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I am not sure if to make this guy pick a side, or just leave him as wildcard who just does whatever he fancies.

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@AtomicNut So... I should have put it in the rules, but Dragons are off the table for this due to the fact they tend to be rather OP. HOWEVER, we are allowing humanoids with Draconic characteristics. I.E wings, tail... horns... I have one I am working on that is like that. Something similar to this.
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@AtomicNut So... I should have put it in the rules, but Dragons are off the table for this due to the fact they tend to be rather OP. HOWEVER, we are allowing humanoids with Draconic characteristics. I.E wings, tail... horns... I have one I am working on that is like that. Something similar to this.


...you should've warned in advance then. Back to the drawing table then. -grumbles-
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@AtomicNut Maybe make him something else with a similar past? Like...Iunno, something else that can fly, so...a hippogriff might work, or a gryphon, or...

Oh, or you could make him either a human-looking creature able to sprout dragon wings or whatever, or always in a half-dragon form. Handle the going out on his own when not very strong/not a good fighter by saying they mature physically much faster than humans -- maybe over the course of just a couple years?
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@AtomicNut Maybe make him something else with a similar past? Like...Iunno, something else that can fly, so...a hippogriff might work, or a gryphon, or...

Oh, or you could make him either a human-looking creature able to sprout dragon wings or whatever, or always in a half-dragon form. Handle the going out on his own when not very strong/not a good fighter by saying they mature physically much faster than humans -- maybe over the course of just a couple years?


I wasn't going dragon for the looks nor the flight, i was going for the greedy jerk attitude that comes with them. So, I'll have to design a new personality that can fit a race. From scratch. Half-measures won't do it justice.
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@AtomicNut You don't /have/ to go with tropes, you know. They're tools, and if you've got a good personality, you could craft a race that would fit it, or just pick a race and disregard the norm. Not all individuals in a given race are a certain way. *shrug* That's the way I see it, at least. But I'd think humanoid dragons would have the same sort of basic tendencies, if that's what you're going for. Regardless of what path you take, I look forward to seeing what you come up with. ^.^
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@AtomicNut You don't /have/ to go with tropes, you know. They're tools, and if you've got a good personality, you could craft a race that would fit it, or just pick a race and disregard the norm. Not all individuals in a given race are a certain way. *shrug* That's the way I see it, at least. But I'd think humanoid dragons would have the same sort of basic tendencies, if that's what you're going for. Regardless of what path you take, I look forward to seeing what you come up with. ^.^


I am not going with tropes. I merely took a leaf out of the Ring of the Nibelungs. Why does everyone think of tropes? I fucking hate that. Also I already said no to that idea, so please stop repeating it.
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@AtomicNut I'm not sure what the Ring is about aside from a quick web search, so I'm not sure what you were drawing on. Tropes are common across works, so if you're using something from a work that fits a trope, it's still the trope, even if the trope itself wasn't the source of your inspiration. Greedy dragon is a trope, regardless of what made you want to use it.

I know you're changing plans -- and am eager to see your new ideas.
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@AtomicNut I'm not sure what the Ring is about aside from a quick web search, so I'm not sure what you were drawing on. Tropes are common across works, so if you're using something from a work that fits a trope, it's still the trope, even if the trope itself wasn't the source of your inspiration. Greedy dragon is a trope, regardless of what made you want to use it.

I know you're changing plans -- and am eager to see your new ideas.


See, that is the issue. I do believe tropes oversimplify and belittle older works by being employed out of the site proper, and by argument of precedence tropes are but oversimplified imitation of the original work. What would Richard Wagner think of part of his compilation of Siegfred/Sigurd's myth being called a trope? I for once, feel rudely belittled by having my ideas called a trope outside of the site proper, so I would request politely to not use such.
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@AtomicNut I'm sorry. I use trope to mean trends in stories. They evolve even as stories do, with deconstructions and reconstructions, and even new ideas emerging. In my opinion there's nothing wrong with fitting into an established theme -- nor with defying it. It's more a tool that some people use, and a way of comparing and contrasting commonalities in different works. Yeah, a shortcoming of them is that they simplify things a great deal, in many instances. But the idea is that there are many variations on a basic theme, and as with so much else when it comes to writing and rp, it's all in the execution. Drawing on previous works or charting new territory, it comes down to how well the person handles their ideas, not whether the ideas are new.

