@Chihiro Daaw. So nice.

I was actually hoping for Drake to have quite a close relationship with one of the other characters. Perhaps something like a childhood friend or someone who he grew up with in the orphanage.

I think it would be necessary as something to keep him grounded and sane since his corruption has basically turned him batshit crazy. Anyone interested? We can discuss things more in a pm

Leslie, I am your man. I'm designing Adam to play straight man to the goofiness, which would be good to turn serious by trying to keep someone kooky from descending further into madness.

Also, and I don't mean to sound like an asshole, not do I want a change, but: Grimm clearly die to low-energy bullets with ease [demonstrated by Coco in the end season 2]. Why couldn't a group of infantry kill grimm easily and much more cost efficiently than people who have to be put through combat schooling until the age of 21? Not only would it be easy to kill animals who have no direction or intelligence when they die to bullets, but humans have incredible technology like mechs [pointless, but that's a different argument] and air battleships. How are Grimm a threat? Soldiers could use dust rounds same as anyone.

ALSO also: were we all just selected BECAUSE of our names? Or have some of us changed names since getting experimented on? Or is it just a coincidence that a whole bunch of people with black names got selected for the program?

@Zugzwang sounds good. We can discuss their history some more in a pm if you'd like

Edit: also I think the bullets used by hunters are dust infused, but that's not confirmed. I just remember a mention of dust infused rounds for bullets.

@Rex
The image is like "These ain't even my real weapons!" Thanks for changing that, he's good!

oh, you think my yoyos are bad, wait till you see my sniper rifle. lol, I'm just using the picture as the appearance, the guns don't come with it. Those are sold separately and you must send in twelve box tops to get them.

Also, and I don't mean to sound like an asshole, not do I want a change, but: Grimm clearly die to low-energy bullets with ease [demonstrated by Coco in the end season 2]. Why couldn't a group of infantry kill grimm easily and much more cost efficiently than people who have to be put through combat schooling until the age of 21? Not only would it be easy to kill animals who have no direction or intelligence when they die to bullets, but humans have incredible technology like mechs [pointless, but that's a different argument] and air battleships. How are Grimm a threat? Soldiers could use dust rounds same as anyone.

You know, I actually had this discussion at the last anime convention I attended. We were sipping on Jack Daniels and getting high off nitrous oxide. I argued that soldiers were just as effective and much more coordinated than Huntsmen. Then I realized that Grimm came in different shapes, sizes, and....intelligence? Older Grimm have been known to exercise caution and prowl borders. Last part of vol 2 takes place in an area once inhabited but overrun by them. They're a threat because they're always there. Likely, they've been underestimated in the past, even with advanced weaponry. So not all Grimm are mindlessly driven by their basic instinct to prey on humans and furries--sorry, faunus. The older they get, the more powerful they get, the more intelligent they get. Not sure about you, but even armed to the teeth, I can't stand the thought of an animal smart enough to observe me as much as I observe it.

ALSO also: were we all just selected BECAUSE of our names? Or have some of us changed names since getting experimented on? Or is it just a coincidence that a whole bunch of people with black names got selected for the program?

Because. I am racist.

No, coincidence. A forced one. I like it when things make sense or match.

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@Chihiro

I'm making a rather pretty guy for this roleplay as well. Wanna mate, I mean date, I mean be part of a mutually beneficial heterosexual family-friendy relationship?

Can I tie Adam to the regular army or something? Like, his father was a member? Military matters are one of the few areas in which I can claim competence, and I figure it would be an interesting character dynamic.

Also, I don't think I share your fear of intelligent animals. If they can't use modern technology I have very little to worry about. Guns are really rather good at killing things.

Can I tie Adam to the regular army or something? Like, his father was a member? Military matters are one of the few areas in which I can claim competence, and I figure it would be an interesting character dynamic.

That's completely fine. Hell, if your character shows some military bravado I'd be down for that too.

@Zugzwang
What about how that death stalker in the woods was basically impervious to bullets as well as the giant never more in the same area

@The ghost in black not to mention the goliaths

Still a spot here? Or no?

Because. I am racist.

No, coincidence. A forced one. I like it when things make sense or match.

Well... we could have it so that they're given new names. I had kind of assumed that was the case, to be honest. Plus with so much experimentation it seems like it would be easy to manipulate their memories so that they think their names were always that way. *shrug*

@Zugzwang

Huntsmen being a thing is probably just for rule of cool. I mean c'mon, this is a canon where transforming weapons are not only a thing, but a norm. There are super powers and bunny eared girls. Is it really so hard to believe that Grimm are deadly and numerous enough to require a small (presumably, compared to the army) task force that focuses on dispatching them? At the very least it frees up your army for any possible national conflicts.

Or, if you prefer, "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit."

@Chihiro

*hugs*

Open door policy, @Ashifili. Welcome! Drop a character template in here and we'll give it a review.

@Zugzwang
What about how that death stalker in the woods was basically impervious to bullets as well as the giant never more in the same area

I preface this by saying that once again, I do not want to see any changes, nor do I think that these inconsistencies should be removed from the game.

