@IsotopeYeah. I do think there would be a sort of rule for all Oceon mariners to stay out of the Bering Sea at all costs. I also think it would be a mighty big sore spot for a lot of Oceons, and there might be past incidents that just exacerbate the issue.

Perhaps the first ship sent out to the Cascadians came back shot up and with her crew shot to hell as well? That would set a nasty tone for things.

I have to sleep, but I'll discuss more RP stuff in the morning, then I'll post in the IC. I've got two other roleplays I'm prioritizing first though (States of Evolution, MotHV).

@Inkdrop I imagine the first ships that went through after Cascadia tightened her grip on the region would have been told to surrender themselves, and if one did it's likley her crew were executed after a mock 'trial'. After that I can only imagine other vessels refused and were fired upon, just as you say.

It's worth noting that the Cascadian attitude to abhumans is pretty influenced by the Grogar, so Cascadian ships might even fire first in what they see as preemptive action as to them it just follows that all abhumans are violent or scheming.

@Isotopeoh gosh. Yeah, that's one hell of a mess, and a very realistic one I may add. I like it. I'll work that in somewhere, maybe in my next post.

Coolio, it'll be an interesting situation.

@Inkdrop Probably can't be seen in the Mongolian-Han Border though :P

I'm unsure of how much contact Oceos would even have with the Han in the past. Given that they'd probably deem them as Yao Guai from the start, I can't' imagine the Han were too eager to jump on them for aid or trade. Though, if they were coming, asking for passage to the warzone, then maybe the Han would comply with their requests to go to Mongolia with the purpose of getting them killed, it should be funny to see their ships showing up in Shanghai, Shandong or Hancheng asking for passage to the Mongolian Rim

Alright, stage is set for a celebration! there will likely be event invites in my next post... cause.. ya know.

And just think, if Cascadia sends a person and Oceos sends a person.. the tension. the intrigue.

@Monkeypants Should an entertaining party :P

@Shorticus An interesting idea, but all up to you really. I'm good with anything.

In that case, let's leave it as a huge question mark. It can be implied that MAYBE there were some dealings between the East Africa Trade Group and the U.S. involving genetics, but there's no solid proof for or against the idea.

@Brink_@Willy Vereb Gonna go ahead and make it a finalized statement: Malagasy Enterprises USED to buy its tanks chiefly from Hungary. However, in recent years (15 or so years) it's been buying more tanks and planes from Franco-Iberia instead due to their common background. The one tank it still buys from Hungary is the HK-27 Lehel, which is a tank most Peacekeepers are familiar with and so has proven harder to phase out. If a contest between the two nations goes down to prove who makes the better tanks, then Malagasy Enterprises will watch with GREAT interest.

The HK-27 is a mainline tank, so this is actually a considerable purchase Malagasy Enterprises makes.

@Inkdrop Mutants/abhumans/etc. are tolerated in Corporate Madagascar. That's not to say they're loved; they're definitely treated as second class citizens. But they're tolerated. Malagasy Enterprises puts money first and would happily make deals with your nation if it seemed profitable.

@Nerevarine Should we work out what sort of bad blood there may be between our nations? Past wars? It seems very likely to me that they've tangled with each other in the past. I reckon that your nation has the superior navy, but my nation's population and probable land superiority have kept them pretty evenly matched with some wars resulting in losses for one side and some for the other.

@Monkeypants Yeah, I think Corporate Madagascar is definitely supporting the separatists because they figure the two main North American nations aren't going to try punching Madagascar with the distance between them, and they've got a lot to gain by having a third major power crop up in North America (though the Grogar are 100% not compatible with Malagasy needs). So, they're supporting the separatists. That could cause some tension.

With that said, they'd happily help the NAU expand its borders into South America. Why? Because the NAU is friendly with Franco-Iberia. By helping the NAU, Malagasy Enterprises hopes to earn the favor of its "kindred" state, Franco-Iberia. This would probably come in the form of public praise for the NAU's efforts to "civilize the south," trade deals, and maybe even some small military support once the fight gets to Brazil. Both nations are in punching range of that place, after all.

@Isotope We've already agreed that our nations have a cold, standoffish relationship, aye?

@Taeryn Okay, so since both nations are willing to set aside ideals for the sake of mutual benefit and profit (because of course they are), do we want to establish what sort of relationship they have? Trade would definitely be involved.

I'll add that Corporate Madagascar's relationship with your nation will also depend on your nation's relationship with Hungary. Madagascar doesn't want to upset Hungary too much if it can avoid it. They've got a good business relationship going on.

