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Supporting free speech=nazis?

I suppose we should crack down on the communists then, or else we're all totalitarian socialist scum.

I let global warming deniers say as they please, doesn't mean I believe them or collaborate with them.

Allowing people to say as they please doesn't mean I support their views at all. That's a broken premise. Do I support your views of denying nazis/far-right people the right to speak? No, but I'm not trying to actively block your free speech. Does that make me your supporter then? A collaborator?
And it would be pretty ironic if I was a nazi, since I'm viet and the nazis helped the Japanese, who utterly destroyed my country during WW2 and basically starved us to death.

I'll take "being an enabler" for 600, Alex.

also, allowing people to spread ignorance is pretty bad; global warming deniers do exactly that.

@POOHEAD189 PROOOOOF!!!

SKREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Well, causing sin and darkspawn to infect the world because of his hubris is pretty lucifer-like.

@POOHEAD189 Bah, you're just Darkspawnist

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I'll take "being an enabler" for 600, Alex.

also, allowing people to spread ignorance is pretty bad; global warming deniers do exactly that.

I mean, it wasn't too long ago that supporting gay rights and non-white rights were seen as ignorance. There was a time where African Americans were actively being denied their rights to free speech by those who assumed they were just trash.

The entire point of the 1st amendment is to try and prevent things like this from happening (it still happens regardless, showing that it only really matters when people enforce the constitution) because people are not objective.

I'd argue you'd be enabling more civil rights to be taken away, out of a misguided belief that you could actually destroy an ideology by preventing people legally from talking about it.

It's not like people don't follow the law, the war on drugs went well, why not the war on the 1st amendment?

I'd also argue that more comprehensive education would lessen the number of nazis rather than outright pretending free speech doesn't exist.

Yeh, we shouldn't deny "global warming", I'll concede to that. But I hope you don't spread ignorance of the fact that we need to curb population growth by drastically limiting means of human procreation, though. That would be p bad.

Friendly reminder that free speech isn't something that is naturally and eternally good, it's just something part of the world decided was a good idea and now people act like the universe itself demands that it be upheld. Nobody has to tolerate anybody else's viewpoint because "free speech", because free speech isn't some kind of moral be all end all. People are obsessed with the idea that western liberal values are somehow universal truths, when they're just as universally true as the social values of the Roman Empire. Morality is entirely relative, and the only reason so much of us have settled on the moral ideas proposed by modern western liberalism is because modern western liberalism happens to have the most power in the world. If it had been China and other Asian nations that rose to power rather than European ones, the values considered "true" by most of us would be significantly different.

Would you worship the god you do or do not had you been born in India? Would you believe that violence is inherently bad and that all views must be respected if you were a slave in the American South? No, you probably wouldn't. You hold the values you do because of what culture you were born into, what ideology is in power where that culture exists, and the other socioeconomic conditions you were born into. If I was born to some well-off family in the suburbs of California I'd probably be making the exact opposite argument that I am now.

The American constitution is not the tablets brought down by Moses.

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I mean, it wasn't too long ago that supporting gay rights and non-white rights were seen as ignorance. There was a time where African Americans were actively being denied their rights to free speech by those who assumed they were just trash.

The entire point of the 1st amendment is to try and prevent things like this from happening (it still happens regardless, showing that it only really matters when people enforce the constitution) because people are not objective.

I'd argue you'd be enabling more civil rights to be taken away, out of a misguided belief that you could actually destroy an ideology by preventing people legally from talking about it.

I know, because supporting the rights for non rich straight white men to exist/have agency is the exact same thing as supporting the rights for people to believe that other groups are sub-human and shouldn't be allowed to interbreed with their precious genes? Are you fucking serious right now?

It's this kind of willful blindness to the intentions and consequences of these beliefs that create these fucking clusterfucks. Nazi ideology is one hate, and that will lead to violence when allowed to, as shown yesterday, when a woman died in a white supremacist terrorist attack. It has no validity.

These sort of extremist ideologies lead to the holocaust, jim crow, imperialist japanese expansion, and your own country's destruction via.

Do you find this to be an acceptable risk? For extremist thought to go from the shadows and straight into unchallenged general acceptance? Because it's "wrong" to make extremist ideologies illegal?

I will not tolerate the people and ideas that would place a pink triangle on me and send me to a fucking camp, if they could. It doesn't matter if they can't, either. it's extremely disrespectful for anyone to insinuate that I, or anyone else who would be the victims of these hateful philosophies, should have to 'logical debate' with these maniacs.

fuck you.

Everything you're claiming is objective. Yeah, we know that our upbringing has shaped us for who we are, but unless you want to argue that freedom, (something that 180+ countries out of 217 in the world considers good, because logically it is fair) is a mistake, then I do not know what you're meaning here. The American Constitution isn't exactly freedom, though it's been celebrated by many as being very profound for its time.

Also the Western World is not the Eastern World. China very much has risen to power. So has Russia, if you'd argue it's an eastern power. So has Japan.

