[OOC] The Sun Will Never Set (Reboot)

[Willy Vereb]

I have nothing against his nation, either. I just feel atom guns and nuclear reactors would inevitably lead to a massive tech creep.
Clock jokes about my 15m wide jet exhaust mounted on watercrafts but that's just one-off exaggeration made for fluff madness. I deliberately tried to make my vehicles to center on pre-war themes in general. Case in point in me being probably the only nation who uses cavalry tanks as my main force instead of using the mid-WW2 style light, medium, heavy tank mix most nations have in the RP.

It's true that nuclear research was far from anything new. America also had an experimental nuclear reactor before even the war. But that's different from having atompunk/fallout style tiny nuclear reactors put into everything.
At this stage I may as well just declare I arm my elves with portable weapons grade lasers and nobody could say a word. That was the issue.
That and these reactors being a ridiculously huge hazard. Shielding these things would be near-impossible, scaling down the mechanism is a nightmare and the recoil generated by these nuke-pumped guns would be too big for a humanoid to bear. I made calculations before with artillery using nuclear detonations to launch shells. This would be worse.

I really don't wish to impede Romero's creativity but his concept was too much for the setting. I wish he could return with new ideas.

[Isotope]

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@Isotope

So I go there.. and you aren't there.

[Cyclone]

I've been working on a summary of Moravia's views and relations with most nearby nations. Some are still missing, but the ones that I expect to interact with a lot and/or have an influence on Moravia are listed.

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Moravia's Foreign Relations (WIP)

PRK:
Communist threat to the stability of the region: -----5
We want to reclaim our rightful land (Both parts of the Holy and Old Moravian Empires were lost): -----5
Historical Hatred: ----4
Sizable military threat: ---3
Fuso-Izuno Proxy War: ---3
Anti-religion: --2
Main economic rival: --2
Female ruler: -1
War would be very costly: +++3
Net Opinion: Hated Enemy (-22)
What this means: After more than a thousand years of brooding distrust and mutual hatred, the very name Kataylabinsk has a horrible connotation throughout all of Moravia. The inhabitants of the PRK are essentially considered to be subhuman animals, and the Commonwealth hates both that region and its people to the point of no reconcilliation.

Verendes:
Heathen Religion: -1
Female ruler: -1
Conservative leanings: +1
Historical Friend(Supported fascist uprising): ++2
No interest in conquering Verenden land: ++2
Military Aid: (Naval Modernization): +++3
Enemy of the PRK: ++++4
Strategic Ally(Strong navy and important geographic location): ++++4
Important source of petroleum and other imports +++++5
Net Opinion: Staunch Ally (+19)
What this means: Verendes is the oldest of Moravia's allies, and at this point the relationship is looking like it will last a long time. Particularly when faced with the looming threats of Avalia, the PRK, and to a lesser extent Zenovia, Verendes is a much welcomed ally amongst a virtual sea of enemies.

Ceresia:
Intense opposition from gnomish population: ----4
Matriarchy: -2
Poor relations with Verendes: -2
Female ruler: -1
Heathen Religion: -1
Moravian Racism towards nonhumanoids: -1
Xenophobia towards underwater nation: -1
Has a political faction with fascist leanings: +1
Good Trade Opportunities: +1
Conservative leanings: ++2
Chose the right side in hte izuno-Fuso conflict: ++2
Potentially powerful ally: +++3
Dislikes PRK and Avalia: +++4
Net Opinion: On the fence (+1)
What this means: It is hard to predict how any interaction would go, seeing as there are plenty of resons to both like or loathe Ceresia. As a result, Moravia is rather polarized when it comes to dealings with Ceresia and it would take something major to cause both sides to come close to anything of a consensus regarding how diplomacy should be handled with this nation. Fortunately, Moravia hasn't been forced to make much of a decision yet due to their lack of historical interation with Ceresia and the large distance between the nations.

Worth noting is that the gnomish population of Moravia vehemently wants to retake Mostia (they are again split by whether or not they would want Mostia as an independent state or part of the Commonwealth) but the Moravian government itself does not necessarily share this position with the gnomish minority.

