@ClocktowerEchos Yeah, when the events were that recent, there is no reason the Schäferkin would have any good opinions about them.

Then comes the question if the Schäferkin helped defeat them, or if they just said to all the others who were fighting them.
"Have fun with the lizardmen, we're gonna keep to ourselves."

I'd guess my species would just be happy to not have to bother with reptiles any longer.
Seeing how the Quixikotl and the Tak'a'dis were both reptilian in their genetic ancestry, would probably put Schäferkin in the seat that reptile descendant lifeforms are all bad, and have a racial tendency of bad luck and probably harbour racist feelings towards them.

So my Schäferkin would probably dislike the Quixikotl, obviously the Tak'a'dis, also Vesians of all sorts are a sceptical concept.
The Covenant would be a whole pile of WTF for Schäferkin but otherwise not harbouring ill feelings towards them.

I'd need to know of the other species before forming any strong feelings for them.
Schäferkin meeting human domestic dogs would also be.... interesting.

@Klomster Just treat the bombardment/Desolation of Tenohexotl as the Hiroshima and Nagasaki of this RP; everyone dropped the most devastating and explode-y WMDs on the planet to both destroy it but also to show off to everyone else "this is what our WMDs can do, don't fuck with us" sort of thing.

Basically, any weapon that didn't destroy the crust or stripped away the entire atmosphere was probably dropped on Tenohexotl as a sort of military show and tell amongst everyone else and was a decent place of testing stuff out. Hell, you could probably still get away with detonating shit on it provided you have a base on remains of Tenohexolt and don't destroy the planet entirely.

@ClocktowerEchos Yeah, when i think about how my species will handle shit.

Have fun having a Schäferkin fortress testing out how long one can run all the laser arrays constantly on bombardment mode before you have to stop.
The answer is a long time, a long long time.

@Klomster Well, there is a reason why every child is conscripted into the military at age 12, even more so now.

@ClocktowerEchos Just remembered something, did the Quixikotl ever kill Schäferkin civilians?

I can see the Concordat being a source of irritation for the Combine leadership, given the lure it probably exerts on the low-class workforce, who are supposed to be slaving away in factories and not running off to join what they presumably see as some sort of cybernetic utopia (it has a representative government and free implants for everyone!). Meanwhile, the Covenant would probably be quite interested in trading for its technologies, which might be a source of internal friction between the two (and the Union, provided either side manages to convince them that cybernetics are actually relevant in one way or another).

@Klomster Just treat the bombardment/Desolation of Tenohexotl as the Hiroshima and Nagasaki of this RP; everyone dropped the most devastating and explode-y WMDs on the planet to both destroy it but also to show off to everyone else "this is what our WMDs can do, don't fuck with us" sort of thing.

Basically, any weapon that didn't destroy the crust or stripped away the entire atmosphere was probably dropped on Tenohexotl as a sort of military show and tell amongst everyone else and was a decent place of testing stuff out. Hell, you could probably still get away with detonating shit on it provided you have a base on remains of Tenohexolt and don't destroy the planet entirely.

Now that could prove interesting. The war, and the Desolation in particular, could have been a major point in the Covenant's acquisition of ascendance over the two governments, being an excellent ground for proving that their experimental technologies and hybrid tactics are superior to either's specialised approach to warfare. They would also be quite likely to keep a base there - which would be very bad news for the Quixikotl, since the Covenant's arsenal contains anything between particle weaponry, evolving war drone interfaces, mutated beasts, artificial plagues, poison gasses and more, all of which they are impatient to test on anything that will not offer more than negligible resistance. Not to mention the frequent raids to capture living test subjects for less than ethical purposes - after all, how often does one have the opportunity to experiment on sentient beings without rousing the entire system's wrath?

As for the Schäferkin... I suppose the Covenant would be quite interested in acquiring some Tak'a'dis scientific findings. The species itself would be a stark reminder for the Vraslil not to make their creations too self-aware, lest the same happen to them. Though one would be certain to find some gene-weaver who would only be all the more motivated by seeing what biological engineering can achieve...

@Ozerath Question: But would the Quxikotl have a place in this Concordat? Since as of right now they're set up as the one race everyone literally hates to death.

