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Aaaalright... here's the villain. Intermediate Low I suppose? He doesn't have a lot of destructive power at the moment.

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Powerhouse High

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@clanjosOkay, your profile looks good. Although, I should mention that the Actor Activists did not appear until 1933, so he would only be compared to them after that point in time!
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Low Street Tier
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@BluetommySure, looks good to me!
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I thought I could get in on hero shenanigans as well.


Powerhouse Street

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@AlfhedilLooks good to me, approved.
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Hey, hope you've room for one more villain. One of a more supernatural sort, if not exactly a wizard himself.
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Hey, hope you've room for one more villain. One of a more supernatural sort, if not exactly a wizard himself.


What kind of supernatural are you thinking of? Thing to note is that Ramman of Akkad is a pseudo-lich and sorcerer :v
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@Zero HexWe're always open, and sure, we have plenty of room for more villains!
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What kind of supernatural are you thinking of? Thing to note is that Ramman of Akkad is a pseudo-lich and sorcerer :v


More of a self-serving, mystically inclined swordsman sorts.
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@Zero HexSounds decently distinct from anything we have.
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So I've been looking at this and I can dig it. However there is a certain element that I feel is missing from this; and I shall rectify this.

Pretty sure the power level thing would be at 'High Low Tier'
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@PleekHmm, could work with a few adjustments! One thing, I'm confused by how strong Bane here is supposed to be. You say he can easily lift cars (a superhuman feat) and throw passenger planes...well, that's muuuch stronger than the Bane I'm familiar with, depending on what you mean by "passenger plane", since that can mean anything from this to this.

Also, I can't imagine a widely available drug just making anyone that strong in this setting. I'd like it much better if there was something special/unique about Bane that made the venom more effective on him than anyone else. Maybe he has a dormant metagene that only activates when there's venom in his blood?
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In real life men have pulled airplanes weighing well past 50 tons, not even an isolated thing. Current deadlift records sit at over 1000 pounds, literally humans lifting half a ton. Not exactly the same as throwing a plane but still, ramp up the powerlevel for a maniac comic book supervillain constantly hooked up to hyperdrugs and depending on the dosage and situation it seems relatively feasible to me, if he can manage to work out a situation where he actually has the footing and grips and the plane upholstered and whatnot. Also still here, still writing, just slow.
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@Blackstripe Allow me to help you then with any concerns you might have.

First I see that you aren't familiar with a particular Bane I enjoy, from the DC Animated Universe. Here is Bane doing some cool stuff. In the DC Animated Alternate Universe Bane has literally ripped through bank vaults, which are of course notoriously thick and are made of very strong and weighty metals.

Another thing to note is that people in our society have been able to move aircraft with their own strength Now discounting that feat of strength, is there any reason you think that this Venom has to be easily acceptable? What we are talking about here is a specialized mixture of that is balanced with a number of growth hormones, a cocktail of non-steroid performance enhancement drugs (which can include amphetamines, painkillers and any number of physical and mental stimulants) and "super steroids" all cooked up into one formula.

This would make the drug a rare thing which would explain why not everyone has it; not to mention you have a maniac infused with the drugs seeking out every available avenue to obtain more as to keep the lucha filled rampage going.

Quick edit: Meant Alternate Universe not Animated.

Quick edit No. 2: I present you with this regarding the feats of Bane. This is Bane from Secret Six, without the use of any drugs. He ripped off a man's arm, who was in a specialized metal battlesuit's, clean off. Without having any drugs in his system. Oh. He also did this to him. With a single punch he broke in the face of a very specialized battle-suit.
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@PleekI should better explain. If you WANT Bane to be that powerful, it's fine, but not just through drugs. Nor could I justify letting him - ICly - go after street levelers who would have no chance. He would get attacked by more powerful heroes when he drew their attention. If that's a consequence you're fine with, then okay.

Also, pulling a plane with wheels is far, far different than tossing it. But leaving real world feats aside, that first video you showed me (The Batman) showed the Dark Knight throwing Bane so hard he dented the iron of a safe. Like, not even a little, it caved in a huge bulge on the inside. >.>

That's pretty clearly superhuman, even though Batman's not supposed to be. I treat Street level much more like, say, the Arkham games do. Sure, Batman can take potentially a dozen or more armed thugs at once, but he can't leave big dents in metal. Similar, Bane should be able to lift and even toss cars while on his venom, but planes? Yikes, that's not street level at all. That's barely even intermediate level.

