That would be very interesting. Way more thought put into it then a lot of terrorists being Arab in games/movies/etc just because they're the go to villains outside of Russia. Their religion would need to be so radically transformed that it will be something else entirely. Maybe religion plays little part in their actions as another deviation from the norm when it comes to Arab enemies. My question is how could Saudi Arabia become a dangerous enough threat? They surely have allies or something big happened due to the alternate history to change things. Maybe they even developed into a new country that's an empire of sorts, only with an Empress (of course).

ImportantNobody said
That would be very interesting. Way more thought put into it then a lot of terrorists being Arab in games/movies/etc just because they're the go to villains outside of Russia. Their religion would need to be so radically transformed that it will be something else entirely. Maybe religion plays little part in their actions as another deviation from the norm when it comes to Arab enemies. My question is how could Saudi Arabia become a dangerous enough threat? They surely have allies or something big happened due to the alternate history to change things. Maybe they even developed into a new country that's an empire of sorts, only with an Empress (of course).

They have a huge country, correct? We have evidence that it was once lush, full of trees and plains. Perhaps female engineering managed to restore it to that state,and create an enormous empire through that.

Yeah. I'd hate to sound sexist against men, but I bet Saudi Arabia would benefit greatly without as many men around acting the way they do. Not that I'm saying they all do...please don't kill me!!!
So basically, Saudi Arabia gets ahead of the times, adapting to the crisis while many other nations in the area cling to their old ways. This allows a preemptive strike to take them over while they were in their weakened state, allowing them access to a ton of resources (most notably almost all oil in the middle east). A lot of other countries did little to stop this due to having their own issues and still in the process of transitioning out male troops and getting fresh female troops in so couldn't really do much at the time in terms of a full scale invasion even if they wanted to. By the time they were ready to organize an attack, the newly formed empire was massive in both the middle east and Africa, busy building up their infrastructure, including the oasis stuff as mentioned, and had strong defenses put in place. Plus they might have the backing of the...bad guy alliance guys (I forgot their name). However, this Empire would be the main focus of the attacks in the first roleplay.

Etcetera said
They have a huge country, correct? We have evidence that it was once lush, full of trees and plains. Perhaps female engineering managed to restore it to that state,and create an enormous empire through that.

But then so would every other arid country. Remember, even the best kept secrets never last. The atomic bomb was kept away from the rest of the world for only a few years before the schematics were stolen by Russians and distributed worldwide.

I suggest, in order to keep the plot a little more simple, the y chromosome breaks down within the span of 2-4 years, dropping the male to female birth ratio to 1:10 so we only have to rewrite 20 or so years of human history rather than 40.

shivershiver said
But then so would every other arid country. Remember, even the best kept secrets never last. The atomic bomb was kept away from the rest of the world for only a few years before the schematics were stolen by Russians and distributed worldwide. I suggest, in order to keep the plot a little more simple, the y chromosome breaks down within the span of 2-4 years, dropping the male to female birth ratio to 1:10 so we only have to rewrite 20 or so years of human history rather than 40.

I posted at the same time you did with an explanation to this issue. Saudi Arabia was the first to take advantage of this, and that is all they needed for that all important preemptive strike to take place. By the time schematics could have been stolen they already had their butts whooped.

As for the time scale if it breaking down, I'm open to change. We can put more thought into it to provide the best numbers, but right now I'm too tired to do too much more thinking.

ImportantNobody said
I posted at the same time you did with an explanation to this issue. Saudi Arabia was the first to take advantage of this, and that is all they needed for that all important preemptive strike to take place. By the time schematics cold have been stolen they already had their butts whooped.

Fair, but personally I'd still opt for a more gender-equal country to serve as the antagonist. France, for instance, has a much more educated female population already in various seats of power in politics, and many more are serving as scientists, soldiers, and so on, allowing them to run their country with much more ease than Saudi Arabia. Of course, my knowledge of Arabic culture is pretty much nil, so I'll leave this up to you :D

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Sounds good to me! I just like the storyline as simple as possible so my brain doesn't explode. Politics hurt my head.

shivershiver said
Fair, but personally I'd still opt for a more gender-equal country to serve as the antagonist. France, for instance, has a much more educated female population already in various seats of power in politics, and many more are serving as scientists, soldiers, and so on, allowing them to run their country with much more ease than Saudi Arabia. Of course, my knowledge of Arabic culture is pretty much nil, so I'll leave this up to you :D

France will be another good villain, perhaps the most powerful country in opposition to the allies, but no reason we can't have a Saudi Arabia turned empire as well. Besides, we can't pass up on Iranian female ninjas:

Yes, that's a real thing. Saudi Arabia would have taken over Iran by then so could have these ninjas as their own elite forces. :)

Hmm...and speaking of ninjas, what about Japan?