Now I'm no expert on Grimm [mostly because we're never given specifics as far as I can tell], but I do know about guns. And boy, they do get big. Now, seeing as the Death Stalker was killed with a hit by the grand total of the force of a falling Nora hammer hit combined with effectively two man-personal grenades on what would be a relatively large surface area compared to proper munitions, they do not have that much armor, at least relatively. Maybe the top armor is weaker, but it both doesn't look like it and regardless, should not matter. Compare that to modern day anti-tank weaponry. Big fuck-off heavy rockets designed to penetrate 700mm of composite armor [which would be orders of magnitude stronger than anything nature would likely produce] moving at several times the speed of sound would do the trick. Even an AT-4, which costs like a thousand dollars and is very easily man portable and usable in confined spaces, while not being able to kill a T-90, would liquefy a grimm that can be penetrated by two grenades and a hammer swing.

As for the nevermore, anything that is light enough to fly is light enough to be fucked raw by anything larger than small arms. Unless it is made of some super material that I don't know about. The question then is why are they not bred for their super light super armor and harvested to make protective suits. Maybe that's what the stupid white chestplate is? Fucking conspiracy theory.

I haven't seen the goliaths fight, nor do I have any source on their armor thickness or durability, but the main point is this: the upper limit for man-portable firepower is massive. If a weapon can destroy a modern tank, I find it difficult to believe that it cannot kill an armored elephant. And RWBY takes place in the science fiction future, where heavier-than-air battleships can fly around, and weapons can retract into hammerspace, so the limit on man-portable firepower is likely even larger.

@Kurai's got it right. I'm here to play revolver ocelot a cool magic hunter, fuck logic. But the show makes 0% sense, which I am OK with when I'm in an RP. But, once again, if I wanted logic in my supersoldiers I would go read Uber, which I already do. [fucking series 2 soon, max hype]

But to address your point @Kurai: Grimm are never shown to be numerous enough or dangerous enough to warrant the massive costs and strange prestige associated with the training and operation of huntsmen. Napalm's cheap and bullets are cheaper.

Now, I do see a need for huntsmen to exist to fight other huntsmen. Modern weapons are not designed to kill supersoldiers, but they are really good at killing animals. I can't think of an easy way to eliminate an enemy hunter without another hunter or extraordinary expenditure of materiel. Hunters being soldiers trained to kill other hunters would make way more sense, and would explain why they always train to fight humans rather than grimm [except that one time when Weiss fails to kill a boar, I guess]. Maybe that's the whole twist of the show: Ozpin wants World War 3 and has slowly shifted the curriculum of Beacon and the world to train huntsmen to fight each other in order to get a stiffy at some good ol' Vernichtungsschlacht

<Snipped quote by The ghost in black>

I preface this by saying that once again, I do not want to see any changes, nor do I think that these inconsistencies should be removed from the game.

Now I'm no expert on Grimm [mostly because we're never given specifics as far as I can tell], but I do know about guns. And boy, they do get big. Now, seeing as the Death Stalker was killed with a hit by the grand total of the force of a falling Nora hammer hit combined with effectively two man-personal grenades on what would be a relatively large surface area compared to proper munitions, they do not have that much armor, at least relatively. Maybe the top armor is weaker, but it both doesn't look like it and regardless, should not matter. Compare that to modern day anti-tank weaponry. Big fuck-off heavy rockets designed to penetrate 700mm of composite armor [which would be orders of magnitude stronger than anything nature would likely produce] moving at several times the speed of sound would do the trick. Even an AT-4, which costs like a thousand dollars and is very easily man portable and usable in confined spaces, while not being able to kill a T-90, would liquefy a grimm that can be penetrated by two grenades and a hammer swing.

As for the nevermore, anything that is light enough to fly is light enough to be fucked raw by anything larger than small arms.

I haven't seen the goliaths fight, nor do I have any source on their armor thickness or durability, but the main point is this: the upper limit for man-portable firepower is massive. If a weapon can destroy a modern tank, I find it difficult to believe that it cannot kill an armored elephant. And RWBY takes place in the science fiction future, where heavier-than-air battleships can fly around, and weapons can retract into hammerspace, so the limit on man-portable firepower is likely even larger.

@Kurai's got it right. I'm here to play revolver ocelot a cool magic hunter, fuck logic. But the show makes 0% sense, which I am OK with when I'm in an RP. But, once again, if I wanted logic in my supersoldiers I would go read Uber, which I already do. [fucking series 2 soon, max hype]

But to address your point @Kurai: Grimm are never shown to be numerous enough or dangerous enough to warrant the massive costs and strange prestige associated with the training and operation of huntsmen. Napalm's cheap and bullets are cheaper.

