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Data did literally nothing but question her. And what's Tempo's relation to Time Line? Why would he be an obvious avenue to get to him through?


He knows others and would probably be more willing to help. He's Data's nephew after all.
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Oh these are apologists talking about it. I thought they were specific passages or something.

1. "Wicked, lazy servant" doesn't really mean that they're in the same category. "You heartless, pale man" doesn't put pale in the same category as heartless, for example. Also I like how it claims non-christians are all horribly lazy.
2. We also have a sense to be lazy, so a sense of purpose doesn't mean much. "Lazy people only care about themselves" is a baseless claim. This guy's personal experience that he learned from his mom has nothing to do with his religion. That should've been ommitted, and that it wasn't is a hit to his credibility as someone who can give biblical advice. Uhm... Telling people to be like ants is terrible advice and very much a control mechanism. I mean, it wasn't at the time since people didn't know much about them, but modern time we know that they will literally work themselves to death, continue working while infected with a mind-controlling fungus, and don't have autonomy. That's antithetical to "personal responsibility."
3. Strong personal disagreements aside, this has nothing to do with inherent tendencies. That only applies to "willing laziness" ie "I don't want to do that therefor I won't," which isn't the same as chronic laziness.


Refusing to argue with the first and second, since I'd really rather not: a sin you "can't help" is still a sin, and there's no excuse other than ignorance. Chronic laziness is still wrong, because God warns against laziness. But God helps us to fight against inherent tendencies in the very same way he helps us to fight against willing sin, because sin itself is an inherent tendency. Sin itself is chronic. That's why I sent those devotions: because they provided biblical advice about fighting the sin of laziness that was worth praying about and taking to heart.
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Refusing to argue with the first and second, since I'd really rather not: a sin you "can't help" is still a sin, and there's no excuse other than ignorance. Chronic laziness is still wrong, because God warns against laziness. But God helps us to fight against inherent tendencies in the very same way he helps us to fight against willing sin, because sin itself is an inherent tendency. Sin itself is chronic. That's why I sent those devotions: because they provided biblical advice about fighting the sin of laziness that was worth praying about and taking to heart.


Hey, the writers were dumb. Doesn't say anything about potentially passages.
Sloth is a deadly sin. I'm not gonna argue that. But they didn't give biblical advice, they gave speculatory and personal experience advice. If yhvh warns against laziness, then providing those passages would've been biblical advice. They didn't really do that. They also ignored context of the quotes, hence my first point.
"a sin you "can't help" is still a sin, and there's no excuse other than ignorance." Noooooo. Wrong. There is a huge difference in how they have to be handled. Example: You can't help getting aroused at the sight of what you're attracted to. You can help whether or not you seek that out. You can't say "oh just don't seek it out" when the problem is that the sight is constantly there and claim that it's still applicable and that there's no difference.
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Just pointing out that deadly sins aren't a thing. Somebody else made that up.
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Hey, the writers were dumb. Doesn't say anything about potentially passages.
Sloth is a deadly sin. I'm not gonna argue that. But they didn't give biblical advice, they gave speculatory and personal experience advice. If yhvh warns against laziness, then providing those passages would've been biblical advice. They didn't really do that. They also ignored context of the quotes, hence my first point.
"a sin you "can't help" is still a sin, and there's no excuse other than ignorance." Noooooo. Wrong. There is a huge difference in how they have to be handled. Example: You can't help getting aroused at the sight of what you're attracted to. You can help whether or not you seek that out. You can't say "oh just don't seek it out" when the problem is that the sight is constantly there and claim that it's still applicable and that there's no difference.


Reading the article, he seems to have provided sound Biblical evidence for each main point. The second paragraph is slightly obscured, because the logic for the main idea is provided near the end of the paragraph.
See, the thing is, God commands us to "take captive our thoughts" and provides us with the help of the Holy Spirit. So, though the sight and the tendency for any chronic sin are constantly there, God wants us to resist those temptations. So, if one has chronic laziness--that is, the tendency to be lazy--God wants us to resist that, and provides us with the strength to do so. The first article I sent says why it's a problem; the second article I sent says what God thinks about it (and at the end, what God wants us to do instead); the third article provides a proper attitude on work.
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Just pointing out that deadly sins aren't a thing. Somebody else made that up.