I personally peg Bane at low intermediate tier, meaning he can demolish a car almost instantly. If you want Bane to be stronger, that means he'll probably wind up fighting stronger heroes, and he'll need more of a justification for his immensely superhuman strength than even a special drug cocktail.
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Well we do see Arkham Bane toss Bats through a wall, rip off building chunks and then burst right through another wall, all of this effortlessly, in Arkham Asylum. Bane does this with his first boost in lord knows how long, after being drained of all Venom and left to hang in a pretty nasty-looking contraption. He also survives being blindsided by the Batmobile, which is practically a goddamn rocket tank, after having most of his drugtubes severed.

Powerlevels aside, by your own account just a matter of whether he wants his character to be stronger and fight stronger things, I legitimately don't understand why Bane can't just have his gimmick as-is. From day one, when he became one of Batman's most memorable opponents, the impossible aspects of his strength and endurance has been linked to drugs. Venom and Bane are intrinsically linked, even if he's had doings off the juice. I don't get why you'd want to force Bane to add something else to that.

And like, it's really easy to justify the drug boost to be any given level. A secretive, precise mixture of experimental drugs, further fine-tuned to Bane's already outstandingly powerful physiology, bam, done. It's crazy comic book drugs. They have the effect the writers want them to have. Snowflame could trade fisticuffs with a cyborg and cover himself in flames by snorting coke. An extreme example, but still. Hell the Arkham games had Titan which could make any random goof into a monster arguably stronger than Bane.
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@Zero HexOkay, firstly, why are you arguing with me about somebody else's character? I was trying to have a polite conversation with Pleek asking if he would consider making some changes to his character to help him better fit within my setting. My setting is NOT a carbon copy of the typical DCU, it has some unique rules and a theme I'm trying to maintain for Year One. Your interjecting doesn't help things, and only causes a discussion to devolve into an argument.

Secondly, he IS certainly superhuman in the Arkham games - and huge, too. But not "throwing jumbo jets around" superhuman. I should also note that the Arkham Games DO take place years into Batman's career, too. Arkham Asylum, the first game, was like seven or eight years in. We're still in year ONE right now, so I'm just trying to keep things a little low key at this point. A wrestler throwing planes around while also being an active wrestler holding events is pretty far out there. And are you really saying that because comic book writers don't care about long term thematic consistency or world building, I shouldn't either?
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@Blackstripe Well I wouldn't know the motivations behind that, perhaps Zero Hex likes the character concept.

As for thematic consistency, you actually don't seem to have one. Like you say you want it to have a theme, which if I were to wager a guess, would be something lowered powered? But like one of the things, is you are playing a waaaay stronger Captain Marvel, plus also the fact we have some Marvel such as the Captain Antman look alike, magic based characters and speed force characters in something like that which you said something around video game Arkham-ish level? But I'll digress from that point and move to another.

I'd view a theme as say, "DC Universe but everyone's roles are swapped.", like with Earth 3. If you wanted a theme, based on the intro blurb, you'd want something like "DC Universe but everyone's powers are based on magic." That's a viable theme and would be something that would net you a coherent and consistent thing.

Personally, I also don't see any problem with Zero Hex sharing his thoughts. It brings out new perspective and getting a feel from multiple perspectives is a good thing.

But now then, comic books are way out there; that's what makes comic books fun. Hell even in really down to earth things like in a Dick Tracy comic book you get really weird gadgets like the watch phone, weird looking crooks and tons of firefights.

Now on the subject of being an active wrestler who can do such feats and still participate in events; Bane could find those activities more fun than just say smashing up a city block, and of course being bound to the ideals of lucha libre. If it's a, well good, shoot he'd be fighting against other powered freaks. Bret Hart or Kurt Angle could've legitimately beat any wrestler they've wanted since both are technical wrestling gods but they went along with promoters because it was an activity they loved and they were professional. It very well could be that simple of a motivation.

As for the example of a plane; that is what an ordinary man could do; this isn't taking super comic drugs into account. It's easy to imagine comic drugs doing such a thing. Again I present comics That was Bane from the New 52 series, who just got on some Venom, casually lifting a boulder singlehandedly. It seems to be a pretty big boulder and they, especially ones that look around the size of this one, are very heavy. And as I noted above in other depictions even without drugs Bane can rip off a man's, who is in a metal battle armor, clean off.

I don't have any qualms with going against stronger heroes, though narratively it makes more sense for a villain to be stronger against the hero for stakes and what not but that's really here nor there at this point. But yeah really no problem against going against a higher class of heroes.

I also feel that this is not really about the feats alongside it happening from the drugs. As I've mentioned these drugs would be a rather hard to get thing since getting that perfect blend would be notoriously difficult to create and assemble and because of that would also serve as a really reliable narrative hook, (hint, hint) for Bane to follow whenever he is low on the stuff. Personally what I'm thinking is this is more or less an issue with the name, because it doesn't fit your mold of what you've assumed Bane to do. Course that's just my guess at the situation.
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