@LadyRunic Fall would have the name of everyone in his realm? O.o I didn't think Clyde was that close to the court.

@shylarah

Clyde is a stand in leader for the kelpie herd, until Laira marries him and she has to take over ( Kelpie herds are leaded by the strongest, or only female in the herd)

I think Falk would at least know the names of some faction leaders within fall

@Ojo chan 42 Ah, that's a good point. He's rather young, but if it's hereditary, I guess that works. ^.^ Except if females are so rare, then it'd go to whichever the oldest female is, if the leader has no female children but someone else in the herd does? And if there's no females at all, it's whoever the son of the old leader finds.

@shylarah

it only goes from mother to child the moment there are no females left to lead the group. If there are the strongers one of them all will leade the herd. but most herds have one or two females ( in kelpie lore, female kelpies are rare to come by)

but lets not dive to deep into the details. its fiction after all, and we are here to have fun ^^

@Ojo chan 42 Got it, strength first, then hereditary. I guess they figure the old leader would pass on strength and/or wisdom to their male child, more than another, potentially stronger male would have.

I honestly have no idea how to reply to your second statement without sounding like a jerk, but that stung. =/

@shylarah

I am sorry, did not mean for it to come over as mean. I just wanted to amke sure I would not end up in another discusion about to much plot detail and such. I kinda want to stay out of that zone right now.

again sorry did not mean for it to be mean, thats the downside from a written reply, you can't alway read the emotion that was going with it.

@Ojo chan 42 Well, I was expressing interest in something you already had worked out, even if it is not real in the sense of existing in the life we life. Just because something is fiction doesn't mean it can't have details, or truth. Also I wouldn't call it plot, since that's Runic's department for the most part, and how the herd works doesn't seem particularly spoilery. I get that you didn't mean it the way I heard, but it felt like I was trying to engage you in with something you liked (if you don't like him, why would you play Clyde, after all) and you responded with outright rejection. I guess it's because I got people all worked up before, eh? ^.^;; I'm sorry too, I was just interested and wanted to make sure I understood right, and maybe learn more. I love talking with people about their characters and planning and stuff. <.< Like...well, that other kelpie guy, Laira's father, he's from a different herd, right? Got any plans of bringing them into the picture? Maybe as a rival to Clyde's herd? Or maybe the father ended up getting himself killed because he was upset about having to allow Clyde's claim because of his dead sister, but now the herd blames Clyde for the loss of one of their own? Perhaps he was the son of their lead mare? ...And I'm getting excited and just spouting things and I should probably stop now. x.x

but lets not dive to deep into the details. its fiction after all, and we are here to have fun ^^

Hey look the major problem this RP has had since day one.

I guess it's because I got people all worked up before, eh? ^.^;;

I have never found something negative from you, I will admit that. But it was indeed because I have had so much negative comments on my lore before, I guess that for me sharing my lore to much has become more like

''Is it good enough, will my houres of work, brainwrecking wikipage scrolling be appreciated. No it won't don't annoy those awesome writers with your lore'' and such

Again I am so sorry ( I feel legit terrible for making you feel terrible T,T)

@shylarah@Ojo chan 42

Falk has the names of all Fae. It's mandatory that all childern are brought to him upon their birth, via the parent's names.

@Zahrale

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Hey look the major problem this RP has had since day one.

@LadyRunic

So even Laira? She has a parent from Fall, but was born in the human world

does he know her real name ( or he could get it from Clyde, depending on the trade offer he recieves from the fall king for her name XD)

@Ojo chan 42 Laria would not. Her parent was Fae, yes. But died before hand. Cylde would be under no obligation to give her name to Tegvan, though there would be reward if he did give it to Tegvan.