Yeah, Catholics. The original christians. And just because your sect doesn't consider them special doesn't mean it doesn't consider them all sins.
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Yeah, Catholics. The original christians. And just because your sect doesn't consider them special doesn't mean it doesn't consider them all sins.


Catholics aren't the originals; they mostly formed when the Church became politicized. It's also not in the Bible anywhere; they're all considered sins, but none of them are particularly peculiar.
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Reading the article, he seems to have provided sound Biblical evidence for each main point. The second paragraph is slightly obscured, because the logic for the main idea is provided near the end of the paragraph.
See, the thing is, God commands us to "take captive our thoughts" and provides us with the help of the Holy Spirit. So, though the sight and the tendency for any chronic sin are constantly there, God wants us to resist those temptations. So, if one has chronic laziness--that is, the tendency to be lazy--God wants us to resist that, and provides us with the strength to do so. The first article I sent says why it's a problem; the second article I sent says what God thinks about it (and at the end, what God wants us to do instead); the third article provides a proper attitude on work.


Which article? The first?
- "Wicked, lazy servant." I already pointed out how this isn't evidence. It's out of context and therefor doesn't have the weight that the writer assumes it has. Take my earlier example.
- Second paragraph is actually the only somewhat sound one because he's defining laziness.
- Third paragraph, that people who are lazy are also untrustworthy is a baseless claim. The quote isn't given context and at face value states that all non-christians are untrustworthy, and in context of the paragraph, are all lazy. He then states that the motivation is to impress non-believers, not to do it because it's something you should do in and of itself. That's not very christian of him.
- He ends it by saying "oh by the way this only applies to work you do for money/someone else." That's points off.
The second?
- A) That's wrong, the only sense of purpose the bible says humans were made with is to reproduce. B) If we take that to mean "us" as in "everyone after the garden" then that's even worse, because in that case he also made us with the sense of laziness and apathy. It's MORE inherent in a human than "a sense of purpose" is. It also claims that all laziness is a choice, which again, isn't the case.
- He states that all lazy people only care about themselves. He says this flat out. It also doesn't address the problem at hand, like I gave that example for. There is no other person involved in the problem, so claiming that it's bad because of how another person is affected isn't a feasible response.
- This is not even talking about laziness. A negligent attitude is not the same thing as being lazy at all. Then he goes on to give personal experience and what his mom told him. This has nothing to do with the problem, it has nothing to do with scripture, and worst of all, it's TERRIBLE advice. "I learned it from my mother who worked in a textile mill for 40 years and never complained." First off, bullshit. That's nearly impossible. I know it's not literal but now that I've re-read it I'm pissed at how bad this is. Secondly, that example is a horrible thing. Textile mills a generation ago for 40 years means horrid working conditions, and not standing up for yourself at all? Thinking that statement through makes it terrible advice on how to live. "And never complained" is a saying synonymous with "and accepted it even though it was bad." For fuck's sake.
- Again, if that was said by god, then that's a horrible thing to add to the list, because the only way that would fly is if it was said by someone at the time. Knowing what we know about ants makes that a terrible thing to say to say. It's not even necessarily the quote that's bad, it's what he says about it, because he should KNOW BETTER now that we know about how ants are. It's saying to be, literally because we're talking about ants here, a drone. That's horrid. And then the message he gives from it is totally unrelated to. "The ant works, prepares, and provides. In other words, we are to work with diligence in all that we do." No? That's not a logical connection, it's missing some connecting thread. "The ant... It gives its whole self to its work. In other words..." Something that would make that an actual related statement.
The third?
- This is straight up saying "be a slave." I really shouldn't have to explain why that's bad. It's also contradicted by the quote. "Obey your "master" on earth no matter what but god is the ultimate authority and he wants to see you be obedient." Okay so your "master" says to stop X christian thing. Well, god's the higher authority but he also says directly "obey in ALL things." You could take it to mean "whoever your "master" is in each aspect, obey them," but again, there's no fucking context to it.

