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I have nothing against his nation, either. I just feel atom guns and nuclear reactors would inevitably lead to a massive tech creep.
Clock jokes about my 15m wide jet exhaust mounted on watercrafts but that's just one-off exaggeration made for fluff madness. I deliberately tried to make my vehicles to center on pre-war themes in general. Case in point in me being probably the only nation who uses cavalry tanks as my main force instead of using the mid-WW2 style light, medium, heavy tank mix most nations have in the RP.

It's true that nuclear research was far from anything new. America also had an experimental nuclear reactor before even the war. But that's different from having atompunk/fallout style tiny nuclear reactors put into everything.
At this stage I may as well just declare I arm my elves with portable weapons grade lasers and nobody could say a word. That was the issue.
That and these reactors being a ridiculously huge hazard. Shielding these things would be near-impossible, scaling down the mechanism is a nightmare and the recoil generated by these nuke-pumped guns would be too big for a humanoid to bear. I made calculations before with artillery using nuclear detonations to launch shells. This would be worse.

I really don't wish to impede Romero's creativity but his concept was too much for the setting. I wish he could return with new ideas.

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I've been working on a summary of Moravia's views and relations with most nearby nations. Some are still missing, but the ones that I expect to interact with a lot and/or have an influence on Moravia are listed.

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I can't remember exactly where it was postrd, but this material from Avalia that makes airships possible - would it be attainable easily enough for everyone to have some?
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I'm not going to keep arguing this, so now I need some ideas!

My military is supposed to be made up of heavy cavalry (Night Mares, which hopefully you guys allow), a decent navy (albeit one that is as likely to rebel than to follow orders), a limited supply of quite good fighter planes, some big guns, and ranks of infantry with powerful guns.

Obviously I don't have any tanks, or anything noticeable anti-tank wise, that's where my Reactor Rifles were going to make me even slightly competitive seeing as you all have militaries bigger than my entire population, so now I need ideas as to what technology is available to make powerful enough rifles to be strategically valuable. Any and all ideas are welcome!

EDIT: Railguns maybe?
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I'm not going to keep arguing this, so now I need some ideas!

My military is supposed to be made up of heavy cavalry (Night Mares, which hopefully you guys allow), a decent navy (albeit one that is as likely to rebel than to follow orders), a limited supply of quite good fighter planes, some big guns, and ranks of infantry with powerful guns.

Obviously I don't have any tanks, or anything noticeable anti-tank wise, that's where my Reactor Rifles were going to make me even slightly competitive seeing as you all have militaries bigger than my entire population, so now I need ideas as to what technology is available to make powerful enough rifles to be strategically valuable. Any and all ideas are welcome!

EDIT: Railguns maybe?


IMO when compared to atom guns railguns are the MORE problematic option. The main issue is you'd have to possess a enormous advantage in many areas for railguns work, manufacturing the capacitors alone would put you ahead of everyone on the planet. Simply put, unless you can store and funnel amounts of energy with an efficiency far beyond anything currently existing railguns are a distant dream, even if technically possible. Miniaturization is a whole different issue.

Just try for something less sci-fi and more grease and gas. I mean, you could do diesel mechs or develop special chemical weapons or anything in between.
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That's fair enough, the amount of electricity you'd need would be huge. I'm still trying to go for the crazy scientist weapon type feel, so my final suggestion for a type of rifle before I scrap the entire nation and start over, the Tesla Gun, albeit not invented by Tesla.

There's all kinds of theories that he was within reaching distance of achieving it, and I mean some guy managed to effectively build one in his basement! Bear in mind that my army is absolutely tiny compared to everyone else in the game, so I wouldn't be able to conquer the world solo, tesla guns or not
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Honestly Tesla guns while totally silly are just balanced enough and dieselpunkyto fit the setting well, but perhaps as a result of that it seems several nations/political alliances, are already looking into it.

In the last IC post from the Moravia-Verendes-Izuno side of things the Izunese have a decent amount of theoretical work done on such a weapon and Serp informed me OOCly that Ceresia is likley going to concurrently have such a program underway.

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Well someone has to make them first right? Why not the crazy nazi's?
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I see no issue with them working on it, but so far as I know nobody is anywhere close to a working prototype tesla gun yet so it'd be a bit odd to think a nation is already producing tons and everyone else just started thinking of them.

But its not my thing, so Serp and Sigma are the ones to talk to.
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I'm not going to keep arguing this, so now I need some ideas!

My military is supposed to be made up of heavy cavalry (Night Mares, which hopefully you guys allow), a decent navy (albeit one that is as likely to rebel than to follow orders), a limited supply of quite good fighter planes, some big guns, and ranks of infantry with powerful guns.

Obviously I don't have any tanks, or anything noticeable anti-tank wise, that's where my Reactor Rifles were going to make me even slightly competitive seeing as you all have militaries bigger than my entire population, so now I need ideas as to what technology is available to make powerful enough rifles to be strategically valuable. Any and all ideas are welcome!

