*Cries, not knowing anything about 40K, and not nearly enough about Transformers* Man, I need to start being a fan of universes with a higher amount of power and ability. Marvel has the Beyonder. Boom, 'nuff said.

Hm, sounds fun. I'm sure the GEoM would like to have a few words with Unicron, once it becomes obvious that they're dealing with a physical Chaos God (Or something like that. I only vaguely know WH40K myself, so I'm not shooting you down for the sake of it)

So they stop playing nice and actually focus the Imperial Navy. If it's a slugging match, the Imperium wins. They've got too many ships, and something that threatening would have them actually focus the insanity that is its disparate forces. You're trying to take on a sci-fi Empire that inhabits billions of worlds, many of which have far greater populations than modern Earth, with a single planet-sized thing. It's a losing battle.

Basically, the Decepticons and the Autobots combined are just above the total level of the Space Marines. This is not counting the Sisters of Battle, any of the Ordos (Hereticus, Malleus, Xenos), or the Imperial Guard. Unicron would be treated as a major campaign for the Navy, but not any worse than, say, what Cadia deals with every time Abaddon comes a-knocking or what's brewing over at Orktavius. WH40k doesn't focus on naval battles a lot, but just by the fluff, they get to some rip-shit insanity in space.

Your forgetting the 13 original Primes. Each one of them is god-like

So they stop playing nice and actually focus the Imperial Navy. If it's a slugging match, the Imperium wins. They've got too many ships, and something that threatening would have them actually focus the insanity that is its disparate forces. You're trying to take on a sci-fi Empire that inhabits billions of worlds, many of which have far greater populations than modern Earth, with a single planet-sized thing. It's a losing battle.

Basically, the Decepticons and the Autobots combined are just above the total level of the Space Marines. This is not counting the Sisters of Battle, any of the Ordos (Hereticus, Malleus, Xenos), or the Imperial Guard. Unicron would be treated as a major campaign for the Navy, but not any worse than, say, what Cadia deals with every time Abaddon comes a-knocking or what's brewing over at Orktavius. WH40k doesn't focus on naval battles a lot, but just by the fluff, they get to some rip-shit insanity in space.

Your forgetting the 13 original Primes. Each one of them is god-like

Several 40k armies throw actual gods onto the battlefield. Mostly in pieces. They wreck things. Unicron's too small-scale in actual ability to bother the place.

So they stop playing nice and actually focus the Imperial Navy. If it's a slugging match, the Imperium wins. They've got too many ships, and something that threatening would have them actually focus the insanity that is its disparate forces. You're trying to take on a sci-fi Empire that inhabits billions of worlds, many of which have far greater populations than modern Earth, with a single planet-sized thing. It's a losing battle.

Basically, the Decepticons and the Autobots combined are just above the total level of the Space Marines. This is not counting the Sisters of Battle, any of the Ordos (Hereticus, Malleus, Xenos), or the Imperial Guard. Unicron would be treated as a major campaign for the Navy, but not any worse than, say, what Cadia deals with every time Abaddon comes a-knocking or what's brewing over at Orktavius. WH40k doesn't focus on naval battles a lot, but just by the fluff, they get to some rip-shit insanity in space.

Your forgetting the 13 original Primes. Each one of them is god-like

Several 40k armies throw actual gods onto the battlefield. Mostly in pieces. They wreck things. Unicron's too small-scale in actual ability to bother the place.

This god shit is getting confusing

So they stop playing nice and actually focus the Imperial Navy. If it's a slugging match, the Imperium wins. They've got too many ships, and something that threatening would have them actually focus the insanity that is its disparate forces. You're trying to take on a sci-fi Empire that inhabits billions of worlds, many of which have far greater populations than modern Earth, with a single planet-sized thing. It's a losing battle.