Like, bro. I'm sorry. Really, because I'm sure you think this is fine, but find a new source of daily devotions, because this one sucks.
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Catholics aren't the originals; they mostly formed when the Church became politicized. It's also not in the Bible anywhere; they're all considered sins, but none of them are particularly peculiar.


The church that was founded in the bible upon the rock of a disciple was the catholic church. This is not in debate among people who study theology or the abrahamics specifically. The catholics were the first. You could say "oh well the catholics of the time the bible was written changed and catholics shown in non-religious records aren't the same," but catholicism was the first.
I pointed out it's a deadly sin not for the sake of it's being one of them but because the deadly sins are all considered sins by nearly every sect and branch of christianity there is.
Also keep in mind that unless you're using the king james bible, which books were considered canon and which weren't was determined by the catholics, then slightly reconsidered by the protestants, then jacked over by james' appeasers, then tried to put back to how they were before his shit. So what is and isn't the bible is in large part due to the catholics. If you want to try to invoke the dead sea scrolls or some other such "second source" then it's ENTIRELY due to the catholics because they were the first christians.
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The church that was founded in the bible upon the rock of a disciple was the catholic church. This is not in debate among people who study theology or the abrahamics specifically. The catholics were the first. You could say "oh well the catholics of the time the bible was written changed and catholics shown in non-religious records aren't the same," but catholicism was the first.
I pointed out it's a deadly sin not for the sake of it's being one of them but because the deadly sins are all considered sins by nearly every sect and branch of christianity there is.
Also keep in mind that unless you're using the king james bible, which books were considered canon and which weren't was determined by the catholics, then slightly reconsidered by the protestants, then jacked over by james' appeasers, then tried to put back to how they were before his shit. So what is and isn't the bible is in large part due to the catholics. If you want to try to invoke the dead sea scrolls or some other such "second source" then it's ENTIRELY due to the catholics because they were the first christians.


That wasn't a Catholic church; it was literally just The Church. Peter was a leader in it but Catholics consider him the father of the Catholic Church based on their own interpretation, not direct scripture. In fact, the original texts reads that it wasn't upon "Peter the rock" that the Church would be built, but upon the teaching Jesus just gave. The canon was decided mostly because of Constantine's actions.
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That wasn't a Catholic church; it was literally just The Church. Peter was a leader in it but Catholics consider him the father of the Catholic Church based on their own interpretation, not direct scripture. In fact, the original texts reads that it wasn't upon "Peter the rock" that the Church would be built, but upon the teaching Jesus just gave. The canon was decided mostly because of Constantine's actions.


Now I'm confused not because you're necessarily contradicting what I'm saying but because I'm not sure if it is or not. I don't remember hearing it was because of Peter. I thought I remembered it as being a different apostle. Also it's 5 fucking pm and I've not slept in nearly 24 hours so I'mma get back to you on this.
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I've been charging a new pair of wireless headphones and they have been on my phone charger for over 24 hours now and my phone really needs to be charged.
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I've been charging a new pair of wireless headphones and they have been on my phone charger for over 24 hours now and my phone really needs to be charged.


AirPods?

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Now I'm confused not because you're necessarily contradicting what I'm saying but because I'm not sure if it is or not. I don't remember hearing it was because of Peter. I thought I remembered it as being a different apostle. Also it's 5 fucking pm and I've not slept in nearly 24 hours so I'mma get back to you on this.


Let's get ice cream instead.
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AirPods?

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Let's get ice cream instead.


Noh, different.
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Noh, different.


AirPods.
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Sooo theres a new mobile SAO game. SAO: Memory Defrag.
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Sooo theres a new mobile SAO game. SAO: Memory Defrag.


Got it this morning; it has good ratings. Interested in the new movie.
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Got it this morning; it has good ratings. Interested in the new movie.


I actually just started it half an hour ago. Consider me impressed.
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I actually just started it half an hour ago. Consider me impressed.


Really? I look forward to it.
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