@eschatologist @thedookienut

take your time :)
any questions don't hestiate to get in touch

So if I am understanding the situation right, I need to get to a floor above me to reach the minister, right?

If so, would it be ok to not go through the elevators at all? I know I cannot transfigure parts of things, but I figure Billy would know a "cut a hole in a wall" spell, and could cast it on the ceiling, then push himself upwards/transfigure himself into a bird and fly up, repeating until he's on the right floor to reach the minister.

If that doesn't work, how do you feel about people turning things into antimatter? Are there ready-made transfiguration spells that could turn, say, a dust mote weighing fractions of fractions of a milligram into antimatter? One milligram of antimatter would produce ~4.3 tons of TNT, so to have actual combat application it would need to be thousandths of that mass, which would get tricky, not to mention the world-changing applications of being able to transmute chirality at will [but that seems like something that would not be shared with muggles even under the loosest secrecy laws, for fear of antimatter warfare]

If I can neither blow them up with transfigured explosives nor just avoid them and go through the ceiling, I would like to bore through this corner and attack them from behind their barricade. It would probably lead to some casualties, but at least it is better than nothing. If that's not allowed, I think the easiest answer would be a barrage of Avada Kedavra, depending on if I could predict a reliable and safe exit vector for them, but that would require a detailed map and measuring spells at the very least, seeing as I would need to adjust for the depth of the ministry, the angle of the cast spell and the distance to the north sea, if it is even possible to avoid other underground populated areas, like deep basements or what have you.

@Eschatologist

I don't actually think the Ministry is vertical... I think it's sort of all over the place.

The scene in which Hermione and Umbridge are in the lift together has them flying backwards into darkness instead of going up/down.

Edit:

You know that moment when you're working on a post and then your laptop suddenly decides to restart and you lose it all...

Oh right, it is sort of all over the place. Well regardless, there is presumably [/i]something[/i] over Billy's head, and it seems likely that there would be elevator access. If not, worst case scenario
Billy attackd the guarding troops from
Above

So if I am understanding the situation right, I need to get to a floor above me to reach the minister, right?

If so, would it be ok to not go through the elevators at all? I know I cannot transfigure parts of things, but I figure Billy would know a "cut a hole in a wall" spell, and could cast it on the ceiling, then push himself upwards/transfigure himself into a bird and fly up, repeating until he's on the right floor to reach the minister.

If that doesn't work, how do you feel about people turning things into antimatter? Are there ready-made transfiguration spells that could turn, say, a dust mote weighing fractions of fractions of a milligram into antimatter? One milligram of antimatter would produce ~4.3 tons of TNT, so to have actual combat application it would need to be thousandths of that mass, which would get tricky, not to mention the world-changing applications of being able to transmute chirality at will [but that seems like something that would not be shared with muggles even under the loosest secrecy laws, for fear of antimatter warfare]

If I can neither blow them up with transfigured explosives nor just avoid them and go through the ceiling, I would like to bore through this corner and attack them from behind their barricade. It would probably lead to some casualties, but at least it is better than nothing. If that's not allowed, I think the easiest answer would be a barrage of Avada Kedavra, depending on if I could predict a reliable and safe exit vector for them, but that would require a detailed map and measuring spells at the very least, seeing as I would need to adjust for the depth of the ministry, the angle of the cast spell and the distance to the north sea, if it is even possible to avoid other underground populated areas, like deep basements or what have you.

the reason i didn't specify is i didn't want to stymie your creativity and you don't disappoint

cutting the ceiling and what scrimgeour did
so at the end of the post scrimgeour cut his way to the broom cupboard on his floor. He has escaped but is not out of the woods yet. Obviously you guys don't know that yet and just think he is being held and you need to get to him.