Basically, the Decepticons and the Autobots combined are just above the total level of the Space Marines. This is not counting the Sisters of Battle, any of the Ordos (Hereticus, Malleus, Xenos), or the Imperial Guard. Unicron would be treated as a major campaign for the Navy, but not any worse than, say, what Cadia deals with every time Abaddon comes a-knocking or what's brewing over at Orktavius. WH40k doesn't focus on naval battles a lot, but just by the fluff, they get to some rip-shit insanity in space.

Your forgetting the 13 original Primes. Each one of them is god-like

Several 40k armies throw actual gods onto the battlefield. Mostly in pieces. They wreck things. Unicron's too small-scale in actual ability to bother the place.

This god shit is getting confusing

Yup. So forget the god thing, and it's best to just focus on the fact that whilst he IS powerful, he only eats planets at a time, and the Imperium has both billions of those and is liable to blow him up. Thus delaying further planet-eating by stupidly long amounts of time. Much like there's a machine controlling stargod buried in Mars. 40k is weird.

So they stop playing nice and actually focus the Imperial Navy. If it's a slugging match, the Imperium wins. They've got too many ships, and something that threatening would have them actually focus the insanity that is its disparate forces. You're trying to take on a sci-fi Empire that inhabits billions of worlds, many of which have far greater populations than modern Earth, with a single planet-sized thing. It's a losing battle.

Basically, the Decepticons and the Autobots combined are just above the total level of the Space Marines. This is not counting the Sisters of Battle, any of the Ordos (Hereticus, Malleus, Xenos), or the Imperial Guard. Unicron would be treated as a major campaign for the Navy, but not any worse than, say, what Cadia deals with every time Abaddon comes a-knocking or what's brewing over at Orktavius. WH40k doesn't focus on naval battles a lot, but just by the fluff, they get to some rip-shit insanity in space.

Your forgetting the 13 original Primes. Each one of them is god-like

Several 40k armies throw actual gods onto the battlefield. Mostly in pieces. They wreck things. Unicron's too small-scale in actual ability to bother the place.

This god shit is getting confusing

Yup. So forget the god thing, and it's best to just focus on the fact that whilst he IS powerful, he only eats planets at a time, and the Imperium has both billions of those and is liable to blow him up. Thus delaying further planet-eating by stupidly long amounts of time. Much like there's a machine controlling stargod buried in Mars. 40k is weird.

Well ... Unicron is more like the manifestation of evil and chaos. He seeks to return the universe to what it was like before things were things. He does it by devouring not only planets, but Suns and even the fabric of reality itself. I'm not very good at explaining unicron and always get confused. Go to a wiki and research Primus.

So they stop playing nice and actually focus the Imperial Navy. If it's a slugging match, the Imperium wins. They've got too many ships, and something that threatening would have them actually focus the insanity that is its disparate forces. You're trying to take on a sci-fi Empire that inhabits billions of worlds, many of which have far greater populations than modern Earth, with a single planet-sized thing. It's a losing battle.

Basically, the Decepticons and the Autobots combined are just above the total level of the Space Marines. This is not counting the Sisters of Battle, any of the Ordos (Hereticus, Malleus, Xenos), or the Imperial Guard. Unicron would be treated as a major campaign for the Navy, but not any worse than, say, what Cadia deals with every time Abaddon comes a-knocking or what's brewing over at Orktavius. WH40k doesn't focus on naval battles a lot, but just by the fluff, they get to some rip-shit insanity in space.

Your forgetting the 13 original Primes. Each one of them is god-like

Several 40k armies throw actual gods onto the battlefield. Mostly in pieces. They wreck things. Unicron's too small-scale in actual ability to bother the place.

This god shit is getting confusing

Yup. So forget the god thing, and it's best to just focus on the fact that whilst he IS powerful, he only eats planets at a time, and the Imperium has both billions of those and is liable to blow him up. Thus delaying further planet-eating by stupidly long amounts of time. Much like there's a machine controlling stargod buried in Mars. 40k is weird.

Well ... Unicron is more like the manifestation of evil and chaos. He seeks to return the universe to what it was like before things were things. He does it by devouring not only planets, but Suns and even the fabric of reality itself. I'm not very good at explaining unicron and always get confused. Go to a wiki and research Primus.

