@Penny McCain realizes that he can get medical treatment funded by taxpayers, because he's a Senator. It'd be hypocritical if he accepted that service, but denied healthcare to millions of people that pay for his.

Also, I think he's just enjoying ramming his middle finger up Trump's ass while he still can.

I've worked in two different countries with universal healthcare systems. Neither of them were perfect but both of them had significant advantages over the American system. This is particularly true in the provision of pre-critical preventative care. Again, not perfect, but better.

>says he's not back
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I'm willing to bet they were also smaller.

The US is very large and very diverse (meaning geopolitically -- population distribution, regional income, infrastructure, etc). The policies that work in New York are different than the policies that work in New Mexico. I don't think universal healthcare will work at the federal level in the US, and I base that on my experiences with TriCare and the VA system. I think that most, if not all, of the patients operating in either or both of those federal healthcare systems will back me up on that.

Put simply -- this is not a conversation worth having in the US until the federal government can demonstrate competency with the VA. Until that happens, universal healthcare is delusional.

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Yes. Also all other countries are completely homogeneous with zero regional diversity. It is known.

@Kratesis

My point being that all countries with universal healthcare systems face these challenges to a greater or lesser extent. I know the current administration doesn't exactly inspire confidence but you can do it! I believe in you USA! The idea that the greatest superpower in the history of the world cant confront the horrors of regional diversity in order to provide healthcare to its citizens is ludicrous.

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By that logic there is no difference between Somalia and Sweden because both countries face the challenges of murders and homelessness to a lesser or greater degrees.

The quality of care in America is second to none assuming you can get it without being literally bankrupted.

The problems are with the insurance system, the lack of a government backstop and the impact it has on pre-critical care. If you show up at my ER we will treat you regardless of insurance, but half the time the time you wouldn't be there if you had regular access to a GP. Similarly you aren't likely to engage in necessary follow up therapy if doing so will literally bankrupt you and so your condition worsens until you end up back in the ER. At that point we treat your critical issues and send you back out to repeat the cycle again. In the mean time all that care is basically done for free, which means to make ends meet we have to essentially overcharge people with private insurance, which leads to raised premiums which leads to less companies offering quality (or any) insurance, which leads to more uninsured people showing up at the ER, which starts the whole cycle again.

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Is America Somalia in this analogy? Every country faces those challenges, as you say, to greater and lesser degrees. is America really so much less able to deal with them then Australia, or Canada, or France, or Sweden, or Denmark, or Germany, or ......

I'm not suggesting that America dosen't face challenges in implementing some version of universal healthcare, just that I don't think that they are as insuperable as people claim.