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I've not seen it. The cs should be m made assuming I know nothing ;)

There isn't a description of the world.

What is "evil" as defined by the power? Weak? How much heals? Drops? What does this mean?

10-30% night vision? 10-30% alpha? Your amendment is not as helpful.

Also, where is kaze? Why are you always explaining and contesting for them? I'm much more in inclined to talk to kaze about the cs and what they think of my suggestions.
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@Eyeris Edited. Bel tries to help because she knows I'm dyslexic. So does Rokku. And they're both on more than me. Still got any questions about him?
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I do.

"Active: Falling Stars - Weakens evil and strengthens allies as he sees them as well as heals all physical injuries of anyone and anything touched by the drops. "

How does this spell appear? Drops, you say. So do they look like water? Do multiple appear when used? If they do have a form, how fast do they travel and where do they originate from when cast?

Evil is also quite a subjective thing; any enemies you encounter likely wouldn't think of themselves as evil. I think "foes" would be a much more suitable term here.

How rapid is the healing? Anything? Could it "heal" damaged items then?

Is there a cooldown to this, or any sort of cost?
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I'm sorry to interrupt the ongoing discussion, but I believe I've found a minor loophole in Vaughtar's CS that probably is worth fixing or at least given an explanation to as it is a matter of interpretation.

The thing's about how the transition from day to night and vice versa works. Basically the whole mechanism of his link being severed is there to provide playability at day and adding a weakness, but I got the feeling that an instantaneous jump from one state to the other would hamper the actual implementation of that weakness because, at least that's what I'm thinking, you would have to select each time if its day and he would be barely combat-worthy at all or if it is night and the weakness would be nonexistant in that particular scene. So I could imagine that some kind of continuous slope that goes down in the few hours around dawn and up again in the few hours around dusk could be better, leaving not only the choice between the two extremes but also something in between (with the additional option of time passing by as the scene goes on). I don't know what you would feel more comfortable with, but I'd add the corresponding clarification to the CS depending on your decision.

Another thing: Would you like the weight limit of the person he can carry with him in the air specified ? Possibly his own weight, too. (though I would have to think about an estimation method for this in his case :D)
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@Fetzen I like your amendment! If compare it to a bird, but, they have hollow bones and no magic. Maybe half or 3/4? He's bigger than everyone in the party so he could say least carry one at a time if you think about it that way. Two of the smaller folk.

I realize your cs is missing a really important piece of information.

WHAT is the wing speed velocity of an unladen gargoyle?

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Sooo... this will get a bit difficult. What I am attempting now is an educated guess of Vaughtar's own weight as this will likely help to derive an adequate predication for the other questions.

I'm gonna use a flat out primitive geometric approach for the first part. As we live in a three-dimensional world, a body of whatever shape whose every lengths are increased by a factor of A can be expected to increase its volume by a factor of A^3. To make this actually useful, I make two additional assumptions:
  • The chiseller that created Vaughtar had a sense for aesthetics, so when he decided to make him very tall, he didn't forget about the other two dimensions and Vaughtar has the same proportions as a human body.
  • The material Vaughtar's body consists of when he's not stone is fully comparable to ordinary bone, flesh and blood. So his average density is the same as that of an ordinary human.

Now I take a human reference, someone that fits his general physique and that I can apply the cubic scaling to. As Vaughtar obviously possesses a general frame and a relative amount of muscle mass that easily matches those of a somewhat professional bodybuilder and for the sake of simplicity and availability of data, I take Conan The Barbarian as the reference. According to google, Arnie at that time weighed up to about 260 LBS at 6'2". So the scaling factor is (82" / 74")^3 = 1.36.

This, however, would only be Vaughtar minus wings, bone extensions, claws, horns, the strange bend between his feet and his knees that makes a part of his legs not contributing fully to his height etc. And there things get way more estimating. The wings can't be just a huge layer of leathery skin put up onto a bony frame because they're an entirely separate pair of limbs on his back and require their own power. This can't be seen on the image, but its the only logical conclusion I can come up with that there is a great bulk of additional muscle that likely spreads accross his entire back where the base of the wings is and partly onto the wings themselves. As a comparison and according to google, a human leg has about 19% of the total body weight, an arm about 6%. I'd take these combined 25% as a minimum for one of his wings - these things are his main means of transportation and have to get him off the ground and with basically no runway at all. That results in a second scaling factor of 1.5 multiplicative with the first one. If I do the calculation and apply rough rounding up for all the things missed I end up with Vaughtar weighing about 600 LBS.

I think that 3/4 of his own weight would be way over the top, but even with less than 1/2 of it he would likely have no problem with carrying even the taller ones of the party, and, as you said, probably two of the smaller folk.

Given Vaughtar being so large I doubt that his flying would be very fast. He also partly lacks a bird's optimization. So I'd summarize it up as very wide turns and a normal speed of perhaps 20mph (what is in the speed range of a condor as ar as I was able to find out). Of course he could climb and reach much higher speeds by nosediving, but that doesn't really count I think.

Holy moly what have I written ? It seems the mathematician in me has taken over when he saw that there were numbers to play with.
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I'll try to get a post up in the next day or two.
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@Eyeris
Sooo... this will get a bit difficult. What I am attempting now is an educated guess of Vaughtar's own weight as this will likely help to derive an adequate predication for the other questions.