Izuno:
Supporting them means destroying any potential for relations with Fuso: ----4
Not very modern: --2
Heathen Religion: -1
Closer to us than Fuso, and more ideologically compatible: +1
Conservative leanings: ++2
Business ties with Izunese colonies: ++2
Historical Friend(Fought a war together recently): ++2
Strategic Position: ++2
Dislikes the PRK: ++2
Ally: +++3
Important source of petroleum and other imports: +++++5
Net opinion: Ally (+12)
What this means: For numerous reasons, the Commonwealth feels that it is compatible with Izuno and has chosen to take their side in the conflict against Fuso. This has resulted in nothing but mutual benefit, and as time has gone on relations have only grown friendlier to the point of becoming solid allies. For business interests as well as supporting a nation that they genuinely consider a friend, Moravia stands as Izuno's most stalwart ally.

Fuso:
We are officially at war: -----5
Allied to the PRK and Avalia: ----4
You are at war with our ally Izuno: ----4
We recognize Izuno's claims over yours: ---3
Female soldiers: --2
Wretched culture of debauchery and poor morals: --2
Heathen religion: -1
Fuso has plenty of resources that we would want: ++2
The people don't feel that fighting this faroff enemy is worth lives or resources: ++++4

Avalia:
Outright ally to the PRK: -----4
On the wrong side of the Fuso-Izuno conflict: ---3
Icy relations with our ally Verendes: ---3
They dislike us and refuse to trade: ---3
Anti-religion: --2
Far too liberal on many issues: -1
Female soldiers: -1
Female ruler: -1
No interest in conquering Avalian land: ++2
Strategic position: ++2
War would be too costly: +++3
They have valuable technology and goods to offer: +++3
Net opinion: Regretful enemy (-8)
What this means: The Commonwealth has plenty of reasons to dislike Avalia, but these would have been possible to overlook were they not essentially forced into their current position of returning Avalia's hostility with like kind. While cooperation is unlikely on Avalia's end, Moravia might at least be willing to try diplomacy.

Yllendthyr:
The sole biggest contender to Moravia's military dominance, in our eyes: ---3
Fellow Military Expansionist, with global holdings everywhere: --2
They seem to be too close to Avalia: --2
Traditionally isolated from us: --2
Heathen religion: -1
Conservative leanings: ++2
Moravia has no desire to conquer Yllendthyr's lands: ++2
Much better to be a friend than an enemy: ++2
Admiration and respect for what is seen as a fellow ancient empire: ++2
Very good trade opportunities: ++++4
Net opinion: Friendly (+2)
What this means: In general, Moravia is interested in diplomacy with Yllendthyr mainly to decrease the likelihood of them and their allies from joining with the PRK-Avalia block in the case of any military conflicts. Beyond that, they also see great potential in attempting to actually pull Yllendthyr onto the fray as an ally, and would be willing to supplicate to a great extent if it meant having such a powerful ally to help permanently dismantle the PRK. In the worst possible case, they would like to at least maintain trade relations with Yllendthyr and not draw the ire of a global naval power that could cause a great deal of trouble through blockades.

[ZB1996]

I can't remember exactly where it was postrd, but this material from Avalia that makes airships possible - would it be attainable easily enough for everyone to have some?

[Romero]

I'm not going to keep arguing this, so now I need some ideas!

My military is supposed to be made up of heavy cavalry (Night Mares, which hopefully you guys allow), a decent navy (albeit one that is as likely to rebel than to follow orders), a limited supply of quite good fighter planes, some big guns, and ranks of infantry with powerful guns.

Obviously I don't have any tanks, or anything noticeable anti-tank wise, that's where my Reactor Rifles were going to make me even slightly competitive seeing as you all have militaries bigger than my entire population, so now I need ideas as to what technology is available to make powerful enough rifles to be strategically valuable. Any and all ideas are welcome!

EDIT: Railguns maybe?

[Isotope]

I'm not going to keep arguing this, so now I need some ideas!