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In that case, let's leave it as a huge question mark. It can be implied that MAYBE there were some dealings between the East Africa Trade Group and the U.S. involving genetics, but there's no solid proof for or against the idea.

@Brink_@Willy Vereb Gonna go ahead and make it a finalized statement: Malagasy Enterprises USED to buy its tanks chiefly from Hungary. However, in recent years (15 or so years) it's been buying more tanks and planes from Franco-Iberia instead due to their common background. The one tank it still buys from Hungary is the HK-27 Lehel, which is a tank most Peacekeepers are familiar with and so has proven harder to phase out. If a contest between the two nations goes down to prove who makes the better tanks, then Malagasy Enterprises will watch with GREAT interest.

The HK-27 is a mainline tank, so this is actually a considerable purchase Malagasy Enterprises makes.

@Inkdrop Mutants/abhumans/etc. are tolerated in Corporate Madagascar. That's not to say they're loved; they're definitely treated as second class citizens. But they're tolerated. Malagasy Enterprises puts money first and would happily make deals with your nation if it seemed profitable.

@Nerevarine Should we work out what sort of bad blood there may be between our nations? Past wars? It seems very likely to me that they've tangled with each other in the past. I reckon that your nation has the superior navy, but my nation's population and probable land superiority have kept them pretty evenly matched with some wars resulting in losses for one side and some for the other.

@Monkeypants Yeah, I think Corporate Madagascar is definitely supporting the separatists because they figure the two main North American nations aren't going to try punching Madagascar with the distance between them, and they've got a lot to gain by having a third major power crop up in North America (though the Grogar are 100% not compatible with Malagasy needs). So, they're supporting the separatists. That could cause some tension.

With that said, they'd happily help the NAU expand its borders into South America. Why? Because the NAU is friendly with Franco-Iberia. By helping the NAU, Malagasy Enterprises hopes to earn the favor of its "kindred" state, Franco-Iberia. This would probably come in the form of public praise for the NAU's efforts to "civilize the south," trade deals, and maybe even some small military support once the fight gets to Brazil. Both nations are in punching range of that place, after all.

@Isotope We've already agreed that our nations have a cold, standoffish relationship, aye?

@Taeryn Okay, so since both nations are willing to set aside ideals for the sake of mutual benefit and profit (because of course they are), do we want to establish what sort of relationship they have? Trade would definitely be involved.

I'll add that Corporate Madagascar's relationship with your nation will also depend on your nation's relationship with Hungary. Madagascar doesn't want to upset Hungary too much if it can avoid it. They've got a good business relationship going on.

Looks good to me. Reminder that I have yet to ask around people about nation relations.

Anyways, if you used to have Hungarian hardware then I suppose your HK-27s are also older models, likely upgraded domestically.
As for competition my original idea was that you'd be the host and the results could decide which tank to adopt.
@Brink_
Although I still wonder what kind of tanks Franco-Iberia have.
Should I assume something similar to what the French had in the 50s? Those are some sweet tanks, mind you.

BTW, how would our international relations to be?
I assumed we fought together in the Great War but against whom?
I think it's about time to solve the loose ends.

Regarding Frano-Iberian attitudes concerning gene modifications and mutants/sub-humans of any sort, I'm assuming that because of the massive immigration rates following the Great Cataclysm, much like how France had dealt with population shifts in the hundreds of years prior, the Franco-Iberian culture has welcomed the recruitment of immigrants to once again stabilize its war-torn self into a period of reconstruction that required manpower on an equally massive scale, as long as those entering were willing to subject themselves, and ultimately assimilate to, the Franco-Iberian culture. However, this is not to say enemies of the state are always welcomed into the country's territories, especially those from the Arab Republic and, up until recently, Jodesia.

Also worth keeping in mind is the fact that as the world's population is once again in a resurgence of sorts, the economic strain and seemingly incessant immigration of nearly hundreds of thousands of refugees from the more climatic areas of the world, even if its something like genetically modified exiles from the NAU or Yao Guai from neighboring Asian communities, the Franco-Iberian government is on the verge of experiencing difficulty ensuring these traumatized and damaged peoples don't have to endure subsidized public housing and high unemployment rates whilst also acting as valuable members to the country's societal and economic systems, especially considering that assimilation or adherence to tradition values and cultural norms of the country has since been renounced by the government in hopes of instead simply integration these crowds without having them sacrifice their distinctive cultures.