I'm gonna use a flat out primitive geometric approach for the first part. As we live in a three-dimensional world, a body of whatever shape whose every lengths are increased by a factor of A can be expected to increase its volume by a factor of A^3. To make this actually useful, I make two additional assumptions:
  • The chiseller that created Vaughtar had a sense for aesthetics, so when he decided to make him very tall, he didn't forget about the other two dimensions and Vaughtar has the same proportions as a human body.
  • The material Vaughtar's body consists of when he's not stone is fully comparable to ordinary bone, flesh and blood. So his average density is the same as that of an ordinary human.

Now I take a human reference, someone that fits his general physique and that I can apply the cubic scaling to. As Vaughtar obviously possesses a general frame and a relative amount of muscle mass that easily matches those of a somewhat professional bodybuilder and for the sake of simplicity and availability of data, I take Conan The Barbarian as the reference. According to google, Arnie at that time weighed up to about 260 LBS at 6'2". So the scaling factor is (82" / 74")^3 = 1.36.

This, however, would only be Vaughtar minus wings, bone extensions, claws, horns, the strange bend between his feet and his knees that makes a part of his legs not contributing fully to his height etc. And there things get way more estimating. The wings can't be just a huge layer of leathery skin put up onto a bony frame because they're an entirely separate pair of limbs on his back and require their own power. This can't be seen on the image, but its the only logical conclusion I can come up with that there is a great bulk of additional muscle that likely spreads accross his entire back where the base of the wings is and partly onto the wings themselves. As a comparison and according to google, a human leg has about 19% of the total body weight, an arm about 6%. I'd take these combined 25% as a minimum for one of his wings - these things are his main means of transportation and have to get him off the ground and with basically no runway at all. That results in a second scaling factor of 1.5 multiplicative with the first one. If I do the calculation and apply rough rounding up for all the things missed I end up with Vaughtar weighing about 600 LBS.

I think that 3/4 of his own weight would be way over the top, but even with less than 1/2 of it he would likely have no problem with carrying even the taller ones of the party, and, as you said, probably two of the smaller folk.

Given Vaughtar being so large I doubt that his flying would be very fast. He also partly lacks a bird's optimization. So I'd summarize it up as very wide turns and a normal speed of perhaps 20mph (what is in the speed range of a condor as ar as I was able to find out). Of course he could climb and reach much higher speeds by nosediving, but that doesn't really count I think.

Holy moly what have I written ? It seems the mathematician in me has taken over when he saw that there were numbers to play with.


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Sarcastic ? What did I do so totally wrong ?

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@jdh97 Edited the power. Does that work better?
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Sarcastic ? What did I do so totally wrong ?


Nothing! I'm impressed!
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@jdh97 Edited the power. Does that work better?


Hey. I'd love for you to play with us. The character sheet is juts confusing me. The idea isn't clear to me.

If so, what is the Item? The spirit can hide in a bag of jerky? So it is outside the item? What does it look like if it is outside the item? What IS the item. How does this transformation thing work?

So he flips between being tommy and 'silver fanng'...?

Falling stars seems overpowered. 100 feet is a wide range. It does like 5 things at once.

I think i would like the character if i understood them better.
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Nothing! I'm impressed!

Okay. Sorry for thinking about the other possible interpretation then :)

Anyhow, when I came home from work today (ugly, ugly equations...), I had a brainwave that made me think about what an idiot I am. There is something out there that likely is a much better reference for the wings and overall: hang gliders. So I changed the calculation a bit and edited the stuff into the CS.
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Ta daaaaaaaaaaa

One post for all of you! <3
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@Eyeris A single episode of Miraculous would explain everything.
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@Eyeris A single episode of Miraculous would explain everything.


Bel, you're not helping.

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Hey. I'd love for you to play with us. The character sheet is juts confusing me. The idea isn't clear to me.

If so, what is the Item? The spirit can hide in a bag of jerky? So it is outside the item? What does it look like if it is outside the item? What IS the item. How does this transformation thing work?

So he flips between being tommy and 'silver fanng'...?

Falling stars seems overpowered. 100 feet is a wide range. It does like 5 things at once.

I think i would like the character if i understood them better.


The Miraculous is his wristband. The Kwami is a physical being that is as small as a mouse. Silver Fang is the name he uses when he's transformed. He can only use Falling Stars once per transformation, after which he has five minutes before he changes back. Before he can transform again, he must feed his Kwami, whose info is at the bottom of the CS, and the little thing likes jerky which is why he's hiding in a leather satchel filled with deer jerky.
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YaY for IC posts to read. That's what I like to see when I come home from work.
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Bel, you're not helping.

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The Miraculous is his wristband. The Kwami is a physical being that is as small as a mouse. Silver Fang is the name he uses when he's transformed. He can only use Falling Stars once per transformation, after which he has five minutes before he changes back. Before he can transform again, he must feed his Kwami, whose info is at the bottom of the CS, and the little thing likes jerky which is why he's hiding in a leather satchel filled with deer jerky.


OK cool. So make sure that's OK in the cs.

And with the rain. Make it less of an effect. As "good" and "evil" on earth is not so clearly defined as it is on your world. So it's a boost up not insta-heal for your friends and not a death note to your enemies.
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So, I just got a promotion at work, so that means a lot of overtime, I will try and get a post in this weekend.
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congrats on your promotion i hope it proves to be more of a blessing than a curse.
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