My military is supposed to be made up of heavy cavalry (Night Mares, which hopefully you guys allow), a decent navy (albeit one that is as likely to rebel than to follow orders), a limited supply of quite good fighter planes, some big guns, and ranks of infantry with powerful guns.

Obviously I don't have any tanks, or anything noticeable anti-tank wise, that's where my Reactor Rifles were going to make me even slightly competitive seeing as you all have militaries bigger than my entire population, so now I need ideas as to what technology is available to make powerful enough rifles to be strategically valuable. Any and all ideas are welcome!

EDIT: Railguns maybe?

@Romero

IMO when compared to atom guns railguns are the MORE problematic option. The main issue is you'd have to possess a enormous advantage in many areas for railguns work, manufacturing the capacitors alone would put you ahead of everyone on the planet. Simply put, unless you can store and funnel amounts of energy with an efficiency far beyond anything currently existing railguns are a distant dream, even if technically possible. Miniaturization is a whole different issue.

Just try for something less sci-fi and more grease and gas. I mean, you could do diesel mechs or develop special chemical weapons or anything in between.

[Romero]

That's fair enough, the amount of electricity you'd need would be huge. I'm still trying to go for the crazy scientist weapon type feel, so my final suggestion for a type of rifle before I scrap the entire nation and start over, the Tesla Gun, albeit not invented by Tesla.

There's all kinds of theories that he was within reaching distance of achieving it, and I mean some guy managed to effectively build one in his basement! Bear in mind that my army is absolutely tiny compared to everyone else in the game, so I wouldn't be able to conquer the world solo, tesla guns or not

[Isotope]

Honestly Tesla guns while totally silly are just balanced enough and dieselpunkyto fit the setting well, but perhaps as a result of that it seems several nations/political alliances, are already looking into it.

In the last IC post from the Moravia-Verendes-Izuno side of things the Izunese have a decent amount of theoretical work done on such a weapon and Serp informed me OOCly that Ceresia is likley going to concurrently have such a program underway.

[Romero]

Well someone has to make them first right? Why not the crazy nazi's?

[Isotope]

I see no issue with them working on it, but so far as I know nobody is anywhere close to a working prototype tesla gun yet so it'd be a bit odd to think a nation is already producing tons and everyone else just started thinking of them.

But its not my thing, so Serp and Sigma are the ones to talk to.

[Willy Vereb]

I'm not going to keep arguing this, so now I need some ideas!

My military is supposed to be made up of heavy cavalry (Night Mares, which hopefully you guys allow), a decent navy (albeit one that is as likely to rebel than to follow orders), a limited supply of quite good fighter planes, some big guns, and ranks of infantry with powerful guns.

Obviously I don't have any tanks, or anything noticeable anti-tank wise, that's where my Reactor Rifles were going to make me even slightly competitive seeing as you all have militaries bigger than my entire population, so now I need ideas as to what technology is available to make powerful enough rifles to be strategically valuable. Any and all ideas are welcome!

EDIT: Railguns maybe?

@Romero

Railguns are very unlikely as personal weapon, especially this early. Electronic weapons in general only "slightly" better than chemical ones even with sufficient power source. Their usefulness is in other qualities.
As for advanced but small military the problem with these is often that how would you prevent people from taking your technology?

That's fair enough, the amount of electricity you'd need would be huge. I'm still trying to go for the crazy scientist weapon type feel, so my final suggestion for a type of rifle before I scrap the entire nation and start over, the Tesla Gun, albeit not invented by Tesla.

