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@Keyguyperson, Aaron also gave you the Spratlys.


I'm aware, I just left them off of the map because I wanted it to be less wide. Can't wait to have a big ol' dispute over those.
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I'm aware, I just left them off of the map because I wanted it to be less wide. Can't wait to have a big ol' dispute over those.


Thanks; anticipating that too.
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Writing papers for uni has been sapping my time, but just to confirm, I'm still interested and maintaining a claim to the British Empire.
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That's a much better draft than the one you showed me in the PM. My only concern is the size and stability of your claim, but that is mostly a nitpick. In the last version of PoW, the Caucasus as a whole were a near-lawless stretch of land controlled and fought over by warlords, with only small areas here and there that were relatively in order. I personally really liked that, because it added to the chaos in Russia and made for some really cool posts when Vilage and Evan had characters pass through there. I even made a post there once when I played as Germany, and portrayed the area as a warlord-controlled territory as well.

Another thing worth mentioning, is that the Caucasus have historically been pretty unstable, with a lot of ethnic and religious strife. In a world without a powerful Russian counterweight to all that, I can only imagine it'd be worse, which makes it hard for me to picture a state as stable as you describe (even with the organized crime bit).

Otherwise, I think the app is fine and I like that you referenced a lot of the stuff that I mentioned in my app. But like I said in the PM the first time, I'm going to leave it up to Aaron and Vilage 'cause I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to that part of Russia. If they think the size and stability of the state is fine then I have no objections.

EDIT: Although I think Georgia should definitely be independent.
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EDIT: Although I think Georgia should definitely be independent.


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That's a much better draft than the one you showed me in the PM. My only concern is the size and stability of your claim, but that is mostly a nitpick. In the last version of PoW, the Caucasus as a whole were a near-lawless stretch of land controlled and fought over by warlords, with only small areas here and there that were relatively in order. I personally really liked that, because it added to the chaos in Russia and made for some really cool posts when Vilage and Evan had characters pass through there. I even made a post there once when I played as Germany, and portrayed the area as a warlord-controlled territory as well.

Another thing worth mentioning, is that the Caucasus have historically been pretty unstable, with a lot of ethnic and religious strife. In a world without a powerful Russian counterweight to all that, I can only imagine it'd be worse, which makes it hard for me to picture a state as stable as you describe (even with the organized crime bit).

Otherwise, I think the app is fine and I like that you referenced a lot of the stuff that I mentioned in my app. But like I said in the PM the first time, I'm going to leave it up to Aaron and Vilage 'cause I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to that part of Russia. If they think the size and stability of the state is fine then I have no objections.

EDIT: Although I think Georgia should definitely be independent.


Not to be a party pooper, but...

When we went through designing the map, Aaron mentioned wanting everything South of Volgograd to be that chaotic, micro-state mess. It's why I had to revamp the map so many times, actually.

Edit: Yeah. This is what the area was like in my original fracture-design.


And this is what it became after Aaron asked me to break it up more.


Edit edit: Of course, I'm not the final say. Just letting you know it's something our mighty overlord mentioned wanting.

I also feel your pain, as somebody who originally was going to play a Moscow-based government.
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Not to be a party pooper, but...

When we went through designing the map, Aaron mentioned wanting everything South of Volgograd to be that chaotic, micro-state mess. It's why I had to revamp the map so many times, actually.

Edit: Yeah. This is what the area was like in my original fracture-design.


And this is what it became after Aaron asked me to break it up more.


Edit edit: Of course, I'm not the final say. Just letting you know it's something our mighty overlord mentioned wanting.

I also feel your pain, as somebody who originally was going to play a Moscow-based government.


Requiring such a specific makeup for that area is arbitrary af
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Requiring such a specific makeup for that area is arbitrary af


I'm not saying "This is it!" I'm just showing what my original idea for it was (4 separate nations), and then how much more I had to break it up based on Aaron's feedback.

Edit: Those maps were actually versions #4 and #5 of Russia. Lot's o' cutting was done. lol
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I like it.

I feel bad 'cause Inkwell has made like three apps so far, though. If I were you, Inkwell, I'd settle for one of those states and focus my posts around the many factions vying for control of the area. And I'd probably delve deep into the criminal aspect too. You'd have no shortage of things to write about.

I know it's not appealing to everyone, but it's always good to start at a low point so you have something to climb up towards throughout the RP. If you start with everything, you have nothing to work towards. It's like with The_Specter, who originally wanted all of Central America and parts of South America, but ended up settling for just Central America. So now, if he wants a slice of South America, he has to actually post and work towards it.
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I think people should be allowed to recarve the Russia map so long as they can sell it as a sensible idea. Requiring people to follow the Russian NPC map exactly seems ridiculous.
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@Inkwell I may have to side with Hugs on this in that perhaps some clipping might be done, as well as actually taking the map into MSPaint and using the fill bucket tool. I *think* the map up in the OP is the full size one. But if not:



But one thing I'd like to stress on the region is that that part of Russia is fairly mixed, and Russians are either in a minority or are no less a majority than any of the other groups. The region of Russia has had a history of being the center for many different people and even religions: Christians, Muslims, and even Buddhists. And without the sort of interference in the area as the Soviets had ran and the deportations to Siberia/Kazakhstan or entire populations fleeing the southern Caucus and southern Russian steppe as refugees escaping the Red Army much of that diversity would be preserved.

To a point they might operate well, if to depose the weakening Czar and Czarist state. But in settling they'd likely end up forming their own independent states.

That's the reasoning behind having the area broken down so much.

The region - especially in the north - is considerably flat, so even if trench works were dug the geography would have permitted a swift advance by the northern parties and I doubt as you said they would have held them off as well.
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I'll stay on the record saying that forcing this particular level of division is arbitrary and will only serve to hamper people's ability to organically develop a Russian storyline.
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I'll stay on the record saying that forcing this particular level of division is arbitrary and will only serve to hamper people's ability to organically develop a Russian storyline.


And also turn off people from wanting to join us or play with us.

Aaron has a point about the flat terrain in the north, though.
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I'd simply argue that such a state as Inkwell is proposing should have the internal strife expected of such an ethnically diverse and conflict-ridden area, if it's going to be so big. There's a reason why I picked the fairly homogeneous Ukraine.
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I'm cool with letting Inkwell define his territory to an extent. Like, if you look at my map, I took all of St. Pete, but I also took parts of Karelia, Tver, and Novgorod (and that chunk of the Baltic, but I'm talking about proper Russia here). My reasoning was that if the Imperial Army has been fighting since the fall of the Tsar, it is reasonable to say they have made some progress, or have managed to hold on to some of those old territories.

I think the same can be allowed to happen in the Caucus, but I agree with Aaron that it would be best if we kept the Caucus mostly divided and if we all collectively agree that it should be an area that is especially bad as far as lawlessness and faction warfare. So if Inkwell wants to take, I don't know, fuckin' Rostov, but also wants a small piece of Volgodonsk or whatever, he should be allowed to as long as there is a good explanation for why it's in his control and how it has remained that way. That's just an example, though, I'm not saying he should settle for a really shitty claim.

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