Ethos: Alignment
Logos: Action depending on alignment
Pathos: Consequence of Action.
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Did you even take an argument class?
Ethos: An argument based on Ethical values. (such as the rules or laws.)
Logos: An argument based on Logical values.
Pathos: An argument based on Emotional values.

Your argument is based off a principal guide line in the game.
(The player's set alignment) That is a rule. That makes the argument Ethical.

My argument was not based on the rules or whether they would let him take said action but on the action it'self. Making my argument Pathos and walking through the terminology as well as considering my Literal word choice make my argument Logos as well..

Ethos: Alignment
Logos: Action depending on alignment
Pathos: Consequence of Action.

Did you even take an argument class?
Ethos: An argument based on Ethical values. (such as the rules or laws.)
Logos: An argument based on Logical values.
Pathos: An argument based on emotional values.
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No.

By this logic; do you need a class in DnD to play DnD?

No.

We can throw as much hypothetical scenarios as you want, but logic dictates that they are invalid. You would have to re-work fundamental laws in society and social norms. If you have a hypothetical scenario that does not change this, then the hypothetical scenario is false and invalid.

EDIT:

In my opinion, creating hypothetical situations for the sake of seeing what happens is folly. Why worry if we are not facing that situation.

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Did you even take an argument class?
Ethos: An argument based on Ethical values. (such as the rules or laws.)
Logos: An argument based on Logical values.
Pathos: An argument based on emotional values.

No.

By this logic; do you need a class in DnD to play DnD?

No.

We can throw as much hypothetical scenarios as you want, but logic dictates that they are invalid. You would have to re-work fundamental laws in society and social norms. If you have a hypothetical scenario that does not change this, then the hypothetical scenario is false and invalid.
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Again it was never in question whether my theory was invaled as we both understand it was.. and on that point i understood and in multiple paragraphs said that you where right he would not cast the spell! The point is that if he did (which He would not!) I would have gotten away with it and he would pay the price... Not based on whether he would but on the unrealistic, unethical possibility that he did! Even though in actual game he would not. There for you argument falters because you continue to misunderstand the point. this is not something that would happen in game but a scenario based on whether it did. Now so far it seems i would get away with theft and he would be held accountible for the tavern, the victim, and assualting an unarmed tiefling. in My scenario. The funny thing about a joke or threat is that sometimes and in a jokes case most the time they are illogical. and since my argument was based of that threatening joke he made... then it must follow the same line of logic the joke had even if it was faulty. The only reason you can not my point is through your own pride and arragence. Just give up.. On every count i have beaten you because you refuse to acknowledge the purpose of the argument in your attempt to be right on every count. I can admit my faults and have done so. Would it kill you to put aside your pride and see the point. I little humility never hurt anyone. The thing is argument can be fun if your not always trying to be right.. but that requires humility. At first it seemed fun but you can never admit fault on your side no matter the situation. You said you where older than most of us here right? I thought you would be more fun than this and not so stuck up. sorry.

So... i'll just sit here and watch this argument unfold.

*eats popcorn*

Edit: I'll just declare my reaction now.
I cast unseen servant with the instruction to hold the exit shut if the tiefling tries to escape. Then I'll walk up to sionnie staff drawn.

I will make an IC post when I get home later today.

@VKAllenArgument can be fun if your not trying to win it! The is the difference between a fight and an argument. An argument is about presenting your point to the other person and getting them to accept that it is valid even if they do not agree with it themselves. In multiple paragraphs i have addmited your sides validity but you have to much pride to admit mine. This is a situation that makes and argument frustrating instead of fun! That is why i asked if you took an argument class. it teaches more than how to argue, it teaches how to make one civil and enjoyable so that by the end Both parties have made a point and had it accepted. To do that, there needs to be humility on both sides. Do you understand now why your making this out to be more than it is? Or how to actually end this on a good note? I suppose i should have defined these terms to begin with but i honestly thought this would have ended by now and we would have come to accept each other's side. This could have been friendly and helped us understand each other in a good way but as it is not i have found i do not like what i see, and have lost a little respect for you sir. Let this be the end.. You will not see the point and one more thing... I am sorry i offended you and i apologize as it was not my attention. I do mean that sincerely.

@VKAllenArgument can be fun if your not trying to win it! The is the difference between a fight and an argument. An argument is about presenting your point to the other person and getting them to accept that it is valid even if they do not agree with it themselves. In multiple paragraphs i have addmited your sides validity but you have to much pride to admit mine. This is a situation that makes and argument frustrating instead of fun! That is why i asked if you took an argument class. it teaches more than how to argue, it teaches how to make one civil and enjoyable so that by the end Both parties have made a point and had it accepted. To do that, there needs to be humility on both sides. Do you understand now why your making this out to be more than it is? Or how to actually end this on a good note? I suppose i should have defined these terms to begin with but i honestly thought this would have ended by now and we would have come to accept each other's side. This could have been friendly and helped us understand each other in a good way but as it is not i have found i do not like what i see, and have lost a little respect for you sir. Let this be the end.. You will not see the point and one more thing... I am sorry i offended you and i apologize as it was not my attention. I do mean that sincerely.

