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The Fifth Holy Grail War. Fuyuki City was once again thrown into disarray as another series of battles were waged between historical and mythological figures of all kind. During this cycle, however, a completely fictional character who should not exist had also been summoned into reality. Taking note of this intriguing outcome, Kirei Kotomine began exploring the potentials of fictional Servants being brought into existence; partly for his own curiosity, partly for investment for future Grail Wars... in case his schemes for the Fifth War were to fail. In secret, Kirei began researching extensively into Zelretch's Second Magic, specifically the opening of portals into parallel worlds. He also gathered information about the legendary "Kaleidoscope", the means to opening said portals, and after exhaustive effort, he even made himself a decent replica. However, being a cheap imitation, the tool did not summon the specific portal he had in mind, and a being from another world was led into his...
Rather than being alarmed, Kirei was curious, as he usually was. He learned about the existence of Incubators, their lack of emotions, and most interestingly, the 'heat-death' of the universe, when all existing energy has spread out to colder sources to the very point that heat ceases to flow in all places, and in turn, the creature also explained its solution of incorporating human emotions as a means to solve the entropic apocalypse, particularly those of pubescent girls. When Kirei offered an explanation of his own world, as well as the Holy Grail Wars, he could have sworn that a tiny smirk had appeared on the creature's smug little face. Kyubey was equally intrigued by this exchange of data, and it learned about the summoning of fictional Servants, as well as the battle royale that took place at least every sixty years. And when Kirei explained the reason Kyubey had entered into his reality, its smirk grew into a fully-arched grin. It made a proposal of sorts to grant Kirei the power of the Second Magic, provided that he offered knowledge of this 'Holy Grail War' in return. When their business had reached a satisfying conclusion for both, Kirei, out of his insatiable curiosity, had to ask, "How did you acquire such a magnificent power to traverse through worlds?", and it merely answered...
"I had a little help."
This is a work in progress idea of a crossover between Fate/Stay Night and Madoka Magica, possibly one of the most popular "Fate" crossovers. It consists of fictional characters from all existence being summoned by the Holy Grail to a battle royale as Servants of their Masters, the Magi. That means, instead of historical figures like Alexander the Great or mythic beings like Heracles, fictional characters like Kojiro Sasaki, as well as Sherlock Holmes, Jack the Ripper, and possibly even Spider-Man, are all summoned into having one giant beat'em up. Who shall be the victor to take the Holy Grail this time? As I mentioned, this is still being worked on, and it's thus a mere interest check for now. The time the story is set in will be centuries after the Fifth Holy Grail War, the place will be Fuyuki City, and the timeline is an alternate timeline after events of "Fate/Stay Night" and the "Madoka Magica: Rebellion" movie (hence why Kyubey is cursed with the power of emotions; you might even say this plan is his act of revenge against all Magical Girls). To make things convenient, I'm hoping that I could draw fans of both series into participating, but I don't mind if those who aren't familiar with the lore joins in the fun as well, since there will be extensive summarisation of it in the OOC thread anyway. On another note, I'm also hoping that I could get someone who's more experienced with the "Fate/Stay Night" lore to cover any loopholes I might have missed with the canon of the universe. Someone with the knowhow on the details of the characters and the story that I might have forgotten or missed. So there it is. Leave a comment below if you are interested. The actual RP itself won't be happening for some time, but things might change if I get enough people on this (a six-roleplayer count is what I'm reaching for). Hope to hear from you soon!
Hidden 10 yrs ago 10 yrs ago Post by The Silver Paladin
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Eh, why not? As long as I can use King David, I'm good.
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Eh, why not? As long as I can use King David, I'm good.
Technically, King David's a mythical (or in this case, religious) figure. I'm only looking for completely fictional characters, stuff of stories that are total fantasies.
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And yes, I am very versed in Fate mechanics. In the mechanics of the whole Nasuverse. because everybody has to correct me.
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Eh, why not? As long as I can use King David, I'm good.
Technically, King David's a mythical (or in this case, religious) figure.
King David qualifies as a heroic servant. He was going to be used in Fate/Apocryoha, and will be used in Fate/Grand Order
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And yes, I am very versed in Fate mechanics. In the mechanics of the whole Nasuverse. because everybody has to correct me.
Hah. That's good to hear. I could use your expertise then. :)
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... I'm pretty hyped right now.
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Eh, why not? As long as I can use King David, I'm good.
Technically, King David's a mythical (or in this case, religious) figure.
King David qualifies as a heroic servant. He was going to be used in Fate/Apocryoha, and will be used in Fate/Grand Order
Mhm... Fair enough. I don't see why not. I haven't worked out all the mechanics of the RP yet, so things can still be altered here and there for now. It's just that, I'd be using someone from an alternate reality, and I feel it's more fitting if all the Servants are people who can't be summoned in the Fate universe (mythical beings like Heracles, or even Jesus, can be summoned in the Fate canon), since the story of the RP deals with the Fate universe clashing with other universes.
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King David vs Jesus, Ancestor vs Descendant Problem: what class would Jesus be? He only qualifies for Avenger and Saver.
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King David vs Jesus, Ancestor vs Descendant Problem: what class would Jesus be? He only qualifies for Avenger and Saver.
True, but Saver was considered an official class in Fate/Extra, so I don't see a problem (unless Fate/Extra isn't legit?). That said, Jesus' omnipotency would probably cause him to become a game-breaker like Gilgamesh, unless we're talking about the demigod Jesus chronicled in the Gospels.
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Fate/Extra isn't the Fuyuki Grail War. The Fuyuki Grail is like the 726th Grail War or some such number. In fact, Waver Velvet (Lord El-Melloi II) actually fought in a second Grail War with Alexander the Great (watch Fate/Zero.) In fact, the Mage's Association considers Grail Wars to be backwater rituals because there are so many.
