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Could you review my expanded military section?
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Could you review my expanded military section?
Coilguns are generally a bad idea if you need something powerful yet compact. If you want something strong you have to start from the size of a truck.
I mean a coilgun with a size of a truck, not a coilgun mounted on trucks.
Railguns are preferable in general.
If anything I'd replace the 7 giant gun emplacements with coilguns. They are less needy in maintenance which may help to keep the big guns more affordable.
If you don't like that name, call them Gauss Guns/Cannons. This and coilguns are practically interchangeable in meaning.

Also if you can have a coilgun/railgun that can threaten tanks then so could you build a conventional gun with it.
And if it can threaten tanks with a gun, then obviously that's a tank gun in size. Meaning it would be anything but man-portable.
Like I said before railguns and such are no OP wonderweapons. They are just a different mechanism.
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There seems to be some misconception about religion in the Caliphate so I am going to clarify things a bit^^

The Caliphate is a radical sunni Islamic state. There is no freedom of religion. The only option is to be sunni and if you don't want to you will feel the wrath of allah :)

Any other forms of religion are prohibited by law and their institutions dissolved between 2020 and 2035. There is no christian ortodox church, there are no catholic churches, no Jewish temples, no shia mosques. Also there are no religious minorities. They have all been persecuted, murdered, forced to leave the Caliphate or converted to Islam. Only a handful (less then two million) of non-sunni people remain in the Caliphate as slaves.

This policy of expelling all the other religions from the country has led to an unprecedent period of stability and prosperity within the Caliphate's borders. Sectarian violence has been eradicated by removing the competition. Women can go to the markets without having to fear getting blown up by suicide bombers. All the instability you see in present day Syria and Iraq has been gone. Everybody lives happily ever after under the sharia law, unless you're gay or commited adultry. Then you get stoned to death ;)
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There seems to be some misconception about religion in the Caliphate so I am going to clarify things a bit^^

The Caliphate is a radical sunni Islamic state. There is no freedom of religion. The only option is to be sunni and if you don't want to you will feel the wrath of allah :)

Any other forms of religion are prohibited by law and their institutions dissolved between 2020 and 2035. There is no christian ortodox church, there are no catholic churches, no Jewish temples, no shia mosques. Also there are no religious minorities. They have all been persecuted, murdered, forced to leave the Caliphate or converted to Islam. Only a handful (less then two million) of non-sunni people remain in the Caliphate as slaves.

This policy of expelling all the other religions from the country has led to an unprecedent period of stability and prosperity within the Caliphate's borders. Sectarian violence has been eradicated by removing the competition. Women can go to the markets without having to fear getting blown up by suicide bombers. All the instability you see in present day Syria and Iraq has been gone. Everybody lives happily ever after under the sharia law, unless you're gay or commited adultry. Then you get stoned to death ;)


Ok, now we are in a situation.
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Here's my final app. I made a major change to the military section. I don't think it's too strong, but you might have another opinion.



Accepted, move app to the Character tab.
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<Snipped quote by Durandal>Coilguns are generally a bad idea if you need something powerful yet compact. If you want something strong you have to start from the size of a truck.
I mean a coilgun with a size of a truck, not a coilgun mounted on trucks.
Railguns are preferable in general.
If anything I'd replace the 7 giant gun emplacements with coilguns. They are less needy in maintenance which may help to keep the big guns more affordable.
If you don't like that name, call them Gauss Guns/Cannons. This and coilguns are practically interchangeable in meaning.

Also if you can have a coilgun/railgun that can threaten tanks then so could you build a conventional gun with it.
And if it can threaten tanks with a gun, then obviously that's a tank gun in size. Meaning it would be anything but man-portable.
Like I said before railguns and such are no OP wonderweapons. They are just a different mechanism.


So basically switch the two for their current positions?
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So basically switch the two for their current positions?
More or less.
And try to stick with ATGMs for infantry-use anti-tank methods.
Or at best try to use coilguns to launch anti-tank warheads.

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<Snipped quote by Durandal>More or less.
And try to stick with ATGMs for infantry-use anti-tank methods.
Or at best try to use coilguns to launch anti-tank warheads.