EDIT: Railguns maybe?
Railguns are very unlikely as personal weapon, especially this early. Electronic weapons in general only "slightly" better than chemical ones even with sufficient power source. Their usefulness is in other qualities.
As for advanced but small military the problem with these is often that how would you prevent people from taking your technology?

That's fair enough, the amount of electricity you'd need would be huge. I'm still trying to go for the crazy scientist weapon type feel, so my final suggestion for a type of rifle before I scrap the entire nation and start over, the Tesla Gun, albeit not invented by Tesla.

There's all kinds of theories that he was within reaching distance of achieving it, and I mean some guy managed to effectively build one in his basement! Bear in mind that my army is absolutely tiny compared to everyone else in the game, so I wouldn't be able to conquer the world solo, tesla guns or not
Tesla weapons can work. Others are referring more to the "Red Alert" kind of Tesla variety (big-ass lightning guns) but I suppose you mean his actual designs?
Yeah, if you give it sufficient amount of tech limitations so they don't just become "super guns" which everyone should have I can see this work.
Tesla's original idea was basically to accelerate a stream of tungsten atoms at massive velocities using something akin to a coilgun. The damage of this weapon system was supposed to be thanks to its concentrated beams being sustained. So you could carve neat and thin holes in stuff.
You can make these into mighty good defense turrets and there'd be perhaps rumors of you magically destroying trespassing aircraft which would make most nations wary of you.
Making mobile versions of this weapon would be more difficult since power storage and generation is kind of primitive at this time. That being said you'd have such weapons, just they won't maintain their "beam" for that long and would be overall weaker.

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Basing your guns off what Willy just talked about would be cool and probably fit your criteria.

On a side note, all this talk of "balancing" nations seems unnecessary. From a story point of view some have to be strong and some have to be weak, and we could easily develop the plot in a way that results in the underdogs and little nations miraculously beating some of the huge powers.
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Basing your guns off what Willy just talked about would be cool and probably fit your criteria.

On a side note, all this talk of "balancing" nations seems unnecessary. From a story point of view some have to be strong and some have to be weak, and we could easily develop the plot in a way that results in the underdogs and little nations miraculously beating some of the huge powers.
Balance is important for the free expression of players. It's important to not pressure others to do things which they wouldn't want from the beginning.
On the other hand there's no need for exact balance here. Neither it's desirable. Too much balancing has the same or worse effects than doing it too little.

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It was his designs I was thinking of exactly! What I'm planning is kind of small bursts of superheating beams of tungsten, no longer than half a second, fitting with the rifle idea, and then some big ass tesla coil defence turrets to fire lightning.

If that tech is okay, then I can't wait!
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It was his designs I was thinking of exactly! What I'm planning is kind of small bursts of superheating beams of tungsten, no longer than half a second, fitting with the rifle idea, and then some big ass tesla coil defence turrets to fire lightning.

If that tech is okay, then I can't wait!
Um, that's completely different from what I said.
First off your "tesla rifle" would be most likely heavy, potentially backed up with a backpack full of electric battery. It'd also have issues with impacts or bad weather.
Besides if you are so good at electricity why can't you use vehicles?
Tesla's deathray is the best against aircraft. You can easily create your equivalent of SPAAGs.

Also let's forget lightning weapons. They don't worth the effort.

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Isn't that nearly exactly what you said?

That being said you'd have such weapons, just they won't maintain their "beam" for that long and would be overall weaker.


I said that the tesla "rifles" would have shorter bursts, and Tesla's designs were for the accelerated particles to superheat anything they made contact with.

And in terms of the towers, well I'm not using the same technology, I'm adapting the tesla coil into something that is attracted to any metal that comes within its range and sending huge amounts of voltage and current, effectively killing anything it struck.
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Isn't that nearly exactly what you said?

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I said that the tesla "rifles" would have shorter bursts, and Tesla's designs were for the accelerated particles to superheat anything they made contact with.

And in terms of the towers, well I'm not using the same technology, I'm adapting the tesla coil into something that is attracted to any metal that comes within its range and sending huge amounts of voltage and current, effectively killing anything it struck.


How about a rifle, that fires a bullet and as the bullet leaves, it gets electrified? Forget the physics/practicality. Just give it a heavy battery pack and make it dangerous in the rain and it's fine, you would have to switch the electricity off during the wet, make them a bit weak when the electricity is off, problem solved.
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How about a rifle, that fires a bullet and as the bullet leaves, it gets electrified? Forget the physics/practicality. Just give it a heavy battery pack and make it dangerous in the rain and it's fine, you would have to switch the electricity off during the wet, make them a bit weak when the electricity is off, problem solved.


Isn't that just a glorified coilgun then?
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Coilguns sound the safest bet now. As long as that's okay of course!
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