@SleepingSilence

I'll make this real quick then

1. Fair enough bioshock didn't nessecarily create libertarians but it was a big talking point for a lot of people for and against the movement and for a lot of younger fans of the game it made libertarianism 'culturally relevant' which probably did indirectly create interest in the ideology and make them lean towards (or away) from it.

2. I agree that something can be more wrong than the other, I never disputed that, I was arguing with you bringing up passion as if that had anything to do with anything. Once again, passion doesn't dictate how naive you are and in turn doesn't dicate how wrong you are. You brought up passion, not me sir.

3. Okay, calling you sensetive wasn't helpful, but strawmanning me about gun safety/laws/cases was a little obnoxious after clearly stating I didn't have an opinion either way, putting that behind us............

4. I honestly dont care who you've disagreed with in the past whether they be confederates or communists. I'm not left wing, and just because right and center haven't debated with you like I have that means nothing concerning my position. And stating that I'm caring so much about politics is just a bit weird, apart from calling you sensetive this has been a purely political/ideological discussion. Dont over dramatize my behaviour as some sort of loony troll we are just talking here.

And yes I am aware I dont know what all libertarians think, just as you don't know what all so called 'SJWs' think but I still think that I and anyone else including you can criticize a movement based on some prominent figures within that movement especially if the views we dislike seem unchallenged in that sphere. In my case ive never seen any pro-state, anti-race revisionist, anti-gun, road-promoting, pro 3rd wave feminist libertarains, but if you want to show me some, I'd be willing to rethink my opinions.

Good day to you sir.

@Dynamo Frokane according to Black Hitler the term 'gay' is a European social construct created by cave dwelling neanderthals and is racist against black people. lol you don't hate black people do you?

@Dynamo Frokane according to Black Hitler the term 'gay' is a European social construct created by cave dwelling neanderthals and is racist against black people. lol you don't hate black people do you?

WHat has this got to do with anything?

Futhermore, who's black hitler, and why should I or anyone care about what he says?

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WHat has this got to do with anything?

Futhermore, who's black hitler, and why should I or anyone care about what he says?

dude I was just making joke about your earlier post about using the term 'gay'

@MoiraEl I won't get into debating this...because I'm done enough already...So, I agree to disagree with that general statement.

But I will point out, most people that fall under this category believe this statement is a positive one. I mean I don't really like people using it like the new opposition to "you must be a republican" like an insult equal to calling someone a Nazi...But it's the internet...and both sides use the term. Whether negative or positive. :/

I mean, its not a general statement. I said to specify what groups you're attacking specifically instead of hiding behind a vague term like SJW, which may encompass many conflicting theories and doesn't have.

And ultimately whether people use it positively or negatively has no bearing on the fact that it is an overly vague term with no real value.

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dude I was just making joke about your earlier post about using the term 'gay'

oh did I? I cant even remember now, too much libertarian on the brain atm lol

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oh did I? I cant even remember now, too much libertarian on the brain atm lol

okay I may have made a mistake, we all do it

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I mean, its not a general statement. I said to specify what groups you're attacking specifically instead of hiding behind a vague term like SJW, which may encompass many conflicting theories and doesn't have.

And ultimately whether people use it positively or negatively has no bearing on the fact that it is an overly vague term with no real value.

Anyways, right-libertarianism is a sham. <- Meant this.



Saying that disagrees with this...-.-

And frankly, most people understand exactly what it means...It actually has a pretty on point definition on what they usually stand for. What else would you prefer it being called?

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Anyways, right-libertarianism is a sham. <- Meant this.



Saying that disagrees with this...-.-

And frankly, most people understand exactly what it means...It actually has a pretty on point definition on what they usually stand for. What else would you prefer it being called?

I asked her this earlier and she rightly stated that being more specific to the group you are talking about. For example I think when you say SJW what you really mean is 3rd wave intersectional feminists.

There are actually a lot of traditional right wing SJWs who believe that women should be homemakers and men should chop firewood, but I'm sure you dont mean them when you say social justice warrior..

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Anyways, right-libertarianism is a sham. <- Meant this.



Saying that disagrees with this...-.-

And frankly, most people understand exactly what it means...It actually has a pretty on point definition on what they usually stand for. What else would you prefer it being called?

1) that chart means nothing
2) I never said that we shouldn't call it right-libertarianism.
3) I was arguing that right-libertarianism defeats it's own purposes of economic freedom and personal autonomy.

@Dynamo Frokane
1. Pretty much my main point in first place. So problem solved.

2. I agree and my opinion was just stating politics = important. And passion will more likely get something done, than the opposite.

3. I didn't really try to straw man, I defended the meme. Though I can see where that would come from. Simply asking if you would want to? Isn't outright stating you do. So eh...

4. Once again, I do think someone so opposed to strawman shouldn't make statements that could be taken as such. "Dont over dramatize my behaviour as some sort of loony troll we are just talking here." is putting words in my mouth. I haven't even implied your a troll anywhere. The reason you don't see anti-gun, pro-state libertarians is because they are authoritarian beliefs. Which is the opposite of their cause. Though I'm sure a feminist libertarian and other things you mentioned exist. But I haven't seen a SJW that believes any different from my statement I gave. If they don't believe that their is some kind of structural oppression anywhere is the United States. Then they don't go in that category...