It is a fairly large gun, when I said two people operate it I meant that's the only thing they carry as combat equipment, pieces for the gun. That doesn't include ammo. But yes, they use anti-tank warheads. Faster than missiles.
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@Milkman You should take the ISIS route and refer to Muslims from outside the Caliphate as 'apostates'.
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It is a fairly large gun, when I said two people operate it I meant that's the only thing they carry. But yes, they use anti-tank warheads. Faster than missiles.
Problem with electronic weapons that they are even more cumbersome than conventional weapons.
Unless you go under certain limits.
Granted, you probably don't need the gun for more than a few shots so perhaps putting together several or dozens of regular "railgun rifle batteries" is enough to power the system.
The barrel would still require to be crazy-long and overall we talk about tons of weight here to make an "anti-tank railgun".
Then there's the much-obvious issue with the recoil. You'd need a large and rather stable platform for any level of safety and reliability during fire.
If you want an actual anti-tank railgun you need a tank, a comparable vehicle or something like a towed field artillery.
That's why I didn't recommend this to you.

Having something more similar to an altered coilgun mortar could be more viable.
Basically think of a coilgun but it launches a warhead at higher velocities. Somewhere around the supersonic range, for example.
This of course renders your system into an actual cannon with the recoil to deal with which explains why the weapon is heavy and needs two men to operate.
Personally I'd still prefer missiles for their softer launch and guided nature but it's really just a matter of opinion.

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<Snipped quote by Durandal>Problem with electronic weapons that they are even more cumbersome than conventional weapons.
Unless you go under certain limits.
Granted, you probably don't need the gun for more than a few shots so perhaps putting together several or dozens of regular "railgun rifle batteries" is enough to power the system.
The barrel would still require to be crazy-long and overall we talk about tons of weight here to make an "anti-tank railgun".
Then there's the much-obvious issue with the recoil. You'd need a large and rather stable platform for any level of safety and reliability during fire.
If you want an actual anti-tank railgun you need a tank, a comparable vehicle or something like a towed field artillery.
That's why I didn't recommend this to you.

Having something more similar to an altered coilgun mortar could be more viable.
Basically think of a coilgun but it launches a warhead at higher velocities. Somewhere around the supersonic range, for example.
This of course renders your system into an actual cannon with the recoil to deal with which explains why the weapon is heavy and needs two men to operate.
Personally I'd still prefer missiles for their softer launch and guided nature but it's really just a matter of opinion.


Wouldn't said coil gun mortar still need to be quite large? And the purpose of the rail gun isn't to defeat tanks but light armored vehicles. The cumbersome nature is also a reason why it rarely sees use outside of defensive positions due to the time required to set up the gun. I probably should have worded that better, more as an "anti-vehicle" gun
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So because of the event of the Caliphate not having any orthodox church in Istanbul, I am removing that request from my IC post, I hope you all understand.
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Wouldn't said coil gun mortar still need to be quite large? And the purpose of the rail gun isn't to defeat tanks but light armored vehicles. The cumbersome nature is also a reason why it rarely sees use outside of defensive positions due to the time required to set up the gun.
Well, it needs an energy source (which would likely look like a car battery in size/weight), the launch tube/system (kinda the same weight as a larger ATGM nowadays), some kind of pod to provide stability and of course the warheads.
It'd be a two-man system alright but it won't be particularly that bad in regards of weight.
Like I said it'd be like a somewhat heavier mortar system.
Actually, there are plans to make mortars launch their projectiles via coilgun mechanisms.
Each of your projectiles would only have half the weight compared to missiles with similar role, so about 10-15kg a piece.
The weight of the Mortar could be reduced by CNT or other carbon-polymers, although I think it might be counterproductive at one point due to the recoil.
So perhaps 50-100kg for the weapon system alone.
Let's surmize.
10-15 kg per warhead, let's say they carry 3-4.
15kg for the battery
60 kg for the weapon itself.
Unless the two are already encumbered this set-up is viable for a two man team.

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<Snipped quote by Durandal>Well, it needs an energy source (which would likely look like a car battery in size/weight), the launch tube/system (kinda the same weight as a larger ATGM nowadays), some kind of pod to provide stability and of course the warheads.
It'd be a two-man system alright but it won't be particularly that bad in regards of weight.
Like I said it'd be like a somewhat heavier mortar system.
Actually, there are plans to make mortars launch their projectiles via coilgun mechanisms.
Each of your projectiles would only have half the weight compared to missiles with similar role, so about 10-15kg a piece.
The weight of the Mortar could be reduced by CNT or other carbon-polymers, although I think it might be counterproductive at one point due to the recoil.
So perhaps 50-100kg for the weapon system alone.
Let's surmize.
10-15 kg per warhead, let's say they carry 3-4.
15kg for the battery
60 kg for the weapon itself.
Unless the two are already encumbered this set-up is viable for a two man team.