@LadyRunic Like I said, A nice trade offer perhaps XD

nawh, lets see where I can have him flow into the RP. probably after Feoras has found laira and lyra

@Ojo chan 42 D'aww, you're hardly terrible, and I'm not that good. ^.^; I'm glad I didn't annoy you too much before, at least. I worry about doing it but that doesn't seem to help me avoid it much. Besides, everyone improves over time, and then you'll look back and cringe at your old stuff. Trust me, I do it all the time. =P Anyhow, your research is solid for sure -- and usually when it comes to a fantasy setting, I just go with loose ideas, instead of specifics, at least for historical stuff. Sometimes I'll get into what happened when in specific years (Fallen London made me do this, and I decided to do it for Sini's disastrous trip to the Mortal Realm. With Templar, I saw he was doing that already so I just jumped in!), but usually? I don't care if you have cars a few decades early, or if maybe you get some real facts wrong. What I tend to focus on is how things fit together in the new world we use to write in. Does it make sense for it to happen, and do future events get shaped accordingly. Like...I'm not picking, promise, but I'm going to use some examples from your stuff. You have Laira, growing up without a mother. If she's used to being around people that treat her alright even though she doesn't know them well (for example, if she's bounced around between decent foster homes, as an orphan might be -- this does assume decent ones, but *shrug*) then she'd be more trusting, and you have an excellent reason why she would think very little of giving Clyde her full name, even though she doesn't know him. Stuff like that, intentional or otherwise, makes me happy. <3

I should note that unless I /really/ don't like someone (and honestly, I don't find many people like that) I tend to fuss more about things I'm interested in, that give me ideas and that I like. Kinda counter-productive, yeah? ^.^;;

@LAdyRunic@Zahrale Well this just made things messy. <.<;;

Also a sudden and somewhat random question. What happens if Falk orders one of his fey to do something they are unable to do. Like...Iunno, somethign that is literally physically impossible and there's no actual way to even attempt it? Do they explode or something like a computer that doesn't know how to break logic loops?

@shylarah

@Ojo chan 42 Laria would not. Her parent was Fae, yes. But died before hand. Cylde would be under no obligation to give her name to Tegvan, though there would be reward if he did give it to Tegvan.

There's the answer you were looking for- If memory serves, runic correct me if im wrong, but i do believe it was agreed that One Fae cannot Steal the name of Another fae unless it was Willing Or Unknown- In such instance as; A servant Willingly telling you the name of their son/Daughter, Or you figuring out someones name Through means of Books, Pages, Riddles or the Like. This is because the Naming Rule would function more like a Oath of Fealty than say the (very retarded, Glad-it-was-forgotten,) Dragons Naming Rule, where the dragon, no matter how you gain its name would be forced to serve you mind body and soul no matter your demand...

But yes if the Fae knows your full name, and uses it, you are bound to answer to them, hear their 'Request'/'Demand', and fulfill said Request or demand, Or suffer consequences, due to the ancient Fae Magic that Binds said Rule.

This rule is only altered in Two Instances, 1: When a Promise or Deal is Involved, or 2: When a Trade Is Involved.

1; Promises are like law to the fae. You Cannot Break a Promise. It is Impossible. till the promise is fulfilled, or one of the parties of the promise has Perished. Promises can carry even more power if a name is used.

2; Trades are made more Valid and Solid if names are used, this also makes it impossible for you to Trade Back. In the case of a Deal, Such as "Your Name for My Protection" Yes, the ruler would be bound to Protect you, assuming the ruler made such a deal.

You Could threaten someone into giving you their name, I.e, "Give me your name or Die" As this is more of Trade or Deal.

@Prince of Seraphs
Hey now.. Behave.

@Zahrale

ah in case of my char it was very simple. She did not knew she was a fae(still doens't actually) and told her kelpie lover at the time her name cuz she loved him. She does feel like she has to obey his demands that is why she is runnign around the fae realm insearch for him, seeing as that is what he wanted her to do.

@Zahrale I don't think if you're forced to give your name under duress that it counts as willingly, but I'll totally accept that it works as giving your name. =P

So what happens with conflicting orders and/or promises?

I am debating on how to go about my next post
Also I will post as soon as I can since I have my infectious disease class then eating

@shylarah As for conflicting, then you are simply unable. You cannot act on either order, or against them. Often this does not happen as Fae strive to keep this from happening. It's also why spies are so rare. Conflicting orders.

But that's hard to do, as wording a HUGE thing in the Fae world. You can read the name, see it written you also have to say it properly. While when you hear it you can say in properly off of that.