@MoiraEl
Sham implied to me that it didn't exist. And it most certainly does. But that a mistake on my part then. As for it contradicts their desires. I disagree. But I won't get into it really. Because I really should be cleaning my house. Instead of debating on the internet. -.-

holy fuck this shit blew up while i slept.

And why is it always SJW's? Why do armchair internet politicians focus on that so much nowadays? It's a fleeting issue, you won't hear about it in ten years, but by listening to internet arguments you'd think the American, French, and Russian Revolutions focused solely on SJW's. There are real-people adult issues out there, guys! A bunch of shut-ins on tumblr don't particularly affect anything important. Unless we are using SJW as a blanket term for anything even vaguely liberal, which would be disingenuous. It's SJW to think that the demographics of video games is important, or to promote made-up pronouns. It would be socially liberal to think that gays should have the same rights as straights, or that maybe we shouldn't shoot all the black people. Hell, back in my day, Libertarians were marked as those conservatives who were socially liberal just as much as the liberals themselves, so it's weird we are making this argument about that subject. A socially conservative libertarian isn't a libertarian... that's a plain conservative.

A socially conservative libertarian isn't a libertarian... that's a plain conservative.

but villuge, i m specul sno flake. i m not deadly tedly cruz

@Vilageidiotx Actually on this forum specifically, it more often is seemingly brought up by people that defend the term. And even if it was, (used for something 'vaguely liberal') that's not the point of the term...SJW comes from the general idea that their is some kind of structural oppressive system in place in the first world.

A socially conservative libertarian isn't a libertarian... that's a plain conservative.

2 options here...the one I hope your saying, is people that are social conservative and fiscally liberal. Which usually would be used to describe a statist. (or a fascist. >.>) The other option I'll assume you're better than that, and won't say it.

Because saying, if your socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Suddenly *magic* your a conservative instead. Would go without saying...(this wasn't it, I just assume that's a given.)

I wish this particular "we demand less freedom" movement wasn't so poisoning and widespread but even though nobody should be taken a lot of stuff seriously...including people that preach it. But it's talked about a lot for a reason...

@Vilageidiotx Actually on this forum specifically, it more often is seemingly brought up by people that defend the term. And even if it was, (used for something 'vaguely liberal') that's not the point of the term...SJW comes from the general idea that their is some kind of structural oppressive system in place in the first world.

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2 options here...the one I hope your saying, is people that are social conservative and fiscally liberal. Which usually would be used to describe a statist. (or a fascist. >.>) The other option I'll assume you're better than that, and won't say it.

Because saying, if your socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Suddenly *magic* your a conservative instead. Would go without saying...(this wasn't it, I just assume that's a given.)

I wish this particular "we demand less freedom" movement wasn't so poisoning and widespread but even though nobody should be taken a lot of stuff seriously...including people that preach it. But it's talked about a lot for a reason...

what I am saying is libertarianism describes somebody socially left and fiscally right. To be socially and fiscally right is plain conservatism and for such a movement to claim libertarianism would be blatant rebranding. And why I am saying this is because I get the impression opposition to the sjw fringe is evolving into a wholesale rejection of social liberalism. The bathroom bill and trumps wall being case in point, since both invoke an increase of government authority and by proxy a rejection of both social liberalism and libertarianism

@Vilageidiotx Alright. Well I agree with then. ^3^ And well demands are only getting stupider on both sides every day it seems. Because people seem to be getting stupider...

And since Trump name was mentioned, he did something so stupid a little while ago I couldn't help but just let out a deep sigh. He tried to pander to the Mexican Community. On cinco de mayo, was taking a picture of him eating a hard shell taco bowl, he made in his hotel restaurant...to show his love for the mexican peoples. (not Mexican food.) But somehow made it worse by putting it on a magazine with his ex-wife not exactly looking modest visible on the front. So, yeah he's an idiot...I'm also sure the one person that likes him on the internet will somehow find this comment and hate me for it. It's my luck at this point. -.-

Also been sick and sore as shit for like 4 days now...it's starting to annoy me and it's making writing a lot more challenging.

Wouldn't being socially liberal and fiscally conservative be almost border-line anarchy? You are ultimately supporting less state control in both business and social issues. Though, while Libertarians do profess smaller government they tend to draw the line on things that have a direct negative effect on other people, so it's not like assault and battery is going to be made legal to shrink government, or relieve corporations from the guilt of hiring hitmen.

But it could still all the same be a sort of middle-point to outright anarchy if you wanted to fuck around with it, imo.

And since Trump name was mentioned, he did something so stupid a little while ago I couldn't help but just let out a deep sigh. He tried to pander to the Mexican Community. On cinco de mayo, was taking a picture of him eating a hard shell taco bowl, he made in his hotel restaurant...to show his love for the mexican peoples. (not Mexican food.) But somehow made it worse by putting it on a magazine with his ex-wife not exactly looking modest visible on the front.

Which ex-wife are we talking about here? This is important.

You could probably make a blog about that sort of thing, "Politicians fucking up ordering food." List the taco bowls, the people who order chain pizza in NYC or eat pizza with a fork, all those politicians who get the wrong toppings for their cheesesteaks when they visit Philadelphia, etc etc.

Like, I think that's the one thing I could do if I ran for public office. I'm ugly, I can't give a speech, I'm not particularly outgoing, but when I go to a restaurant I don't order off the bland suburbanite part of the menu. Vote for me and I'll eat the right goddamned food.