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Again, Fuso. The reason why the first Golden Empress was called such a thing was that she not only brought peace but industrialized the nation so quite and Avalia had a hand in it. Not so sure about Izuno, but I'll wager that some close to it
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Nuclear reactor!? Cool rifle idea but it might be a little too much.
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Nuclear reactor!? Cool rifle idea but it might be a little too much.


Thanks! It's more just a stick of uranium stuck in the rifle to make it go boom more! Hopefully it's not too much as the whole idea of Sophia being a brilliant nuclear scientist is kind of my nations feel!

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@Romero Hold up there. Nuclear weapons/nuclear power does not exist yet. Though I see where you are going (physical cataclysmic/apocalyptic-like event causes rise of nazi-like fascist state, more so than the more simply fascist Moravia), that tech is a little above what we have established (otherwise everyone would have nukes and this world would look very very different, not to mention be a Cold War atompunk NRP instead).

Might I suggest you redo the nuclear apocalypse to a biological weapon/pandemic/chemical superweapon of some sort instead? (As chemical/biological weapons of mass destruction technically could exist in some form, though hard to deploy with the absence of ICBMs)
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My understanding was that this was 1930s-40s tech correct? In that case the science is already there, proved evident by the Manhatten Project and all the steps in the understanding of nuclear science prior to that! Now the Manhattan project was a collection of some of the best minds with substantial funding, Sophie is THE greatest nuclear scientist with the funding of an entire nation, albeit a scorched one.

I'm not arguing for nukes, as it's obvious that that would ruin the game, what I'm going for is simply something kind of original to set my nation apart. Obviously I defer to the GM entirely, and I'm not attacking you personally, I just think nuclear works best. Thank you for your suggestions in case it gets denied though!
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Again, Fuso. The reason why the first Golden Empress was called such a thing was that she not only brought peace but industrialized the nation so quite and Avalia had a hand in it. Not so sure about Izuno, but I'll wager that some close to it


I'm nearly done with my history so I'll post it up shortly for your critique of it then. :)
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Thanks! It's more just a stick of uranium stuck in the rifle to make it go boom more! Hopefully it's not too much as the whole idea of Sophia being a brilliant nuclear scientist is kind of my nations feel!
That makes absolutely no sense. Also rifle sized micro nukes are beyond even modern technology. Why the hell you even want them?
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My understanding was that this was 1930s-40s tech correct? In that case the science is already there, proved evident by the Manhatten Project and all the steps in the understanding of nuclear science prior to that! Now the Manhattan project was a collection of some of the best minds with substantial funding, Sophie is THE greatest nuclear scientist with the funding of an entire nation, albeit a scorched one.

I'm not arguing for nukes, as it's obvious that that would ruin the game, what I'm going for is simply something kind of original to set my nation apart. Obviously I defer to the GM entirely, and I'm not attacking you personally, I just think chemical works best. Thank you for your suggestions in case it gets denied though!


You don't need to have something military to be unique, example: Fuso. It basically has the Hollywood of this RP and is an entertainment giant in some ways (that's what I was going for at least).
They're also the porn capital of the world to the point salacious behavior is part of their culture. Also a favorite spot of bachelor parties
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<Snipped quote by Romero>That makes absolutely no sense. Also rifle sized micro nukes are beyond even modern technology. Why the hell you even want them?


This is all coming from the guy with a 15 meter jet engine boat thing of overcompensation
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From other sites and prior time on rpguild, I'm used to the whole, "ok you're accepted" being the final ok.

But yeah, you're right. I sent a pm to start the process of history. thanks


With the changes you mentioned, ok you're accepted.

As a physics student I can assure you that there is no mechanic by which you can put a stick of uranium in a rifle and "make it go boom more," as you say. We have no knowledge of uranium or the means to refine it, no substantial basis in atomic theory and definitely no nuclear weapons, tactical or not. Furthermore, in order to create nuclear fission you need some fairly large devices which could not fit inside of a gun even with modern technology.

There's plenty of historical basis for apocalyptic events that didn't involve any nuclear or biological or chemical weapons at all. Take the Russian civil war, throw a famine on top and maybe a pandemic disease, and you've got a similar catastrophe. By no means do you need to use that plot device.
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That makes absolutely no sense. Also rifle sized micro nukes are beyond even modern technology. Why the hell you even want them?