This, however, places its own tensions and civil unrest upon the Franco-Iberian societal structure between local population and periodical influxes of radicalized newcomers.

@Willy Vereb We know Jodesia was the opposing side, with Fracno-Iberia and The Hungarian League on the other(Not sure if Malagasy Enterprises participates.)

@Brink_ And depending on how long they've been independent, perhaps the PSP and Arab Republic sided with Jodesia?

@Sigma

Do keep in mind that the PSP is essentially a satellite state of Franco-Iberia, benefitting from modern machinery in exchange for crude resources and border patrol. I've wrote a small blurb about them in my NS if you'd like to check it out.

The Arab Republic, on the other hand, is little more than an amalgam of nationalistic tribes and fortified strongholds vying for little international intrusion into its fair share of own strategic resources and acting as a physical incarnation of a modern decolonization movement.

@Brink_ Ah, ok then. Wouldn't be possible in that case.

@Sigma

I mean, it wouldn't be out of the question for Jodesia to covertly supply the Egyptian guerrilla forces with whatever military presence it's been allowed by the international community so as to establish some sort of a proxy war that itself would serve as a manifestation of resentment and tension amongst the divided communities of Western Europe. But that's up to @Jig.

Looks good to me. Reminder that I have yet to ask around people about nation relations.

Anyways, if you used to have Hungarian hardware then I suppose your HK-27s are also older models, likely upgraded domestically.
As for competition my original idea was that you'd be the host and the results could decide which tank to adopt.

That will work. I can arrange that to be part of my introductory post - preparations for an event of that nature in the future.

And yeah, I see these as mostly older models that have gotten some upgrades in Malagasy to make up for their age, but they're still... well, old tanks.

We know Jodesia was the opposing side, with Fracno-Iberia and The Hungarian League on the other(Not sure if Malagasy Enterprises participates.)

I guess it'd depend on who else participated in that war?

If it was just Jodesia vs. Franco-Iberia and Hungary, then Malagasy Enterprises would probably stay out of that. They'd have it covered, and there are no formal alliances between Malagasy Enterprises and the major world powers. However, they'd totally have kept trading with their business partners.

If there was a truly serious threat to the survival of their partners, Madagascar would send supplies and troops to help out Franco-Iberia and Hungary. So, if the war turned out to be a close victory, then Madagascar would have jumped in and helped.

Besides that, the corporation has probably been busy butting heads with the Great Han.

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That will work. I can arrange that to be part of my introductory post - preparations for an event of that nature in the future.

And yeah, I see these as mostly older models that have gotten some upgrades in Malagasy to make up for their age, but they're still... well, old tanks.

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I guess it'd depend on who else participated in that war?

If it was just Jodesia vs. Franco-Iberia and Hungary, then Malagasy Enterprises would probably stay out of that. They'd have it covered, and there are no formal alliances between Malagasy Enterprises and the major world powers. However, they'd totally have kept trading with their business partners.

If there was a truly serious threat to the survival of their partners, Madagascar would send supplies and troops to help out Franco-Iberia and Hungary. So, if the war turned out to be a close victory, then Madagascar would have jumped in and helped.

Besides that, the corporation has probably been busy butting heads with the Great Han.

I am actually considering the idea of Great War to be about the emerging issue of mutants/abhumans/beastmen and how to treat them.
Or more like a reoccurring issue just subdued for so long.
Jodesia was either anti-abhuman in policies or were near-neutral but other issues like missing out expanding into Africa motivated them to the ones actually starting the war.
Basically they picked the short end of the stick and participated in a war which wasn't even actually about them.
Anyways, due to this reason Jodesia can maintain amicable relations with us even though we used to be enemies.

How does it sound?

I like it, but I'm not one of the chief participants in the war, so my vote's kind'a moot. But I do like that idea a lot.

I'm going to throw into the mix that the UHSR was probably neutral or somesuch for whatever reason, which means it hasn't had any painful reconstruction and probably benefited considerably from that fact.

@Nerevarine Should we work out what sort of bad blood there may be between our nations? Past wars? It seems very likely to me that they've tangled with each other in the past. I reckon that your nation has the superior navy, but my nation's population and probable land superiority have kept them pretty evenly matched with some wars resulting in losses for one side and some for the other.

I could see some wars between them. I could see conflict over control of Singapore being a major issue, as well as other Islands in Austronesia. I can see various Islands trading hands between the Han and Malagasy Enterprises through their history. Singapore may have come into Han possession as a result of their most recent war, which really amps up their animosity.