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Fate/Extra isn't the Fuyuki Grail War. The Fuyuki Grail is like the 726th Grail War or some such number. In fact, Waver Velvet (Lord El-Melloi II) actually fought in a second Grail War with Alexander the Great (watch Fate/Zero.) In fact, the Mage's Association considers Grail Wars to be backwater rituals because there are so many.
Ah, my Fate knowledge is clearly rusty. By "The Fuyuki Grail War", you mean the war that takes place in Fuyuki City, right? I thought there has only been five Grail Wars as of Fate/Stay Night, and four as of Fate/Zero? Anyway, it's obvious that I have some misconceptions about the lore, so if you have Skype, we could talk about it over the messenger. Otherwise, we could converse through PMs, as this conversation seems like it's gonna take a little while to clear up the confusion.
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Fate/Extra isn't the Fuyuki Grail War. The Fuyuki Grail is like the 726th Grail War or some such number. In fact, Waver Velvet (Lord El-Melloi II) actually fought in a second Grail War with Alexander the Great (watch Fate/Zero.) In fact, the Mage's Association considers Grail Wars to be backwater rituals because there are so many.
Ah, my Fate knowledge is clearly rusty. By "The Fuyuki Grail War", you mean the war that takes place in Fuyuki City, right? I thought there has only been five Grail Wars as of Fate/Stay Night, and four as of Fate/Zero? Anyway, it's obvious that I have some misconceptions about the lore, so if you have Skype, we could talk about it over the messenger. Otherwise, we could converse through PMs, as this conversation seems like it's gonna take a little while to clear up the confusion.
I do not have skype, so let's discuss using PMs.
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I'm not sure where the 700+ statistic came from, unless you're referring to the Church investigations which were over a supposed grail, in which case that's inherently different from the Holy Grail War and should not be compared to one another. The reason it's considered a pittance is because it is backwater for an association magus (Japan/Asia in general and all that) and because of the three families involved in its creation, only one is noteworthy to a western magus, and even then they're recluses who barely communicate with anyone. As far at the Fate/Stay Night line is concerned, there have only been 5 Holy Grail Wars in the sense of the grand ritual. The Fate/Zero war is the 4th HGW. The only glimpse we have of any war prior to that is in Fate H/A where the characters are forced into the role of the participants of the 3rd HGW. Fate/Extra takes place in the Moon Cell, which sort of allows for additional bullshittery because it's essentially a stronger, alien grail. Also on the Moon.
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I'm not sure where the 700+ statistic came from, unless you're referring to the Church investigations which were over a supposed grail, in which case that's inherently different from the Holy Grail War and should not be compared to one another. The reason it's considered a pittance is because it is backwater for an association magus (Japan/Asia in general and all that) and because of the three families involved in its creation, only one is noteworthy to a western magus, and even then they're recluses who barely communicate with anyone. As far at the Fate/Stay Night line is concerned, there have only been 5 Holy Grail Wars in the sense of the grand ritual. The Fate/Zero war is the 4th HGW. The only glimpse we have of any war prior to that is in Fate H/A where the characters are forced into the role of the participants of the 3rd HGW.
Thanks for clearing it up, Art of Fun. I had thought that The Silver Paladin was referring to the Holy Grail Wars, not just a normal Grail War.
Fate/Extra takes place in the Moon Cell, which sort of allows for additional bullshittery because it's essentially a stronger, alien grail. Also on the Moon.
Which also means that the same class of "Saver" can be applied for the RP, because the story in the RP also involves alien tech, essentially those incorporated by the Incubators. The lore behind their species is largely unknown as of the current canon anyway, so we could just make it up as we go along. And besides, I doubt anyone's really going to apply for "Jesus".
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I'm not sure where the 700+ statistic came from, unless you're referring to the Church investigations which were over a supposed grail, in which case that's inherently different from the Holy Grail War and should not be compared to one another. The reason it's considered a pittance is because it is backwater for an association magus (Japan/Asia in general and all that) and because of the three families involved in its creation, only one is noteworthy to a western magus, and even then they're recluses who barely communicate with anyone. As far at the Fate/Stay Night line is concerned, there have only been 5 Holy Grail Wars in the sense of the grand ritual. The Fate/Zero war is the 4th HGW. The only glimpse we have of any war prior to that is in Fate H/A where the characters are forced into the role of the participants of the 3rd HGW. Fate/Extra takes place in the Moon Cell, which sort of allows for additional bullshittery because it's essentially a stronger, alien grail. Also on the Moon.
False! Waver competed in Another Grail War with Iskandar! There is the Moon Cell, and then there's the Grail War of Fate/strange fake. There actually are quite a few Grail wars.
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And don't even get me started on the Grail War of Fate/Apocrypha!
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There actually are quite a few Grail wars.
I remember this one Grail War that ended in everyone getting arrested for murder.
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You've completely misunderstood how the multiverse functions in Type-Moon. Fate/strange fake is it's own reality where a budget Grail got made in the US. The Moon Cell does not exist in most realities, and it is actually impossible for the Moon Cell HGW to take place in the same reality as F/SN, due to it being based in a world where the Aylesbury Ritual fucked up magic in the 70s. Unless you're referring to Apocrypha, which is a very very bad gauge of Holy Grail Wars, then I'm not sure where you're drawing your information. They are separate instances, not to be viewed as a whole. The OP as much mentions the 5th Holy Grail War, meaning we are at the very least following the line of thought that this is a war taking 10 years after the 4th Holy Grail War, which in turn had 3 wars before that.
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The Fate/strange fake Grail war was in the same universe by an Alternate American Mage's association.
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