Uranium is used to creates nuclear fission, this controlled nuclear fission energy is used as the substitute for the gunpowder giving the cartridge a huge amount of energy, far more than it would normally gain from igniting gunpowder, and so is fired at a far higher velocity.

They're not nukes for a start. And to put it lightly, they're not beyond our technology, this little reactor isn't going to be able to power a city or anything, it will just be able to give the power for the firing of the rifle. So all you need is a source of radiation, in this case uranium which is handily abundant in my land, and some basic control rods to stop the chain reaction. The first nuclear fission reactor was built in 1942 I'm pretty sure, but it could have been built earlier fairly easily. All that happened was they then spent all their time and money looking at the bomb capabilities. The obvious risk of holding a small radiation producing stick of uranium is the inevitable radiation poisoning, but the sad truth is my nation nearly all already have it after the Fall.

Why I want them is because A) It looks Hella nice and B) Granted you may have to stretch the imagination a bit, but not hugely and I like the idea of it! I could already write pages and pages about this nation and their interactions with their neighbours! And thanks @ClocktowerEchos, but my nation is all burnt up and poisoned with radiation, it's either radiation powered guns or deadly sightseeing �

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Fallout 5 :)
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Uranium is used to creates nuclear fission, this controlled nuclear fission energy is used as the substitute for the gunpowder giving the cartridge a huge amount of energy, far more than it would normally gain from igniting gunpowder, and so is fired at a far higher velocity.

They're not nukes for a start. And to put it lightly, they're not beyond our technology, this little reactor isn't going to be able to power a city or anything, it will just be able to give the power for the firing of the rifle. So all you need is a source of radiation, in this case uranium which is handily abundant in my land, and some basic control rods to stop the chain reaction. The first nuclear fission reactor was built in 1942 I'm pretty sure, but it could have been built earlier fairly easily. All that happened was they then spent all their time and money looking at the bomb capabilities. The obvious risk of holding a small radiation producing stick of uranium is the inevitable radiation poisoning, but the sad truth is my nation nearly all already have it after the Fall.

Why I want them is because A) It looks Hella nice and B) Granted you may have to stretch the imagination a bit, but not hugely and I like the idea of it! I could already write pages and pages about this nation and their interactions with their neighbours! And thanks @ClocktowerEchos, but my nation is all burnt up and poisoned with radiation, it's either radiation powered guns or deadly sightseeing �


I am no radiation expert or science expert, but I can easily call out BS on this. I know for a fact that uranium needs more power than something a gun or even a heavy ass back pack can produce in order to use as substitute for gunpowder. I'm not even sure if you could get it to work without violently exploding and killing your own guys accuming it would work.

Also, may I ask how the hell did your entire nation get radiation fallout? If that's the case, the entire fucking world would be having some trace of fallout with wind currents and stuff.

In short, where the hell is all of this stuff coming from? How the hell does a former colony have such advanced nuclear tech that they can make guns out of it (that wouldn't work). The rest of the world is most likely just getting started with nuclear reactors and you're chilling over there with uranium guns and nuclear fallout which some how doesn't affect anyone else.
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I am no radiation expert or science expert, but I can easily call out BS on this. I know for a fact that uranium needs more power than something a gun or even a heavy ass back pack can produce in order to use as substitute for gunpowder. I'm not even sure if you could get it to work without violently exploding and killing your own guys accuming it would work.

Also, may I ask how the hell did your entire nation get radiation fallout? If that's the case, the entire fucking world would be having some trace of fallout with wind currents and stuff.

In short, where the hell is all of this stuff coming from? How the hell does a former colony have such advanced nuclear tech that they can make guns out of it (that wouldn't work). The rest of the world is most likely just getting started with nuclear reactors and you're chilling over there with uranium guns and nuclear fallout which some how doesn't affect anyone else.


A bit severe, don't you think? But you raise some valid points.
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As a physics student I can assure you that there is no mechanic by which you can put a stick of uranium in a rifle and "make it go boom more," as you say. We have no knowledge of uranium or the means to refine it, no substantial basis in atomic theory and definitely no nuclear weapons, tactical or not. Furthermore, in order to create nuclear fission you need some fairly large devices which could not fit inside of a gun even with modern technology.


As someone who is also studying physics, Uranium was discovered in 1789, and discovered to be radioactive in 1896. In terms of not being able to refine it, we were using it in nuclear reactors as early as 1934 and it was Uranium that was inside the first nuclear weapon! So I would argue we had both the knowledge and the means.

