Durnehviir said
Say Sloth, when's that Mizukage gonna be up?

Well, once I've finished all of his Vapor stuff, I could post a skeleton sheet of only his abilities/equipment to make sure everything's chill before I went ham and bacon on that history.

Sloth said
Does this mean I can summon a gigantic whale in the middle of a forest and expect it to survive?It's a relatively minor detail that breaks the immersion for me, 's all.Like making a Tsuchikage who uses nothing but Raiton or a Raikage with nothing but Doton. That kind of stuff.Breaks the environmental tone.

Need I remind you that the land of water and the mist village are not underwater, they're on land as well, your analogy makes no sense. Also Aki uses water techniques just look at his canon jutsus, and I already said in his CS that his clan migrated to the hidden mist village. Bloodline techniques are determined by clans not by villages.

I had a character who was a Kiri Katon user. She was outcast, abused and thrown out into the streets for it.

@ Tatsua,
That actually sounds hilarious.
Lose every single fight because everyone is a water user.

@Yog,
Also, the mist village, where the ninja are trained, is on an Island. That's the point he's making, Yog. I'm sure you've noticed in the series the references to aquatic animals and the mist village. Kisame used sharks, not bears. There is a theme revolving around the Mist village. Though, again, I don't think it is a big deal in regards to summoned creatures, the point is water. You most likely wouldn't see a desert tortoise or a scorpion summoned by a Mist ninja. It would be weird. Also, clans are typically in a respective village and have a respective element related to that village. i.e. Uchiha and land of fire.

There is a theme in Naruto and the villages.

Yog Sothoth said Need I remind you that the land of water and the mist village are not in water, they're on land as well, your analogy makes no sense.

Yet the Land of Water is surrounded by the ocean. The vast majority of its territory is water, and due to Kiri being the "largest trading port in the world", one could probably assume there's a fair amount of water, shipyards, so on. And that's not even bringing in the fact that shinobi are powerful enough to turn forests into oceans by Part 2.

The point is that you need some source of water to be able to summon a dang whale onto a battlefield, whether it be user created, or natural. I guess a more logical analogy would be if a Penguin could survive next to a volcano. I'm not trying to say "OH MY GOD GET THE HELL OUT OF KIRI!" I'm just kinda...I don't know, bummed about it a little?

Yog Sothoth said Also Aki uses water techniques just look at his canon jutsus

Okay?

Yog Sothoth said and I already said in his CS that his clan migrated to the hidden mist village. Bloodline techniques are determined by clans not by villages.

Hozuki turn their bodies into water, granted that's a hiden. Gaara's father could screw around with the magnetism in sand (What do you mean ninja in Kumo have had that kekkei genkai? Hush). Amaterasu is the highest form of Fire Release, and only achievable via an Uchiha kekkei genkai.

I'm just Saiyan. Flavor, my N-word! Flavor!

Durnehviir said
@ Tatsua,That actually sounds hilarious.Lose every single fight because everyone is a water user. @Yog,Also, the mist village, where the ninja are trained, is on an Island. That's the point he's making, Yog. I'm sure you've noticed in the series the references to aquatic animals and the mist village. Kisame used sharks, not bears. There is a theme revolving around the Mist village. Though, again, I don't think it is a big deal in regards to summoned creatures, the point is water. You most likely wouldn't see a desert tortoise or a scorpion summoned by a Mist ninja. It would be weird. Also, are typically in a respective village and have a respective element related to that village. Uchiha and land of fire. There is a theme in Naruto and the villages.

Then explain Kimmimaru, his clan was part of the mist village and they used bone techniques, bones are not made of any of the elements that make water. I get what you're getting at, but the fact is there are exception to things. Anyway Aki still uses water techniques so he still follows the theme of water

So is Iwa going to be stuck as an NPC nation?

Sloth said
Yet the Land of Water is surrounded by the ocean. The vast majority of its territory is water, and due to Kiri being the "largest trading port in the world", one could probably assume there's a fair amount of water, shipyards, so on. And that's not even bringing in the fact that shinobi are powerful enough to turn forests into oceans by Part 2. The point is that you need some source of water to be able to summon a dang whale onto a battlefield, whether it be user created, or natural. I guess a more logical analogy would be if a Penguin could survive next to a volcano. I'm not trying to say "OH MY GOD GET THE HELL OUT OF KIRI!" I'm just kinda...I don't know, bummed about it a little? Okay?Hozuki turn their bodies into water, granted that's a hiden. Gaara's father could screw around with the magnetism in sand (What do you mean ninja in Kumo have had that kekkei genkai? Hush). Amaterasu is the highest form of Fire Release, and only achievable via an Uchiha kekkei genkai. I'm just Saiyan. Flavor, my N-word! Flavor!

I think if you look at all of Naruto you will see that there are exceptions to village trends. I'm not mad, I'm just pointing out flaws in your argument

You guys are taking things too literally. Kimi's KG fit the ideal of the Hidden mist, even if it didn't fit the element.