@Klomster
Unless anybody ojbects, yeah there will be individuals from pretty much every nation in the Concordat. Aurolian races will probably still make up the majority, but the Concordat's been recruiting/converting/augmenting the dregs of other people's societies for a long while now. "Give us your tired, your poor...and we'll make them into cyborgs." Of course, some societies don't necessarily have the kind of rejects who would end up with the Concordat. Let me know if you think that applies to you.

Most people who receive implants end up staying with the Concordat and adapting to its ways. You don't HAVE to stay, but most people do. Definitely no loyalty programming in those implants. That would be unethical.

On that note if someone wants to have characters with Concordat implants but who aren't actually part of the Concordat, go ahead. Shoot me a PM if you want more info on the implants.

As for the Schäferkin... I suppose the Covenant would be quite interested in acquiring some Tak'a'dis scientific findings. The species itself would be a stark reminder for the Vraslil not to make their creations too self-aware, lest the same happen to them. Though one would be certain to find some gene-weaver who would only be all the more motivated by seeing what biological engineering can achieve...

Just remember, we took it fair and square by overwhelming force and rightful genocide. Don't expect it to come cheap.
Also, i don't really trust a talking fungus or a bug. You look strange.

On a more serious note though, i don't think the Schäferkin like the technology to create subservient species. It doesn't suit well with them on a species wide level.
If such data exists, which it probably does. But not in official libraries. The data is under heavy superstition and cultural despise, they wouldn't want to force their own experience on some other poor sods now would they?

I'd say this could be some interesting cultural roleplay, a dangerous path since it's a VERY sensitive topic for my species.

@Ozerath i don't think Schäferkin have low-lives in the classical sense. Therefore unless the Concordat kidnapped them, the dogmen would probably find little interest in going bionic.
After all, a bionic implant can be seen as a lack of strength, depending on how you got it.

I can see the Concordat being a source of irritation for the Combine leadership, given the lure it probably exerts on the low-class workforce, who are supposed to be slaving away in factories and not running off to join what they presumably see as some sort of cybernetic utopia (it has a representative government and free implants for everyone!). Meanwhile, the Covenant would probably be quite interested in trading for its technologies, which might be a source of internal friction between the two (and the Union, provided either side manages to convince them that cybernetics are actually relevant in one way or another).

You posted after I'd started my last post or I would've covered things there.

That's exactly the kind of appeal I'm envisioning for the Concordat. Downtrodden masses sucked in by fancy implants and the promise of utopia. Nice source of tension with a state that relies on downtrodden masses.

@Klomster Alright, duly noted. Schaferkin will make up any significant chunk of the Concordat's population.

Alright, duly noted. Schaferkin will make up any significant chunk of the Concordat's population.

Wait, that sentence doesn't add up. Did you miss a word?

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Wait, that sentence doesn't add up. Did you miss a word?

Lel whoops. Will NOT make up any significant chunk of the population.

@ClocktowerEchos Just remembered something, did the Quixikotl ever kill Schäferkin civilians?

There's a reason why I mentioned Nanking earlier, I'll let you figure the connection out.

Now that could prove interesting. The war, and the Desolation in particular, could have been a major point in the Covenant's acquisition of ascendance over the two governments, being an excellent ground for proving that their experimental technologies and hybrid tactics are superior to either's specialised approach to warfare. They would also be quite likely to keep a base there - which would be very bad news for the Quixikotl, since the Covenant's arsenal contains anything between particle weaponry, evolving war drone interfaces, mutated beasts, artificial plagues, poison gasses and more, all of which they are impatient to test on anything that will not offer more than negligible resistance. Not to mention the frequent raids to capture living test subjects for less than ethical purposes - after all, how often does one have the opportunity to experiment on sentient beings without rousing the entire system's wrath?

Just because the Quxikotl have been crippled doesn't mean they'll bend their knee to you; the cost of keeping the guys in line as a vassal or puppet would far out weight any actual plus you'd get from them. Plus, if you plan on testing weapon on Tenohexotl, you are going to have a hell of a time trying to get the race who you are using as live test dummies to comply with you.

That's exactly the kind of appeal I'm envisioning for the Concordat. Downtrodden masses sucked in by fancy implants and the promise of utopia. Nice source of tension with a state that relies on downtrodden masses.