Now, I do see a need for huntsmen to exist to fight other huntsmen. Modern weapons are not designed to kill supersoldiers, but they are really good at killing animals. I can't think of an easy way to eliminate an enemy hunter without another hunter or extraordinary expenditure of materiel. Hunters being soldiers trained to kill other hunters would make way more sense, and would explain why they always train to fight humans rather than grimm [except that one time when Weiss fails to kill a boar, I guess]. Maybe that's the whole twist of the show: Ozpin wants World War 3 and has slowly shifted the curriculum of Beacon and the world to train huntsmen to fight each other in order to get a stiffy at some good ol' Vernichtungsschlacht

...... Note to self: never try to logic again

@The ghost in black Logic's overrated. Fun is better. And I don't mean to be an asshole, nor do I bear you any ill will. You're classy. I'm just nitpicking because I don't want to start my midterm essay.

Trust me, there is nothing worse than knowing about firearms or any other piece of combat technology and watching popular media. I have learned to just ignore it when someone fires 25 rounds from a gun that holds 8+1. Or when two people swordfight and swing at a point between them rather than at their opponent. Or when someone takes cover behind a sofa and does not get shot through it.

But to address your point @Kurai: Grimm are never shown to be numerous enough or dangerous enough to warrant the massive costs and strange prestige associated with the training and operation of huntsmen. Napalm's cheap and bullets are cheaper.

Now, I do see a need for huntsmen to exist to fight other huntsmen. Modern weapons are not designed to kill supersoldiers, but they are really good at killing animals. I can't think of an easy way to eliminate an enemy hunter without another hunter or extraordinary expenditure of materiel. Hunters being soldiers trained to kill other hunters would make way more sense, and would explain why they always train to fight humans rather than grimm [except that one time when Weiss fails to kill a boar, I guess]. Maybe that's the whole twist of the show: Ozpin wants World War 3 and has slowly shifted the curriculum of Beacon and the world to train huntsmen to fight each other in order to get a stiffy at some good ol' Vernichtungsschlacht

Gonna have to say that they are, in fact, numerous enough. From the wiki:

"Additionally, the Grimm appear to be the predominant species in the world of Remnant as humans and Faunus appear to be limited to four primary pocket settlements referred to as Kingdoms, which are guarded by Huntsmen; as well as several villages with mixed success. Attempts by the Kingdoms to expand beyond their borders are often met with resistance, and even failure, as the loss of an entire sector of the city of Vale overrun by the Grimm can attest to."

rwby.wikia.com/wiki/Grimm

Plus, all of your arguments are very valid- assuming parallel histories. Obviously technologies, weaponry, and damn near everything in the RWBY world evolved differently than our own. Creatures that embody destruction and magic crystals saw to that. My point being, I don't think you can assume that napalm was ever invented, or even tanks for that matter. We see airships, mechs, and androids; surely, enough to assume lesser tech exists, but not (in my mind) enough to prove it. Sadly it again falls back on "it's magic," since Dust almost surely allows the world to develop and power technologies differently than our world.

Lastly, it still appears that Grimm, even of the same species, vary in power. It could very well be that Grimm get weaker the closer they are to civilization, since they don't have as much time to adapt or evolve before they are killed. The whole world is covered with destruction incarnate. I'm not sure the resources of an army of one kingdom, or even all four, would be enough to take them out... hence why they haven't.

There's like, a RWBY fan group thread somewhere in this place. I would like to see this discussion taken there.

EDIT: FREAKIN NINJA EDIT, KURAI.

ANYWAY, if we have not scared away any more people from joining, I'll go back to making the opening IC post.

ON ANOTHER NOTE SINCE ZUGZ BROUGHT IT UP: YES, one of the antagonists in this roleplay is a fallen Huntsmen. So yeah, this will be huntsmen vs huntsmen.

@Volenvradica

Yeah yeah... I'm done, don't worry.

I get what you're saying Kurai, and since the show doesn't explain anything, there is little I see coming from an argument. I find it unlikely that a world with gelling agents [fairly certain I saw some candy that would necessitate this, maybe not] and petroleum with modern sensibilities would not produce a burning agent to kill forests, but we can assume they do not have one. We are told that grimm get more powerful the further they are from civilization, and the only one's we've seen have been mediocre at best. I find it hard to believe they can be a big enough threat to require something besides man-portable crewed weapons, but it can be assumed they don't have them.

I'm coming to this thinking about works of fiction like World War Z, or the very real Second Boer War, or the removal of the Mongols from Russia, in which modern technology and competent organization overcomes massive numbers and more deadly 'gimmick' capabilities, but we may very well just assume that people in RWBY are fools who refuse to pursue useful technologies and Grimm are secretly a credible threat to an airship fleet numbering hundreds of warships.

And I do, for this RP. I just think it silly. Things can be both dumb and good at the same time.

TL;DR: Explanations are contrived, but I don't care, argumentation at this point is pointless.

EDIT: Fuck, I mentioned UBER. Time to re-read the whole thing. 10/10 best comic books in a long time.

Guess the threat of Grimm would probably be more believable if the last episode of Season 2 didn't feature a veritable swarm of Grimm get fodderized by a bunch of students.

I'm curious though. Do you plan on 'upgrading' the Grimm in this RP? Or will they still basically be fodder-level kiddos that we use to make ourselves look badass?