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In other words, he had a depth that many people could relate to because the writers developed his story into an experience that felt personal to the audience, however overused "daddy issues" is, any cliché plot point can be portrayed well if you just give it a little work.


He had about as much depth as my first roleplaying character.

His story never went beyond daddy issues and wanting to be king. I'm not saying he's a bad character, just that he really hasn't developed. He was a massive lying prick at the beginning of Thor and he stayed a massive lying prick right up to the ending of Thor 2.
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@BrobyDDark He was "adopted" by the same man that killed his parents, and as easy as it is to view Loki being given a life in Asgard as a charity by the all-forgiving Skyfather, it could also easily be viewed by some with a more pessimistic view as him being a living trophy taken by Odin to represent conquest.

He was raised as someone who was perpetually the odd one out-- he's a Jötunn among Asgardians, someone of lower birth among Royalty, someone who relies on cunning and magic amongst warriors-- added to that that he KNOWS about his lineage, and since his birth he's been overshadowed by a trueborn brother that seems to best him in every way imaginable, a brother that indeed personifies the mentality that led to him feeling so ostracized, a mother who would never nurture him like a child might need, and a father who would always prefer his "real" heir over Loki.

Add into that a little more Kafkaesque ostrazisation from the comics and myths-- that Loki is NOT a fight, but he's encouraged to be one by Thor and Odin, whom he seeks the approval of and feels he can never really have, and the fact that the BODY HE INHABITS, to Loki, feels foreign-- this plays into why he's such a trickster and he relies on transformation magic, he doesn't feel as if he is a single gender or even a single species-- and in that, is isolation.

As a plotter, as someone who was raised seeing those around him achieve Nordic greatness, and being the "second son" meaning he will never rule, he uses what he knows he can do to achieve that greatness he feels compelled by his life to achieve. He plans and uses trickery, and from Thor to the Avengers we see him becoming mentally unhinged as he comprehends the failure of his shortsighted bid to rule Asgard, and promising himself to other entities to achieve some fraction of that power.

He developed in his becoming progressively more unstable in his attempts to seize power-- he went from trying to rule everything he loved, through his own cunning and planning, to attempting to take everything Thor loved through promising himself to other entities, despite preference from trickery over violence.

His character's transition from Thor to The Avengers is the transformation of a misguided child trying to please his family by doing something great, to an abandoned adolescent, willing to do anything to get that greatness in spite of a family he feels abandoned him and never truly loved him.

We even see that in the movie itself-- Loki preferred using mind control to get what he wanted at the beginning of the Avengers, he even planned to get captured to sow discontent within the Avengers-- it wasn't until Thor and co. intervened again and again that he became unstable enough to launch an attack New York, despite knowing by that point that he couldn't hope to rule on Earth either.

imo Loki's one of the most fleshed out MCU characters
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If you people want character development watch Game of Thrones. Marvel is about making scary monsters/robots/robomonsters explode and fuck everybody who doesn't get that. Get your complex themes out of my eye candy.
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If you people want character development watch Game of Thrones. Marvel is about making scary monsters/robots/robomonsters explode and fuck everybody who doesn't get that. Get your complex themes out of my eye candy.


But Game of Thrones is boooooooriiiiiiiing.
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If you people want character development watch Game of Thrones. Marvel is about making scary monsters/robots/robomonsters explode and fuck everybody who doesn't get that. Get your complex themes out of my eye candy.


lol no
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If you people want character development watch Game of Thrones. Marvel is about making scary monsters/robots/robomonsters explode and fuck everybody who doesn't get that. Get your complex themes out of my eye candy.


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If you people want character development watch Game of Thrones. Marvel is about making scary monsters/robots/robomonsters explode and fuck everybody who doesn't get that. Get your complex themes out of my eye candy.


mdk have you seen seasons 3 - 5 yet
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mdk have you seen seasons 3 - 5 yet


indeed so most indeededly.
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This. It looks so fucking glorious. Haven't been this excited about a film since Interstellar was coming out.


I dunno bout ya'll but dat there be my much awaited movie. Deadpool. Can't wait to see how they frack that up.
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I dunno bout ya'll but dat there be my much awaited movie. Deadpool. Can't wait to see how they frack that up.


Yeah but you're gonna see it anyway, aren't you.
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Yeah but you're gonna see it anyway, aren't you.


Yes.
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If you people want character development watch Game of Thrones. Marvel is about making scary monsters/robots/robomonsters explode and fuck everybody who doesn't get that. Get your complex themes out of my eye candy.


Game of thrones has been going downhill, there's no real rhyme or reason to the show anymore. I think they should've kept with the book more since now the next book has a character D&D killed off in the show doing something important.

Than again if they kept with the book they'd spoil the ending a decade early.
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Game of thrones has been going downhill


Yeah but the books went downhill during this part too. The show mercifully cut the suck down to one season.
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@mdkEverything post-red wedding has been a mess (and a lot before that) on the show. D&D basically gutted the books, took out 70% of the side plots, completely avoided introducing several important characters and stories, and simplified most existing characters and plots for the sake of a TV audience I can only assume they think wouldn't be able to follow the books. Instead we get;

"You need the bad pussy"

I want Lady Stoneheart and Euron now plz
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The show is deviating a lot from the books, yes. I'm okay with that. The show isn't worse, except for Dorne -- but again, Dorne really wasn't that much better in the books, and the book-version of these last ten episodes was longer than the friggin' bible. They simplified some stuff? Awesome. There's no way we needed all that in TV.

In a book? Yeah, sure, I dug it. It was long and boring and impossible to film, but presumably important to the imminent conclusion.

Also -- keep your Stoneheart, I just want the Blackfish back.
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Fuck all that noise. I'm waiting for Deadpool.


WAIT!!!I bet you are wondering "why the red suit?" its so the bad guys can't see me bleed. This guy here had the right idea, he wore the brown pants.
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