The basis for scrimgeour being able to do this is what dumbledore said to umbridge "that power still lies with the headmaster" my idea is there are some special powers that come with high wizarding positions like headmaster of hogwarts and in this case minister for magic. Scrimgeour can do this by virtue of that power but no one else can. If you cut the ceiling do this you will just hit brick, cut again more brick and so on.

antimatter
I'm going to go against this. I think we are going too far into the scientific... one weapons of this nature are very hypothetical and I dislike the idea of turning any form of matter into antimatter ie the distinct opposite of something. It is easier to transfigure something it if has similarities, as antimatter is the exact opposite of something I feel quite comfortable saying it is impossible.

killing curse
blackwell wouldn't let you anyway

I would like to bore through this corner and attack them from behind their barricade. It would probably lead to some casualties, but at least it is better than nothing

I'm happy with this....and it was the idea I had. When you bore through, you would have to break through 8 walls constituting four offices to get to the elevators. Will you take a small team through... a large team... will you take the barricade out from behind or will you sneak upstairs... whats your priorities?

if you want to cast any spells to check what's in the offices let me know and I will tell you the results. If you've got an idea outline your plan to Blackwell and I can get you moving :)

Let me know if anythhing is not clear, hope that's ok

In fairness, Antiprotons and protons are not exactly opposites, it is just changing one attribute of the "particles" [the chirality]. It is also not particularly hypothetical: people have produced antimatter and the equations for the energy emissions fit with experiment parsimoniously. That being said, I am all for not letting it happen: I am assuming some level of scientific literacy for Billy, but him not only understanding what antimatter is but understanding it well enough to create it from normal matter seems a little far-fetched.

I think I'll cast the spells to detect life in the offices, then bore through with a few people, then blow people up and claim the elevators, then begin moving towards where Blackwell should be to protect him and hopefully extract him from the ministry.

I'm more busy than I'd like to be, but I'll make sure to get a post up either today or tomorrow, sorry for the delay.

I think the idea of turning things into anti matter is a little OP... To be honest

Real life isn't balanced, as much as I'd like it to be. I certainly won't be pushing for Billy to be able to do it, that would not make sense, but magic in HP isn't exactly fair or dramatic.

Real life isn't balanced, as much as I'd like it to be. I certainly won't be pushing for Billy to be able to do it, that would not make sense, but magic in HP isn't exactly fair or dramatic.

it's ok as said I think we're all agreed its a step too far so we can leave it at that
Personally my reluctance was also a reluctance to introduce elements into an rp I don't truly understand myself as evidenced by my description above.
(fyi I knew antimatter had been artificially created but weapons using it haven't to my knowledge though research has been funded)
Either way it's neither here nor their.

Report your plan to Blackwell who will give you two companions and send three more wizards to begin a barrage to keep those on the barricade distracted as you make your progress

In terms of the life spells, the first office would show no signs of life, the second office multiple life signs, your issue being how do you distinguish between normal ministry officials possibly hiding and those imperiorised. Make your move on the second room and I'll describe what you see in their.

Should give you enough for a decent sized post. Feel frame to name describe your comrades if you wish. Should give you enough for a nice post.

Any questions let me know.

Fyi bad luck on the post dookie :( happens to me alllllll the time... really frustrating :(

No-one's made weapons out of it, but the equations for energy release fit with experiment parsimoniously. It has not been developed in a way that makes it possible to be deployed, but just magically making a bunch of it appear somewhere would make people nearby have a very bad day. I'll work on a post, turns out I have some free time.

Cool beans :) looking forward to it

Left it hanging, because I don't know what is actually in that room, but I doubt it will be too problematic, and the occupants shouldn't be too badly hurt: temporary eye and ear damage is easily curable by today's medicine, wizards should have it on lock, and hopefully in their incredibly painful daze they are unable to avoid being knocked unconscious. It is a little rough, considering they are most likely employees, but Billy is following the commanders primary directive, to first and foremost protect the lives of those under his command.

I'll be posting tonight, you best be around buddy! Haha

Sweet I will try and start writing the update tonight or tomorrow then

Good posts this far let's keep up the quality
we have pretty free reign in this story so let's keep fleshing out the detail :)

How's the post going any eta?

@the crafty pig Sorry, had an issue come up at work. All sorted now.

I've got a basic outline already written, it'll be up around noon tomorrow, or at least with you as we can add Caroline in

Sorry for the delay been ill all weekend and just got two new kittens which I've been helping to bed in

I will have a reply to cookies collaborative and an update for Billy today or tomorrow :)

@eschatologist @thedookienut

just to let you know an update will be done today and a reply to your pm post
first free day I've had
apologies

@the crafty pig

Hey, it's okay :) Take your time, I'll still be here

@eschatologist@thedookienut

update is up and pm replied too... dookie if you want to bring a character in so you can keep posting whilst we collab george that's completely up to you
escha I will keep rolling this on for you whilst we work