There's all kinds of theories that he was within reaching distance of achieving it, and I mean some guy managed to effectively build one in his basement! Bear in mind that my army is absolutely tiny compared to everyone else in the game, so I wouldn't be able to conquer the world solo, tesla guns or not

@Romero

Tesla weapons can work. Others are referring more to the "Red Alert" kind of Tesla variety (big-ass lightning guns) but I suppose you mean his actual designs?
Yeah, if you give it sufficient amount of tech limitations so they don't just become "super guns" which everyone should have I can see this work.
Tesla's original idea was basically to accelerate a stream of tungsten atoms at massive velocities using something akin to a coilgun. The damage of this weapon system was supposed to be thanks to its concentrated beams being sustained. So you could carve neat and thin holes in stuff.
You can make these into mighty good defense turrets and there'd be perhaps rumors of you magically destroying trespassing aircraft which would make most nations wary of you.
Making mobile versions of this weapon would be more difficult since power storage and generation is kind of primitive at this time. That being said you'd have such weapons, just they won't maintain their "beam" for that long and would be overall weaker.

[Cyclone]

@Romero

Basing your guns off what Willy just talked about would be cool and probably fit your criteria.

On a side note, all this talk of "balancing" nations seems unnecessary. From a story point of view some have to be strong and some have to be weak, and we could easily develop the plot in a way that results in the underdogs and little nations miraculously beating some of the huge powers.

[Willy Vereb]

@Romero

Basing your guns off what Willy just talked about would be cool and probably fit your criteria.

On a side note, all this talk of "balancing" nations seems unnecessary. From a story point of view some have to be strong and some have to be weak, and we could easily develop the plot in a way that results in the underdogs and little nations miraculously beating some of the huge powers.

@Cyclone

Balance is important for the free expression of players. It's important to not pressure others to do things which they wouldn't want from the beginning.
On the other hand there's no need for exact balance here. Neither it's desirable. Too much balancing has the same or worse effects than doing it too little.

[Romero]

It was his designs I was thinking of exactly! What I'm planning is kind of small bursts of superheating beams of tungsten, no longer than half a second, fitting with the rifle idea, and then some big ass tesla coil defence turrets to fire lightning.

If that tech is okay, then I can't wait!

[Willy Vereb]

It was his designs I was thinking of exactly! What I'm planning is kind of small bursts of superheating beams of tungsten, no longer than half a second, fitting with the rifle idea, and then some big ass tesla coil defence turrets to fire lightning.

If that tech is okay, then I can't wait!

@Romero

Um, that's completely different from what I said.
First off your "tesla rifle" would be most likely heavy, potentially backed up with a backpack full of electric battery. It'd also have issues with impacts or bad weather.
Besides if you are so good at electricity why can't you use vehicles?
Tesla's deathray is the best against aircraft. You can easily create your equivalent of SPAAGs.

Also let's forget lightning weapons. They don't worth the effort.

[Romero]

Isn't that nearly exactly what you said?

That being said you'd have such weapons, just they won't maintain their "beam" for that long and would be overall weaker.

@Willy Vereb

I said that the tesla "rifles" would have shorter bursts, and Tesla's designs were for the accelerated particles to superheat anything they made contact with.

And in terms of the towers, well I'm not using the same technology, I'm adapting the tesla coil into something that is attracted to any metal that comes within its range and sending huge amounts of voltage and current, effectively killing anything it struck.

[Voltus_Ventus]

Isn't that nearly exactly what you said?

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I said that the tesla "rifles" would have shorter bursts, and Tesla's designs were for the accelerated particles to superheat anything they made contact with.

And in terms of the towers, well I'm not using the same technology, I'm adapting the tesla coil into something that is attracted to any metal that comes within its range and sending huge amounts of voltage and current, effectively killing anything it struck.

@Romero

How about a rifle, that fires a bullet and as the bullet leaves, it gets electrified? Forget the physics/practicality. Just give it a heavy battery pack and make it dangerous in the rain and it's fine, you would have to switch the electricity off during the wet, make them a bit weak when the electricity is off, problem solved.

[ClocktowerEchos]

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How about a rifle, that fires a bullet and as the bullet leaves, it gets electrified? Forget the physics/practicality. Just give it a heavy battery pack and make it dangerous in the rain and it's fine, you would have to switch the electricity off during the wet, make them a bit weak when the electricity is off, problem solved.

@Voltus_Ventus

Isn't that just a glorified coilgun then?

[Romero]

Coilguns sound the safest bet now. As long as that's okay of course!