Atomic theory was being explored as early as the 18th Century and by the time frame we're looking at we more than understood nuclear particles as well, but I supposed you can put the discovery of nuclear fission itself in 1938, but that's still in the time frame. And again, this is not a nuclear weapon! Far from it, that's a whole other department as far as I'm concerned, this is simply making use of the vast energy involved in nuclear fission.

In terms of size, fair enough you've got me there, I just used some creative licence to make it practical.

I am no radiation expert or science expert, but I can easily call out BS on this. I know for a fact that uranium needs more power than something a gun or even a heavy ass back pack can produce in order to use as substitute for gunpowder. I'm not even sure if you could get it to work without violently exploding and killing your own guys accuming it would work.

Also, may I ask how the hell did your entire nation get radiation fallout? If that's the case, the entire fucking world would be having some trace of fallout with wind currents and stuff.

In short, where the hell is all of this stuff coming from? How the hell does a former colony have such advanced nuclear tech that they can make guns out of it (that wouldn't work). The rest of the world is most likely just getting started with nuclear reactors and you're chilling over there with uranium guns and nuclear fallout which some how doesn't affect anyone else.


Again, the size of the reactor was my creative licence, so you've got me there. However in terms of volatile, nuclear reactors tend to not blow up that often if carefully monitored, otherwise we'd all have three eyes by now.

The radiation poisoning comes from the elusive "Fall" which I was going to keep mysterious, but as you seem so eager for answers, it was the breakdown and failure of the prototype nuclear reactors that the Republic had just created. Basically a triggered fallout of four or five nuclear fission reactors simultaneously. And no, that wouldn't effect the whole world at all, just look at Chernobyl. That reactor went into meltdown but none of us have radiation poisoning do we? So times that by four or five spread out a little bit and you have a nation caught in the fallout zone but not reaching any of the neighbours.

The "stuff" comes from the rich uranium deposits underneath my little nation that were exploited by the previous owners, albeit poorly, triggering the Fall. This allowed Sophia, one of the greatest nuclear scientists ever, so use the abundance of uranium and vast funding and scientific knowledge at her disposal and decided to have a little tinker.

But I know when the people are against me, and seeing as the responses are starting to slip from helpful advice to almost rudeness when I try to defend myself, I'll take back my nation. Say goodbye to my nuclear happy people, and I'm sorry that you couldn't fit them in.
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I'm sure something can be worked out.
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Any time the word nuclear is mentioned, all most see is mushroom clouds.

Personally, id probably drop the nuke rifle as that is the most fanciful one, as you have even stated. (such a fun idea. I'd have one that shoots supersonic javelins. A front loader.

The nuke musket. Mmmmmm
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@RomeroI see you try to make something unique but honestly using nuclear propulsion for your guns is both dangerous and too OP.
And this is assuming it were possible with fissive material which is of course near-impossible due to being far below the critical mass.
There are means to get around this but either way we're talking about atompunk futuristic setting rather than WW2.
Similarly nuclear reactors are way too good for what we currently have.
I suggest dropping this entirely.
Also it may worth noting that the "big bad nazi empire" concept is technically taken by Cyclone's Moravia already. I may have to give it another lookover but it seems similar in that aspect. Not like two similar themes can't exist but you may not want this.
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Personally speaking, I actually don't mind his nation, on principle. An apocalyptic event destroying a nation to see the rise of a radical extremist version built on nazi superscience is actually more along the lines of a proper dieselpunk Nazi Germany in comparison to Moravia which honestly reminds me more of Fascist Italy.

The actual problem I have here is genre and tech creep. I know full well that the "Atom gun" is complete bullshit scientifically, however he could probably respond in kind on the things like flying battleships (Which is physically impossible, even with a 100% efficient lighter than air gas and "Mithril" light metals) and impossible genetics (like my Naga people). That said, the issue here is that we are doing a dieselpunk setting and from my long, long experience in NRPs, usually when you allow elements of more advanced genres in (Like a steampunk 18th century allowing WW1 stuff in eventually leads to Cold War gunships and cruise missiles, which happened once) it happens.

At the end of the day, I suggest to allow the GM to just give his verdict and move on.

my suggestion (Chemical weapon/bio-weapon or a less advanced nuclear disaster) still stands though.
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