But would a man-portable railgun system carried by two men with exoskeletons be viable against light vehicles? Without too much armor, a round fired from this should be able to punch through thin metal and maybe medium armored vehicles. But this coil mortar sounds interesting in concept. Perhaps I'll use that instead.
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But would a man-portable railgun system carried by two men with exoskeletons be viable against light vehicles? Without too much armor, a round fired from this should be able to punch through thin metal and maybe medium armored vehicles. But this coil mortar sounds interesting in concept. Perhaps I'll use that instead.
Hm, it'd be sorts of an engineering marvel.
I mean it'd be seriously edged out to match tank railguns at armor-defeating role in spite of being smaller and operated by a much lighter unit.
It'd also question why don't everyone starts adopting such system if it actually works against tanks.
But let's get back to the technicalities.
Because the barrel is 4 times shorter with the same acceleration the gun can only achieve half the velocity compared to tank railguns.
Or to be exact, this is the force of the railgun. You can compensate by using lighter load and lighter rails.
Reducing weight to 1/4th can balance out the speed/length scale here.
You can then compensate the loss in weight by reducing the cross-section of the impact.
Half the diameter, quadruple the theoretical penetration.
Defeating armor is kind of a complex thing though so you can't just safely say this. Actually since the impact energy is halved the tank may absorb the impact still while the heavier slug will penetrate better.

Okay, I won't bore you further with the details.
Point is, it's possible but the chance of scoring a kill will be a gamble even with all these mods.
Overcharging will be inevitable to give the weapon just a faint more edge.
Also the recoil will require bracing/stabilizing to the ground to be properly handled.
I say you would better focus on anti-tank warheads to kill tanks. Meanwhile your railgun can be used against hard targets and bunkers that aren't as well-rounded in protection as contemporary tanks.
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<Snipped quote by Durandal>Hm, it'd be sorts of an engineering marvel.
I mean it'd be seriously edged out to match tank railguns at armor-defeating role in spite of being smaller and operated by a much lighter unit.
It'd also question why don't everyone starts adopting such system if it actually works against tanks.
But let's get back to the technicalities.
Because the barrel is 4 times shorter with the same acceleration the gun can only achieve half the velocity compared to tank railguns.
Or to be exact, this is the force of the railgun. You can compensate by using lighter load and lighter rails.
Reducing weight to 1/4th can balance out the speed/length scale here.
You can then compensate the loss in weight by reducing the cross-section of the impact.
Half the diameter, quadruple the theoretical penetration.
Defeating armor is kind of a complex thing though so you can't just safely say this. Actually since the impact energy is halved the tank may absorb the impact still while the heavier slug will penetrate better.

Okay, I won't bore you further with the details.
Point is, it's possible but the chance of scoring a kill will be a gamble even with all these mods.
Overcharging will be inevitable to give the weapon just a faint more edge.
Also the recoil will require bracing/stabilizing to the ground to be properly handled.
I say you would better focus on anti-tank warheads to kill tanks. Meanwhile your railgun can be used against hard targets and bunkers that aren't as well-rounded in protection as contemporary tanks.


I won't and can't question anything you say as you are quite a bit more versed than me in these technologies. I was kind of considering a theme where my army utilized more advanced weapons and equipment to compete with larger powers but that isn't viable given the state of the GEC.

But the point I was addressing in my previous post was that a man-portable rail gun would be far more effective against light and medium vehicles rather such as armored vars and IFVs rather than something on the scale of a tank. That seems a much more viable option given the information you have provided on the subject, for which I must thank you.

Infantry units aren't meant to fight tanks for the most part so the gun was simply something that would serve in mainly defensive positions to hold lighter vehicles at bay while heavier weapons focused on opposing heavy armor.
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This is my reply to all claims that have been made without an accepted app. If you have not posted in 2 days, and you have made claims without an accepted app, your claims are no longer valid. Thank you.
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I lost interest in this, I will allow anyone to take my claims now.
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Mhm, hey @Keyguyperson, feel like a friendly conflict over some southwestern territories?
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Mhm, hey @Keyguyperson, feel like a friendly conflict over some southwestern territories?


Of course, but that might have to wait a bit. You see, Mr. MacEoin is an American. Which means he's all for punishing atrocities overseas in conflicts that don't involve him.
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