Thus a conflict with the Imperium would just get him into a direct fight with the Chaos Gods, absolving anyone else of the need to do anything. Problem solved.

Which comes back to God vs God is dumb.

@Prostagma: While this is funny, you need to tweak his first ability so it doesn't trivialize any fights or issues in the RP. Maybe turn it into more of a supernatural tinkering skill? As in he's really good at makeshift solutions that shouldn't work.

But you have Nono, Dianor, Emiya-Archer, the dude from Demonbane, Suwako, Nanoha... don't all of those guys already trivialize combat? I mean, Dianor has an utterly unblockable and untankable conceptual weapon as well as being pretty much immortal and having two super angels backing her, Nono can kick celestial bodies in half and generate black holes, Archer is flat-out unkillable as long as Saber is nearby, Suwako is an extra stage boss in a Touhou game and apparently unkillable here as well, Nanoha had demonstrated on multiple occasions that there is not a single problem in existence she can't bypass via gratuitous beam spam, and Demonbane guy is from Demonbane. It seems a bit odd that "change things that aren't puzzles into puzzles" is considered overpowered when you have guys like that running around. Besides, it doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a perfect solution- if you've ever played an adventure game you've probably noticed that most puzzles tend to end with the protagonist in an even worse position than when he started. Fights are usually solved by bypassing them or just running away. Your average Lucasarts protag (Guybrush Threepwood from the Monkey Island series and Sam from Sam and Max: Hit the Road both come to mind) is functionally unable to be fully beaten, but nearly as incapable of success- those are the kind of characters I'm trying to emulate here.

Which comes back to God vs God is dumb.

Well, neither side would ever win, because if anyone looked like they were about to, the other Chaos Gods would just gang up on them. Endless conflict!

The Necrons can cause any star to go supernova at will. :D They just don't because that really screws up cosmic balance or... Something. It was weird.

Just popping in to Necron-fanboy. They're pretty much the only faction in 40K with a snowball's chance in hell at stopping Chaos. Last I heard, their plan involved screwing with galactic leylines to forcibly and permanently separate the Materium and Immaterium. The effects being twofold: ripping the soul out of every sapient being in the galaxy (possibly excluding themselves), and condemning the Chaos Gods to slowly and painfully starve to death. You can get away with this kind of crap when science for you is forced to abide by the same tabletop rules as magic for everyone else, with such tools as stable time travel at your disposal. Good fun, that.

Which comes back to God vs God is dumb.

Well, neither side would ever win, because if anyone looked like they were about to, the other Chaos Gods would just gang up on them. Endless conflict!

Exactly. God vs God = Everyone else loses

Which comes back to God vs God is dumb.

Well, neither side would ever win, because if anyone looked like they were about to, the other Chaos Gods would just gang up on them. Endless conflict!

Exactly. God vs God = Everyone else loses

40k in a nutshell, right there. :D

Which comes back to God vs God is dumb.

Well, neither side would ever win, because if anyone looked like they were about to, the other Chaos Gods would just gang up on them. Endless conflict!

Exactly. God vs God = Everyone else loses

Nah. If he was fighting Chaos itself, he'd be sequestered in the Immaterium, so the rest of reality wouldn't really notice.

The Necrons can cause any star to go supernova at will. :D They just don't because that really screws up cosmic balance or... Something. It was weird.

Just popping in to Necron-fanboy. They're pretty much the only faction in 40K with a snowball's chance in hell at stopping Chaos. Last I heard, their plan involved screwing with galactic leylines to forcibly and permanently separate the Materium and Immaterium. The effects being twofold: ripping the soul out of every sapient being in the galaxy (possibly excluding themselves), and condemning the Chaos Gods to slowly and painfully starve to death. You can get away with this kind of crap when science for you is forced to abide by the same tabletop rules as magic for everyone else, with such tools as stable time travel at your disposal. Good fun, that.