But the good ole US and A has tons of ladies in the military! With guns! Maybe they'll be the antagonist, that cold provide us with a fresh perspective. And Japan... Oh Japan. There's no predicting what they would do. I can't even imagine.

ImportantNobody said
France will be another good villain, perhaps the most powerful country in opposition to the allies, but no reason we can't have a Saudi Arabia turned empire as well. Besides, we can't pass up on Iranian female ninjas:Yes, that's a real thing. Saudi Arabia would have taken over Iran by then so could have these ninjas as their own elite forces. :)Hmm...and speaking of ninjas, what about Japan?

Japan should be neutral.

shivershiver said
But the good ole US and A has tons of ladies in the military! With guns! Maybe they'll be the antagonist, that cold provide us with a fresh perspective.

The US is "good", although the GCA is known to abuse their near unlimited powers granted to them by the government. From a certain point of view they would be the bad guys. It's not black and white.

Etcetera said
Japan should be neutral.

This would make sense. All the historically neutral, aggressive, and defensive countries would predictably remain in the same state, for some male influence would remain even as the population trickled away. That and sheer cultural beliefs would pretty much ensure who would be the aggressors and so forth.

shivershiver said
This would make sense. All the historically neutral, aggressive, and defensive countries would predictably remain in the same state, for some male influence would remain even as the population trickled away. That and sheer cultural beliefs would pretty much ensure who would be the aggressors and so forth.

Japan changed a lot as a result of WW2. They were the aggressors at some point. They way I see it they could go either way as a result of this mess and the alternate history. It seems like it could be interesting if they come up with some sort of a cure first.

ImportantNobody said
Japan changed a lot as a result of WW2. They were the aggressors at some point. They way I see it they could go either way as a result of this mess and the alternate history. It seems like it could be interesting if they come up with some sort of a cure first.

Japan should be ahead of the game in terms of technology.

Etcetera said
Japan should be ahead of the game in terms of technology.

Maybe they are able to start parthenogenesis or cloning, or they could also keep their males healthy and in stable condition. Either way would given them a huge advantage. They could try to be neutral but things don't end up that way. Maybe the GCA wants to secretly steal all of their information.

ImportantNobody said
Maybe they are able to start parthenogenesis or cloning, or they could also keep their males healthy and in stable condition. Either way would given them a huge advantage. They could try to be neutral but things don't end up that way. Maybe the GCA wants to secretly steal all of their information.

Yeah, that would work well.

Etcetera said
Yeah, that would work well.

Which one?

As for cloning, I'm not sure if I mentioned it or not but the Y chromosome is too damaged to be able to be successfully cloned. That means it's not a permanent solution for that problem (neither is parthenogenesis) but it would keep the human race from becoming extinct, at least. Or at least Japan unless they share their secrets one way or another.

ImportantNobody said
Which one? As for cloning, I'm not sure if I mentioned it or not but the Y chromosome is too damaged to be able to be successfully cloned. That means it's not a permanent solution for that problem (neither is parthenogenesis) but it would keep the human race from becoming extinct, at least. Or at least Japan unless they share their secrets one way or another.

Just technological advances in general. It could make them a target.

With so many possibly plots, to keep things simple we can find out favorite one and stick to that for the first roleplay. If it goes well then we can explore additional plots. I'll go to bed soon so we can continue the discussion tomorrow, or you guys can continue the discussion amongst yourselves.

ImportantNobody said
With so many possibly plots, to keep things simple we can find out favorite one and stick to that for the first roleplay. If it goes well then we can explore additional plots. I'll go to bed soon so we can continue the discussion tomorrow, or you guys can continue the discussion amongst yourselves.

Alright. I'll be here tomorrow.

I think we should go with the Saudi Arabian empire as the man baddies for the first roleplay. France being the more powerful and leader of the World Revolutionary Powers (WRP), the main antagonists, would be better suited as the main threat later on. Perhaps Great Britain would be the main ones fighting France while the US would be more involved in the middle east. They'd probably need a powerful ally over there...India, Isreal, maybe Egypt? However, I don't see Egypt surviving long against the empire, as they Empire has spread into Africa so they must have already defeated Egypt in the process. I doubt China is on the US's side so they are out of the question. China might even be with the WRP.