Tatsua Aiisen said
You guys are taking things too literally. Kimi's KG fit the ideal of the Hidden mist, even if it didn't fit the element.

What was that?

Yog Sothoth said
Then explain Kimmimaru, his clan was part of the mist village and they used bone techniques, bones are not made of any of the elements that make water. I get what you're getting at, but the fact is there are exception to things. Anyway Aki still uses water techniques so he still follows the theme of water

Where does it say Kaguya were Mist-nin?

Yog Sothoth said
I think if you look all of Naruto you will see that there are exceptions to village trends

I...never....said there wasn't?

But the vast majority of these "exceptions" occur in Konoha AKA "We can do anything."-ville.

Tatsua Aiisen said
You guys are taking things too literally. Kimi's KG fit the ideal of the Hidden mist, even if it didn't fit the element.

He just...kinda summons animals? That doesn't fit into the theme of any village, it can be placed in any location and be made to work. It's the weird summoning of cheetahs and rhinos in an Island nation that's taking me off-guard.

From what I read, the Kaguya clan (Kimi's clan) was stated to have attacked Kirigakure, not that they were from there.
Though, lol, there isn't a bone village so Kimi could have fit in anywhere. That is not an elemental technique nor does it really relate to any element as it is biological. If he could grow and sprout plants or turn his bones into stone that'd be different. But bone could fall into any element. Especially if you consider that bones are full of stuff like blood and squishy stuff and white blood cells. Physiologically, it could really fit in with the mist village all the same as the Byakugan fits in with the Leaf :0

Sloth, you should reconsider your response by taking a look at Aki's name, and then considering that I said Kimi, a commonly used short form for Kimimaro.

Most canon exceptions fit within a specific theme, you would have to be blind to think that any village was bound by elemental limitations.

Sloth said
Where does it say Kaguya were Mist-nin?I...never....said there wasn't?But the vast majority of these "exceptions" occur in Konoha AKA "We can do anything."-ville. He just...kinda summons animals? That doesn't fit into the theme of any village, it can be placed in any location and be made to work. It's the weird summoning of cheetahs and rhinos in an Island nation that's taking me off-guard.

He doesn't summon cheetahs or rhinos, those are just the names of the techniques, cheetah rush is a taijutsu technique and rhino force is supplementary jutsu, no summoning at all

If my clan was based on the complete dedication to summoning, why wouldn't I live where my summons would be at home? They would surely live near their summons, so I can see how Kiri would be a good choice for something like sharks or eels. Of course, if you use multiple types of summons (mammals, birds, fish) then who cares where you live? I assume that is what that one Genin uses, all sorts of animals instead of specializing.

IVIasterJay said
So is Iwa going to be stuck as an NPC nation?

No love for Iwa. :0

Tatsua Aiisen said
Sloth, you should reconsider your response by taking a look at Aki's name, and then considering that I said Kimi, a commonly used short form for Kimimaro. Most canon exceptions fit within a specific theme, you would have to be blind to think that any village was bound by elemental limitations.

Whoops.

My eyes are playin' tricks on me!

Fun and games in Shinjitsu no Mon. And the IC hasn't even started yet.

Sloth, I'm cool with the idea of wanting things to make sense, but perhaps you would be better off suggesting a solution if you see a problem?

Yog Sothoth said
He doesn't summon cheetahs or rhinos, those are just the names of the techniques, cheetah rush is a taijutsu technique and rhino force is supplementary jutsu, no summoning at all

Ahh, honest mistake. You still summon lions though!

AHAHHAHAHA MY ARGUMENT IS NOW NOT ENTIRELY INVALID!

Sinjun said
Fun and games in Shinjitsu no Mon. And the IC hasn't even started yet.Sloth, I'm cool with the idea of wanting things to make sense, but perhaps you would be better off suggesting a solution if you see a problem?

I wasn't saying it was a problem per say.

I mean, I could suggest he rename the techniques after sea creatures and what not, but that'd take a lot of research on my part if I were to help out.

I'm sure no one would think growing hands like a crab's pincers or a nose like a swordfish's....thing? Would be as neat or convenient as the claws/eyes of a tiger.

Though having the strength of a whale could be swapped out with Rhino force.

I now go to the thinking chamber to ponder these developments.

*Ezo summons Fenrir*

"Hey Fenrir, what do you think of Iwagakure?

It is far too rocky for my liking. I can't even sit down without a pointed rock digging into my backside. I would much rather be the summon of some Konohagakure weakling than be forced to suffer for your poor choice in habitation.

"Huh, never knew you thought so little of this place. Now stop complaining and suck it up you big wuss! I ain't leaving, and neither are you."

*Fenrir growls* ... *Fenrir is punched in the face by a giant stone fist*

Point: Summons don't get a say.