I didn't say your idea was a trope, I simply indicated that it falls under the umbrella of one. You yourself said you wanted the "greedy jerk attitude that comes with [dragons]". You could call it a standard characteristic, but the idea there is the same. There's a theme that occurs often enough to be called a trend. I'll try to avoid the word if you dislike the implications, though.

I'm not sure what you mean by the site proper, nor about outside of it. Could you clarify?
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@AtomicNut I'm sorry. I use trope to mean trends in stories. They evolve even as stories do, with deconstructions and reconstructions, and even new ideas emerging. In my opinion there's nothing wrong with fitting into an established theme -- nor with defying it. It's more a tool that some people use, and a way of comparing and contrasting commonalities in different works. Yeah, a shortcoming of them is that they simplify things a great deal, in many instances. But the idea is that there are many variations on a basic theme, and as with so much else when it comes to writing and rp, it's all in the execution. Drawing on previous works or charting new territory, it comes down to how well the person handles their ideas, not whether the ideas are new.

I didn't say your idea was a trope, I simply indicated that it falls under the umbrella of one. You yourself said you wanted the "greedy jerk attitude that comes with [dragons]". You could call it a standard characteristic, but the idea there is the same. There's a theme that occurs often enough to be called a trend. I'll try to avoid the word if you dislike the implications, though.

I'm not sure what you mean by the site proper, nor about outside of it. Could you clarify?


Oh, I see. I should be the one apologizing, my bad. I'm used to the whole word trope as the ones used on the Tvtropes website. Which in fact is a big compilation of such apparent trends. And also something i've witnessed being abused on websites other than the proper website. Which has annoyed me to no end.

As a side comment, the Ring of the Nibelungs, also the Nibelunglied tells the exploits of a certain Siegfred who forged a sword out of a meteorite and went to kill a dragon named Fafnir (which in turn, was a dwarf who had been cursed by his own greed upon killing his kin over a treasure of certain folks called the Nibelungs). Of course Siegfred keeps the eponymous ring and is in turn cursed to misfortune after a series of events.

You might want to read the story, it's kinda entertaining. Also one of the sources for Tolkien's writings.
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@AtomicNut I did indeed mean trope as in those cataloged on tvTropes, but my usage of the word is fairly strict. It's not a trope unless it's a common theme found in various works. I've never seen the word used any other way, though. Don't worry, I'm not upset or anything. I was just a little confused why I upset you. *glomps* Improper usage of the word would doubtless drive me nuts as well.

I've heard of Siegfried, actually, and I think a character based on him turned up in one of Mercedes Lackey's 100 Kingdoms books. And the whole powerful ring thing did make me think Tolkien! Unfortunately, translations tend to lack a certain something, and I don't usually enjoy them as much as other books.
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Okay, third time is the charm. I think. Shadowrun FTW.

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@AtomicNut You're missing appearance, but I suppose you're looking for a pic? I like him~
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@AtomicNut You're missing appearance, but I suppose you're looking for a pic? I like him~


Couldn't find a good pic of an elf in a tuxedo. So you'll have to do with a description.
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@AtomicNut I have a preference for a description, even if there's a pic too. <3
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@AtomicNut I like this one :D I am really really sorry for forgetting to mention such a thing, that is completely on me and I do appreciate you working around that. If you give me until tomorrow, I will let you know if you are clear to post in the Character tab ^.^
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@AtomicNut I like your character, definitely! The only thing I'm wondering is how powerful of a sorcerer you intend him to be. Naturally, he can be powerful with 2000-ish of experience. But I do still want him to be manageable in a conflict.

I'd like it if you could describe what exactly he'd be capable of doing with his magic! It's something I'm still planning to add to Archivald as well, I haven't done it yet because there are a few tidbits I'm deciding on for his magic.

That said, I'm definitely putting my vote in for acceptance :)
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