Either way... you are dying. Don't forget there also is an atrophication angle. A human being can only lie in a bed for approximately five weeks before they start to experience organ failure.

In order to avoid this a registered nurse has to feed you intravenously, to massage your muscles regularly and roll you over every few hours.

Once you finally succeed at logging out you have months of rehabilitation ahead of you and that's assuming you even have insurance and can afford such treatments.

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I was not talking about RP players here. More about the general playerbase. Cities become wastelands because nobody lives in them anymore and the more players die the harder the "endgame content" becomes, no?

Also... I have no idea why even somebody would do such a thing as to kill players IRL when they are killed in game. Makes no sense to me. Maybe the standard answer to that question. "Because he is evil". I dunno, I'd find it tricky to find a proper reason, but this is of course a weak argument against this.

And what do you mean, there can't be any depth without consequences? Of course there can! Even with consequences SAO was as deep as a dried up lake in the desert, whereas Log Horizon had that depth. A meaning.
You'd just have to search the meaning for everybody's existence in the world somewhere else than it just being "a fight for survival", which in itself is pretty shallow, too...

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NPCs are a thing you know? We could have them also be lively and as real as the players so they act human.

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I have an idea, two actually:

1) When people die they don't acutally "die" they simply wake up but no one on the inside knows since we've all been told that if we die in game we die irl.
2) We go the Log Horizon/Dark Souls route that means with every death, we begin to loose our mind more, unable to comprehend the fact we're supposed to be death but yet we're alive and slowly realizing that no matter what we do, we're trapped in an eternal cycle.

I hate to spoil childhood dreams, but being trapped in a game is not a good fate, its not paradise, its quite the opposite.

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Your comparison of LH vs SAO is flawed since its not the concept of death each series uses, its how the writers portray and actually write them, pretty sure everyone here can say that SAO has abysmal writing.

I have another idea for "death" that is not actually dying, but might as well be.
When you die, you start all over. Level 1, starter town, starting gear, no money.
The higher you become in the level, the less you want to actually die. That way the huge "half of the players die withing the first week" thing is solved, too xD...

To make that work, we would have to make levelling up a very rewarding process, so that you feel the loss of those rewards even more when you die. And you will die, eventually. We can't all be Kirito :D

Somebody who lost everything they had will also be driven into this despair and the more it is known around the playerbase what a shitty thing it is to start all over, maybe even with some more penalties to slow your initial progress, especially with the huge bulk of players not around the starting area to help you anymore, people will try to avoid dying as best as possible.

I was not talking about RP players here. More about the general playerbase. Cities become wastelands because nobody lives in them anymore and the more players die the harder the "endgame content" becomes, no?

Also... I have no idea why even somebody would do such a thing as to kill players IRL when they are killed in game. Makes no sense to me. Maybe the standard answer to that question. "Because he is evil". I dunno, I'd find it tricky to find a proper reason, but this is of course a weak argument against this.

And what do you mean, there can't be any depth without consequences?

Even with consequences SAO was as deep as a dried up lake in the desert, whereas Log Horizon had that depth. A meaning.

I have another idea for "death" that is not actually dying, but might as well be.
When you die, you start all over. Level 1, starter town, starting gear, no money. The higher you become in the level, the less you want to actually die. That way the huge "half of the players die withing the first week" thing is solved, too xD...

To make that work, we would have to make levelling up a very rewarding process, so that you feel the loss of those rewards even more when you die. And you will die, eventually. We can't all be Kirito :D

Somebody who lost everything they had will also be driven into this despair and the more it is known around the playerbase what a shitty thing it is to start all over, maybe even with some more penalties to slow your initial progress, especially with the huge bulk of players not around the starting area to help you anymore, people will try to avoid dying as best as possible.

How is this for an idea?

I would add to this debate that the reason why current non-permanent death systems are in place simply are too avoid players leaving their games for another.

Simply put players do not have this option when they cannot log out.

Perhaps here one simply becomes paralyzed upon death, staring out their own blank empty eye until they are raised from the dead.

Imagine spending weeks in that state waiting for someone to come help you because your entire party was wiped out. One could go ma waiting for another group to save yours.

@Gowi@ClocktowerEchos

Like I said. Not that I have even a remote chance of success since apparently my opinion is objectively worse.

I just know what I would do in a permadeath universe. First, cower somewhere, then learn crafting and thidly never go out alone out of fear of being murdered by a giggling teenager who thinks killing is fun and then lock my door at night at all times.

I just know what I would do in a permadeath universe. First, cower somewhere, then learn crafting and thidly never go out alone out of fear of being murdered by a giggling teenager who thinks killing is fun and then lock my door at night at all times.

Go to sleep for a while and I see this...geez what happened lol

Debate is good guys but aggro isn't. If you are talking through points, just keep it civil please!

Debate is good guys but aggro isn't. If you are talking through points, just keep it civil please!

I would add to this debate that the reason why current non-permanent death systems are in place simply are too avoid players leaving their games for another.

Simply put players do not have this option when they cannot log out.

Perhaps here one simply becomes paralyzed upon death, staring out their own blank empty eye until they are raised from the dead.

Imagine spending weeks in that state waiting for someone to come help you because your entire party was wiped out. One could go ma waiting for another group to save yours.

@Apokalipse Everything checks out, so let’s go to Mouette’s Skills.
For [Flaking Strikes], do you want bonus damage be based on percentage or a fixed amount? Just depends on when you want the in-game spike to occur. With [Poisining], sorry but this woul require a reagent to perform. Poisoning is OP in my book. If you don’t to require a reagent, you can make this into an active spell that grants Mouette a self-buff that allows him to poison targets with his attacks for a certain duration or set number of attacks. I suppose [Pickpocketing] is fine.

In other news, this is going really fucking fast for me, like Free-level fast; I hope that it doesn't speed along like this once there's an OOC (15 pages of OOC in 3 days like holy fuck that's insane)