The fact (or belief) that morality is relative doesn't change the fact that we all have opinions, and indeed mass agreements on morality and what is 'good.'
@Keyguyperson

Friendly reminder that free speech isn't something that is naturally and eternally good, it's just something part of the world decided was a good idea and now people act like the universe itself demands that it be upheld. Nobody has to tolerate anybody else's viewpoint because "free speech", because free speech isn't some kind of moral be all end all. People are obsessed with the idea that western liberal values are somehow universal truths, when they're just as universally true as the social values of the Roman Empire. Morality is entirely relative, and the only reason so much of us have settled on the moral ideas proposed by modern western liberalism is because modern western liberalism happens to have the most power in the world. If it had been China and other Asian nations that rose to power rather than European ones, the values considered "true" by most of us would be significantly different.

Would you worship the god you do or do not had you been born in India? Would you believe that violence is inherently bad and that all views must be respected if you were a slave in the American South? No, you probably wouldn't. You hold the values you do because of what culture you were born into, what ideology is in power where that culture exists, and the other socioeconomic conditions you were born into. If I was born to some well-off family in the suburbs of California I'd probably be making the exact opposite argument that I am now.

The American constitution is not the tablets brought down by Moses.

Yeh but values of classical liberalism have been the most successful foundation for governments. They allow for a steady growth in knowledge, technological abilities, philosophy, religion. America was able to become so powerful partially due to their system of government and the freedoms it allowed.

Who cares how relative an argument or worldview is? That detracts from the point a person tries to make. Don't focus on the person, focus on what they're speaking of. This is why ad homonym attacks and insults are generally frowned upon in conversation, because they take focus away from what a person tries to say and places it on who the person is or might be. It doesn't matter that I might have thought differently if this happened in my lifetime or if I was born here, because that point of view on the subject doesn't prove or give insight into anything I'm talking about other than the history behind my thoughts.

>tfw the only other super leftist in here says morality is relative

i truly am alone

@Ace of Hearts

Yeah, and so are the far-left, but I only see you trashing the far-right. There are plenty of people who have shitty ideologies, (namely the far left on the other side of the spectrum who believe they need to kill off everyone who don't agree with them)

I mean, let's pretend you somehow did allow nazis to be arrested on the basis that "they're gonna do bad"

Okay sure. So are you going to recruit facebook to spy on each and every one of their users? Are you going to force google to single out users who search keywords like fascism and nazis? I mean, it's possible, the NSA did it, but we all saw how much of a shitstorm that was.

Are we going to go after every single ideology we don't like?

I mean, not to mention scouring the internet is a very tedious job and you're only really going to catch the very outspoken ones and then drive the rest underground, to which the ideology will still exist.

Also, the american government once discriminated against basically every non-white, but I don't see you calling for all of their heads.

@Keyguyperson

Moral Relativism is a very flawed theory.

It implies that you cannot judge others, and using that point, one could argue you can't be mad at the nazis for growing up in a country that hated the jews, blacks, slavs, and so many others?

Just... no. It's just a cop out.

You can make judgements and compare moralities.

Cultures have shared values as well, so relativism only works up to a point.

@Ace of Hearts

Yeah, and so are the far-left, but I only see you trashing the far-right. There are plenty of people who have shitty ideologies, (namely the far left on the other side of the spectrum who believe they need to kill off everyone who don't agree with them)

I mean, let's pretend you somehow did allow nazis to be arrested on the basis that "they're gonna do bad"

Okay sure. So are you going to recruit facebook to spy on each and every one of their users? Are you going to force google to single out users who search keywords like fascism and nazis? I mean, it's possible, the NSA did it, but we all saw how much of a shitstorm that was.

Are we going to go after every single ideology we don't like?

I mean, not to mention scouring the internet is a very tedious job and you're only really going to catch the very outspoken ones and then drive the rest underground, to which the ideology will still exist.

Also, the american government once discriminated against basically every non-white, but I don't see you calling for all of their heads.

Can we stop equating DELIBERATELY DESTRUCTIVE ideologies with just a simple "you don't like it"

also,

once?

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Can we stop equating DELIBERATELY DESTRUCTIVE ideologies with just a simple "you don't like it"

also,

once?

Could you actually attack the argument other than my word choice, for once maybe?

@POOHEAD189 Don't make me type something that long to you to obvious friend bias person #I'velosttrack

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@Nytem4re what is your argument then

Is that what it feels like to break a person? I always thought that was just a sex thing. @SleepingSilence

@Fabricant451 See, you didn't all that bullshit I typed. Now you know I feel reading your replies to me.

Yo can we silence/maim/kill commies, anarchists, and others on the far-left because of their history with wanting me/my people/my family dead, as well as their history in restricting my freedoms and condemning millions to unhappiness and suffering? They're inherently dangerous, so me coming across one would be like a self-defense situation, but they've already have made the first move by professing themselves as communists, so I would have to run at the with a melee weapon or pick them off from afar with some sort of firearm. Is that cool?

@Fabricant451 See, you didn't all that bullshit I typed. Now you know I feel reading your replies to me.

The difference being the 'bullshit' I type to you relates to the things you post. As in rebuttals. Not a wall of text that is spam and All Star memes.

You're acting like a child.