I am thankful that you are apologetic. I am going to dismiss the fact that you were dismissive* in your previous statement-- but that changes nothing on my attitude towards you. I'm here to inform and learn after all.

In regards to this argument, my point was that I can't see the reasoning behind why you would create such a hypothetical scenario given his alignment and until an action was made-- it was not worth discussing as I get into this logical loop in my thinking based on Galawayn's character.

Like you said, if you had defined the conditions and terms this would've been a more 'friendlier' discussion.

I cast unseen servant with the instruction to hold the exit shut if the tiefling tries to escape. Then I'll walk up to sionnie staff drawn.

I will make an IC post when I get home later today.

Ok. I'll note this down somewhere.

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You've failed to prevent the theft of your spellbook, but you did see her run to hide like an imbecile. You could completely see her hiding.

I did not run and hide like an imbecile! >:< Sionnie purposefully made it clear for him to follow her... that was always bart of the plan.. she only wanted him to think she was serious about hiding..

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I did not run and hide like an imbecile! >:< Sionnie purposefully made it clear for him to follow her... that was always bart of the plan.. she only wanted him to think she was serious about hiding..

(Hide Roll 8)

^ reason why you hid like an imbecile.

Lol.

EDIT:

If you intend to do that next time, just don't roll.

@VKAllen

<Snipped quote by Sionnie>

On the short term, I can stil zap you. It's over the long term that a lack of spellbook would give me trouble.

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When did poor Sionnie do anything to deserve that sort of violence. Sniffs* She only stole your spell book from you. T_T She didn't try to stab you or anything. That was just uncalled for.. Sniffs*

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Well, it is well-deserved. A spell-book is almost like a wizard's private parts. Its like being sexually harassed.

<Snipped quote by Sionnie>

The last thing you would want to do is make a bad reputation out of yourself in a town you're not a resident of. Trust me, you do not want to face the Mayor as a Level 1 Rogue.

These where the basis starting with Natsu's joke. =_= any ways i am done with it.. i'll let you figure it out from here if you want.

<Snipped quote by Sionnie>

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^ reason why you hid like an imbecile.

Lol.

EDIT:

If you intend to do that next time, just don't roll.

fair enough.. lol i'm just trying to save some pride here.. leave me be..

@VKAllenThese where the basis starting with Natsu's joke. =_= any ways i am done with it.. i'll let you figure it out from here if you want.

It's beyond me now. There's no need to look back at the past.

So... i'll just sit here and watch this argument unfold.

*eats popcorn*

Edit: I'll just declare my reaction now.
I cast unseen servant with the instruction to hold the exit shut if the tiefling tries to escape. Then I'll walk up to sionnie staff drawn.

I will make an IC post when I get home later today.

since he told me his play can i set the seen for us or should i wait for him to post first?..

Sionnie is sitting at a table near the fire place.. waiting.. ish important!

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since he told me his play can i set the seen for us or should i wait for him to post first?..

Sionnie is sitting at a table near the fire place.. waiting.. ish important!

Yes you may.

@Sionnie

Can you just let Pikaroo know that she's good to enter in? If you know her personally getting her attention through you is probably easier.

@VKAllenonly if you admit that Sionnie is an oddly spectacular Tiefling. Who is mischieviosly funny and cute! :3 And then there's Zayga... Yep that's it. Just Zayga...

@VKAllenonly if you admit that Sionnie is an oddly spectacular Tiefling. Who is mischieviosly funny and cute! :3 And then there's Zayga... Yep that's it. Just Zayga...

If you mean oddly spectacular as trying to get as much attention as possible with whatever means necessary, I guess she is oddly spectacular loose-cannon.

you know what sionnie is actually not causing that much trouble.. Zayga lost Half her pay and Jethro is flirting and dancing. She is just trying to talk to a Gnome that thinks he is to good for her. And i swear if given the chance Jakar is gonna work up a debt he can not pay.. so yeah we all got issues, just keep in mind sionnie only pulls this with Gallawayn and even bought him a drink.. Sionnie is just playing right now.. Ya'll need to lighten up. Remember her character never had much interaction with other people.. she was educated by her captures but she is still experiencing a lot of new things.. Galawayn should be flattered by the attention she is giving him and maybe he would be if he knew.. We all got issues, don't hate.

Galawayn don't know tho, all he sees is an annoying tiefling he has half a mind to call the town guard on.

I just noticed i am the 100th post in IC i should be the lucky winner or something! :p I'll give my prize to zayga she needs the money.. lol.