm telling you here and now, I will take more mortal characters as more powerful than her. No way am I going to allow her to not die but also have the capability of seriously injuring/killing someone. That is the very essence of OP.

I guess I would allow someone to make portals with limited range (so for example, you can't link a portal with the moon and pull everyone into a vacuum). It depends how it's done but if it's done right, it'll be balanced.

AcerRo said
Anyone get the feeling me and roze are going to be blamed for Aster and anyone else going ape shit on non metas?

Your feeling is correct, for the most part. :D

And regarding the Immortality issue, I'm kinda against it, especially considering that it'll take a Spirit Bomb or Black Hole to kill your Char. I mean, do we even have a char that can let off an attack like that? No, I don't think we do, because that would also be considered OP. I get that she's weak where endurance is concerned but if you can't kill her through conventional or even unconventional means, then she's essentially an non-kill-able troll.

I guess the exact problem is that not many people are fond of Immortality, even despite how non-effective she is at fighting.

Letter Bee said
That's actually the ability of one of my NPCs, Gary Stuart.

Congrats, you can oneshot everyone in the RP who isn't Light. :P

NarcissisticPotato said
I guess I would allow someone to make portals with limited range (so for example, you can't link a portal with the moon and pull everyone into an vacuum. It depends how it's done but if it's done right, it'll be balanced.

That ability is wayyy more powerful than what she has. Very quick example, conjure a portal inside their body or a small portal in the direction of motion they're traveling. Now if they move an inch, internal organs are coming out of said portal, meaning instant death if the portal is made inside their brain or around their head. If its a projectile that makes said portal, same thing still happens, just make the portal smaller than the body that will fit through it, the mini wormhole will have the same effect, just from the outside inwards.

My days of DnD have showed me almost anything can be a game breaker if you use it the right way. Summon bug -> Summon Golden bug. congrats, your a lvl 1 spellcaster thats causing everyone else to have a deathroll. :P. Same way I can think of a counter to nearly any OP power.

And regarding the Immortality issue, I'm kinda against it, especially considering that it'll take a Spirit Bomb or Black Hole to kill your Char. I mean, do we even have a char that can let off an attack like that? No, I don't think we do, because that would also be considered OP. I get that she's weak where endurance is concerned but if you can't kill her through conventional or even unconventional means, then she's essentially an non-kill-able troll.

Still don't see the problem. Knock her out and lock her up, same result. dunno why death has to be the end all to be all thing.

Double post.

Archmage MC said
Congrats, you can oneshot everyone in the RP who isn't Light. :PThat ability is wayyy more powerful than what she has. Very quick example, conjure a portal inside their body or a small portal in the direction of motion they're traveling. Now if they move an inch, internal organs are coming out of said portal, meaning instant death if the portal is made inside their brain or around their head. If its a projectile that makes said portal, same thing still happens, just make the portal smaller than the body that will fit through it, the mini wormhole will have the same effect, just from the outside inwards.My days of DnD have showed me almost anything can be a game breaker if you use it the right way. Summon bug -> Summon Golden bug. congrats, your a lvl 1 spellcaster thats causing everyone else to have a deathroll. :P.

Yeah, never thought of that, but it would be easy for Gary to not be able to affect people's bodies, or specially shielded equipment.

An ability I once had for an old RP character was that he could create energy rings he could bend and shape, and one of the special properties was that he could connect two rings together in order to create a portal portal-gun style. The limitation was that he had to use pure muscle in order to throw these discs like a frisbee, so while he was a good throw sometimes it would be hard to predict where the other end of a portal would end up with wind and other factors causing it to land somewhere unexpected. He also had razor sharp disc throwing skills of course.

Kalas said
Your feeling is correct, for the most part. :DAnd regarding the Immortality issue, I'm kinda against it, especially considering that it'll take a Spirit Bomb or Black Hole to kill your Char. I mean, do we even have a char that can let off an attack like that? No, I don't think we do, because that would also be considered OP. I get that she's weak where endurance is concerned but if you can't kill her through conventional or even unconventional means, then she's essentially an non-kill-able troll.I guess the problem is that not many people are fond of Immortality, even despite how non-effective she is at fighting.

Technically Cypress could deliver a punch that could kill her but this would require Cypress to speed up to something just short of light-speed. I suppose how you could see something like that as OP.

Archmage MC said
That ability is wayyy more powerful than what she has. Very quick example, conjure a portal inside their body or a small portal in the direction of motion they're traveling. Now if they move an inch, internal organs are coming out of said portal, meaning instant death if the portal is made inside their brain or around their head. If its a projectile that makes said portal, same thing still happens, just make the portal smaller than the body that will fit through it, the mini wormhole will have the same effect, just from the outside inwards.My days of DnD have showed me almost anything can be a game breaker if you use it the right way. Summon bug -> Summon Golden bug. congrats, your a lvl 1 spellcaster thats causing everyone else to have a deathroll. :P.

It would have to have a certain amount of rules with it then, like only allowing portals on inanimate objects or maybe even certain materials? I trust Bee and I don't think that he would make the NPC who's OP. That's only for me to do! (Story Arc 3 spoilers!)

NarcissisticPotato said
*le sigh* If she cannot be killed then I'm telling you here and now, I will take more mortal characters as more powerful than her. No way am I going to allow her to not die but also have the capability of seriously injuring/killing someone. That is the very essence of OP.I guess I would allow someone to make portals with limited range (so for example, you can't link a portal with the moon and pull everyone into a vacuum). It depends how it's done but if it's done right, it'll be balanced.