The Lizard might find some of your shitck interesting but the fact that they are hated by everyone means that they will likely never leave to go anywhere. "Rejects" within Quxikotl society tend to either be summarily executed or "volunteered their lives for the good of the race". The base and weaponry again don't bother me all that much provided you don't actually blow up the planet or wipe out all of the Quxikotl on it.

Something else everyone might find interesting, for all intents and purposes, Quxikotl are effectively blank slates culturally, having lost faith in their old pantheon of war gods. If any of you have a religion you want to spread because of Space-Jesus Deus Vult, please do tell. It would make for a very interesting dynamic all things considered.

@ClocktowerEchos Ah.
Then enjoy genocidal extermination runs with a few Schäferkin packs now and then.

They will probably try to destroy your species, however, numbers and ways to get to the planet in question plus poor planetary conditions make it impossible for these scattered events to have any real shot of actually exterminating your species.
Also, it being a long time ago, and the Quixikotl population having lost their warring edge, the whole idea has probably gone out of style with the Schäferkin.

So be happy, over the last decade or so, extermination packs have gotten more rare! :D
What a time to be alive for Quixikotl citizens!

@Klomster The Quxikotl have somewhat managed to turn their aggressive nature into being stubborn defenders as their new life demands of them, but they are rather lost in a sense that they don't know exactly what to do and have the aforementioned "species existential crisis". There's also the Lizardfolk in space ships that have become space-born settlements on the inside and former outposts on moons and astroids although both of the categories are having their numbers culled as time goes on.

I'd imagine that the primary driving force of Schaferkin warpacks attacking the Quxikotl would be someone trying to gain some political power or martial prestige from attacking the "hated raiders of old".

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Just because the Quxikotl have been crippled doesn't mean they'll bend their knee to you; the cost of keeping the guys in line as a vassal or puppet would far out weight any actual plus you'd get from them. Plus, if you plan on testing weapon on Tenohexotl, you are going to have a hell of a time trying to get the race who you are using as live test dummies to comply with you.

Oh, I never mentioned annexing them. That would, as you mentioned, not be worth the effort. What the Covenant would instead probably do is set up a fortress-testing facility on the planet and let loose their newly developed weapons on any Quxikotl unfortunate enough to wander within sensor range. Given the state they are reduced to, I doubt the Quxicotl would be able to do much about it, as attacking the base would prompt the Covenant to send reinforcements, and, considering the historical antecedents, the other nations will either pretend not to notice or simply not care about these doings.

I mean, the Federation may take notice and all..perhaps :P

Despite the rather sore history between the States of Aurolia and the Quxikotl, I'd imagine the Aurolians both, extending a helping hand to Quxikotl that truly want it, even have done the same for the Tak'a'dis(unfortunately though, the Quxikotl wouldn't exactly feel welcomed by a segment of the civilian population) and keeping a close watch over Covenant activities on their former homeworld, nothing too overt of course.

Would any nations be interested in having trading and an uneasy friendship with Vesia?

Oh, I think I'll put this in under Other on my NS but everyone should definitely refer to Concordats as Conks. Everybody needs a nickname.

@JuliusCaesarThee Concordat is pretty keen on trade if you like. Also not sure if you've been following the conversation, but would Vesia have a lot/any downtrodden masses who would end up with the Concordat?

@JuliusCaesar I'd imagine Aurolia and Vesia being trade partners, yes.

@ClocktowerEchos Well, the primary driving force is something i'd like for players to find out in game. :P
I'm gonna try and have the Schäferkin kinda alien compared to humans.

For example, no innate need for religion.
Seeing that the questions "Where do we come from, and why?" are already answered, and there isn't much complex philosophy behind it.

@Sigma It's natural for the others to feel sorry for the Tak'a'dis. They were actually kinda chill, apart from making their slave race. Making trade and beginning to work on interplanetary relations. (If they had good relations, their friends would just help curbstomp the Schäferkin uprising, and that story is already a bit implausible :P)
I guess they probably was a bit vain, since they didn't take help from the other nations when the uprising turned sour.
So a bit vain, a bit superior in their attitude. Definitively someone other species could work with.

@JuliusCaesar I'd like to have a small amount of trade and a VERY uneasy trade agreement with Vesia.
After all, you are scaly folk, and you can't really trust them. Something the Vesians probably have realized looking at the Schäferkins history. :)