@Vilageidiotx
I'm more bothered by how you have that one guy who basically appointed a cabinet designed to destroy state departments.

I mean Reagan still fascinates me with how much shit he got away with (at least Nixon eventually got caught) but I do wonder, when you say worse do you mean like presidents who had competence to carry out their agenda effectively?

And why, @Garattee, would you want to defend racist, isolationist, neo-authoritarian, disciples of Sam Huntington and his Clash of Civilizations theory that want to completely unmake the post-Bretton Woods, post-UN Charter world order to fit their worldview via conspiracy-peddling? Now I'm not saying that Bretton Woods is perfect, but it is quite necessary in the modern globalized order which can't be retreated without total collapse of the worldwide economy, essentially.

I hate the fact that the alt right has no real definitions, its impossible to sum up what the actually believe which makes them impossible to criticize or defend.

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On the contrary, alt right people don't need a set definition for everything. They appeal to logic instead, and LOGIC and common sense dictate what they know to be true at any given time. When the facts change, so do their opinions that they formulated based on that information. Make sense?

Also, the "alt right" is just that: alternative conservatism. It just means they don't agree with EVERY facet of conservatism. They might have some liberal ideas. They might take a page out of the libertarian playbook (woot!). When a loose group of people is considered by society to be "alternative", it just means that they don't really fit the mold for any other group. There are alt liberals, alt libertarians, alt Greens, et cetera.

And why, @Garattee, would you want to defend racist, isolationist, neo-authoritarian, disciples of Sam Huntington and his Clash of Civilizations theory that want to completely unmake the post-Bretton Woods, post-UN Charter world order to fit their worldview via conspiracy-peddling? Now I'm not saying that Bretton Woods is perfect, but it is quite necessary in the modern globalized order which can't be retreated without total collapse of the worldwide economy, essentially.

I hate the fact that the alt right has no real definitions, its impossible to sum up what the actually believe which makes them impossible to criticize or defend.

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I mean, really, you're talking about the same people that made the world believe that 'trash dove' was a sign of white supremacy and who managed to make Pepe frog a recognized hate symbol. They're professional shitposters. The fact that you're trying to take them seriously is already strange to me.

Also, the "alt right" is just that: alternative conservatism. It just means they don't agree with EVERY facet of conservatism. They might have some liberal ideas. They might take a page out of the libertarian playbook (woot!). When a loose group of people is considered by society to be "alternative", it just means that they don't really fit the mold for any other group. There are alt liberals, alt libertarians, alt Greens, et cetera.

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For instance, I'm pretty solidly left wing. But I agree with the Republican stance on guns. That doesn't make me "Alt-Left". If that's the way it worked, everyone would be alt-X, because only tools agree completely with one side of the political line.

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The only people I've seen turn the alt-right into an workable term for their movement, rather than just something for them to masturbate to how different and special they are compared to their grandparent's conservatism, is the Richard Spencer types. Soft-Nazi's and shit. The people trying to reclaim Neo-Nazism from prison gangs and conspiracy-addled mountain compounds, and introduce it into respectable society. Because in their case, they can legitimately claim to be part of something "alternative" to the traditional political movements. At least in the United States.

So at this moment, I suppose that's my personal working definition for the term. Alt Right means either a young conservative trying to announce a sort of special snowflake status because they listen to, like, Sargon of Akkad instead of Rush Limbaugh, or they are cleaned up neo-nazis caught up in the entire death of white culture meme.

@Mistiel and like I was saying, the people that are at the forefront of the alt right (i.e. Sargon of Akkad, and supposedly Rags?

@Dinh AaronMk Gonna go ahead and bookmark that last one. If you have more of these, send them my way.

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I'm a libertarian.

@Vilageidiotx

You know, I really don't see many 'alt-right" sort of people DECLARING themselves as alt-right. It's been a label that the so-called "tools" from both (or just one) parties that don't particularly like them. I also don't truly understand why you brought up the creation of new political parties and why you'd equivocate that with the supposed creation of new genders. The resemblance in analogies is startling, yes, but it's quite off-topic.

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Alt-right is not a dang movement! In the U.S.A, you either vote Republican or Democrat (or libertarian, etc. but the chances of MY preferred party ever winning a presidential election are unfortunately slim right now). Can we just agree that people who don't particularly ascribe to either of the parties in the U.S. two party system don't particularly care what percentages of each party they represent? Just let them do their own thing.