Your still hung up on the idea that "Oh, I can't hit it until it dies, NERF!" instead of "Oh, I hit it til it passes out, now I toss it in a safe and its out of my hair for awhile. I might need to throw it into another safe after awhile and put some effort, but its still defeated." Hell, add insult to injury and put her in an iron maiden, now she is locked up and in agony. Honestly I don't get this "death is the only way" thing.

Seriously I'm giving you the exact methods to beating her, ruining the fun part of thinking, and your still having problems with it, where the only change is a slight change on how you beat her. What if I just gave her Superman powers, but only Invulnerability and Super Strength? It would be the same exact thing but without comedy and I bet you'd have 0 problems with it. oy...

Sorry, just a bit annoyed at the whole thing.

NarcissisticPotato said
Technically Cypress deliver a punch that could kill her but this would require Cypress to speed up to something just short of light-speed. I suppose how you could see something like that as OP.

It would have to have a certain amount of rules with it then, like only allowing portals on inanimate objects or maybe even certain materials? I trust Bee and I don't think that he would make the NPC who's OP. That's only for me to do! (Story Arc 3 spoilers!)

How about Gary's portals are made up of darkness and can be dispelled by bright, focused light?

Archmage MC said
Your still hung up on the idea that "Oh, I can't hit it until it dies, NERF!" instead of "Oh, I hit it til it passes out, now I toss it in a safe and its out of my hair for awhile. I might need to throw it into another safe after awhile and put some effort, but its still defeated." Hell, add insult to injury and put her in an iron maiden, now she is locked up and in agony. Honestly I don't get this "death is the only way" thing. Seriously I'm giving you the exact methods to beating her, ruining the fun part of thinking, and your still having problems with it, where the only change is a slight change on how you beat her. What if I just gave her Superman powers, but only Invulnerability and Super Strength? It would be the same exact thing but without comedy and I bet you'd have 0 problems with it. oy...

Fine, whatever, go for it! If someone does complain then I'll be having this conversation again. Also, invulnerability is invulnerability. Just because someone is a "toon" won't cause me to have a bias against them and favour a superman character. A superman character is the very opposite of what I want. I'll be keeping an eye on light, don't fuck up, ok?

Letter Bee said
How about Gary's portals are made up of darkness and can be dispelled by bright, focused light?

I'll have to go with Archmage on this one, the potential to kill is very high so I'll only allow it on inanimate objects and can only be shot a certain distance away. Maybe there could be a slight delay as well so he isn't opening portals under people's feet and having another portal at the top of a building?

NarcissisticPotato said
I'll have to go with Archmage on this one, the potential to kill is very high so I'll only allow it on inanimate objects and can only be shot a certain distance away. Maybe there could be a slight delay as well so he isn't opening portals under people's feet and having another portal at the top of a building?

Considering it took my "break an otherwise balanced power" example to show you that guy was broken, you might as well list out all the powers everyone has and I can tell you how they can be game breakers... Might be a bunch more just sitting there without you noticing.

And for future reference. I like to make my characters based around the City of Heroes style of hero making. One major offense power, one major defense power, a unique power, and maybe a power for travel. In Light's case its Super Strength/Toon Regen/Reality Shift/None I just split up toon physics and toon regen to make them more clear, but they're mostly the same thing.

NarcissisticPotato said
\I'll have to go with Archmage on this one, the potential to kill is very high so I'll only allow it on inanimate objects and can only be shot a certain distance away. Maybe there could be a slight delay as well so he isn't opening portals under people's feet and having another portal at the top of a building?

Dangit; on my PM collab with Rumiko, my NPC already used his portal on himself to enter a room - he thought it was flashier.

Thankfully, it isn't posted yet, so I'll Retcon it.

With Archmage and Yog I want to see that they get tired. I can live with everything else. I'd like Yog to be physically harmed but if he shows a human limit I can live with it.

My god you guys took off pretty quickly! I gotta keep up.

Making a post ASAP!

Archmage MC said
Considering it took my "break an otherwise balanced power" example to show you that guy was broken, you might as well list out all the powers everyone has and I can tell you how they can be game breakers... Might be a bunch more just sitting there without you noticing.And for future reference. I like to make my characters based around the City of Heroes style of hero making. One major offense power, one major defense power, a unique power, and maybe a power for travel. In Light's case its Super Strength/Toon Regen/Reality Shift/None I just split up toon physics and toon regen to make them more clear, but they're mostly the same thing.

I know the difference between OP abilities and balanced abilities, thank you very much. The portal thing I didn't realise because I was under the impression that you had to physically fire it! Also, I might try put a list together for all the characters but it would have to be on something that was easy to access and you don't have to go through a bunch of pages to get it!

Letter Bee said
Dangit; on my PM collab with Rumiko, my NPC already used his portal on himself to enter a room - he thought it was flashier.Thankfully, it isn't posted yet, so I'll Retcon it.

Did Rumiko have anything about what happened to Ruby in that post? I want to post soon and I don't like moving on without seeing what Taylor wanted of Ruby!

AcerRo said
With Archmage and Yog I want to see that they get tired. I can live with everything else. I'd like Yog to be physically harmed but if he shows a human limit I can live with it.

Looks good to me. Archmage, Yog, you've been accepted.

Dun!

This post was more action-packed.

Just letting you guys know, that I'm nearly finished with Aster's attack on the Anti-Meta Rally.

Let me know if you want me to hold off from posting, so that you can post first.

I was trying to get a post down but it got too late on my end. Will post after a bit.

Well I guess turning up late to the party is better than not turning up at all. :D

Also, to whoever that said there hasn't been any killing for a while, if Nightingale and Elijah don't play well, there might be a clash between my character and the duo pretty soon. He's gonna be overwhelmed, but that's how I like my characters; overwhelmed, old and deep down on their piss and blood by the end of the Arc.