Necrons don't have any souls. If they had souls, they'd have a presence in the Warp. They don't. :P

@Prostagma: Nono's abilities are strictly limited unless the powerful stuff is absolutely necessary, Dlanor's nerfed outside of the Uminekoverse so that she can be countered by supernatural things, Emiya-Archer isn't actually here(and I'm not sure anything with Saber would work even if Shirou ever gets a post since they're from two different versions of the Nasuverse), Kuzaku(Demonbane) doesn't have access to the really broken stuff Demonbane can do or I would not have accepted him, Suwako is unkillable but I'm pretty certain she can be incapacitated in a serious fight and does not possess any of the real broken Touhou powers, and Nanoha, while very beamspammy, can still be hurt and incapacitated as well. It's not a matter of being overpowered, as well. It's more of a matter of making sure a fight is fun to RP for all involved, which is a bit harder to do when someone can end the fight immediately via solving it like a puzzle. Like I said, I think the character is funny and I like the idea, but I don't want him to be able to instantly end any fight just for the sake of the fights being fun to RP. ... Also, for the whole Unicron issue, he's never showing up in the RP at all. ^^;

Which comes back to God vs God is dumb.

Well, neither side would ever win, because if anyone looked like they were about to, the other Chaos Gods would just gang up on them. Endless conflict!

Exactly. God vs God = Everyone else loses

Nah. If he was fighting Chaos itself, he'd be sequestered in the Immaterium, so the rest of reality wouldn't really notice.

Actually that makes sense. So if I guess correctly, it would become like an infinite tug-of-war as each one tried to pull the other into line. Until Primus comes to break it up and shit goes crazy.

@Prostagma: Nono's abilities are strictly limited unless the powerful stuff is absolutely necessary, Dlanor's nerfed outside of the Uminekoverse so that she can be countered by supernatural things, Emiya-Archer isn't actually here(and I'm not sure anything with Saber would work even if Shirou ever gets a post since they're from two different versions of the Nasuverse), Kuzaku(Demonbane) doesn't have access to the really broken stuff Demonbane can do or I would not have accepted him, Suwako is unkillable but I'm pretty certain she can be incapacitated in a serious fight and does not possess any of the real broken Touhou powers, and Nanoha, while very beamspammy, can still be hurt and incapacitated as well. It's not a matter of being overpowered, as well. It's more of a matter of making sure a fight is fun to RP for all involved, which is a bit harder to do when someone can end the fight immediately via solving it like a puzzle. Like I said, I think the character is funny and I like the idea, but I don't want him to be able to instantly end any fight just for the sake of the fights being fun to RP. ... Also, for the whole Unicron issue, he's never showing up in the RP at all. ^^;

Good. Things usually start to break down when gods are added.

Actually that makes sense. So if I guess correctly, it would become like an infinite tug-of-war as each one tried to pull the other into line. Until Primus comes to break it up and shit goes crazy.

In which case it becomes a seven-way battle for control of the Warp, and nothing actually happens since the Warp is not, strictly speaking, connected to real time and space. It's foolish to say that Unicron can defeat the 40k universe, even if it's EVERY incarnation of Unicron. Let's go back a bit, to when you said Soundwave could quickly defeat Bjorn the Fel-Handed. That one we all can argue.

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Actually that makes sense. So if I guess correctly, it would become like an infinite tug-of-war as each one tried to pull the other into line. Until Primus comes to break it up and shit goes crazy.

In which case it becomes a seven-way battle for control of the Warp, and nothing actually happens since the Warp is not, strictly speaking, connected to real time and space. It's foolish to say that Unicron can defeat the 40k universe, even if it's EVERY incarnation of Unicron. Let's go back a bit, to when you said Soundwave could quickly defeat Bjorn the Fel-Handed. That one we all can argue.

If Soundwave requires a way, he will find a way. Or he could just get someone more powerful than Bjorn to fight it for him. And I never mentioned Bjorn directly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Superman will probably need to be nerfed. Based on what I know from Superman