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Which part if I may ask? The part where I don't believe in a separate immortal soul or something else?

Wait, so are you trying to say here that God, has forgiven everybody and will therefore save everybody despite whatever choices or decisions they make? Even if they outright reject God and want nothing to do with him?

So all of humanity has no choice in the matter but to be forced to follow God and live forever no matter what they do in the here and now?

Way to make freedom of choice completely irrelevant and pointless, if that were the case then everyone is free to do whatever they want at whatever price with no consequences except for what happens to them on this Earth.

In your opinion. Though I will say my opinions are very different from the mainstream Christian to be sure, but I still consider myself a Christian because I follow Christ.

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But enough about Sweden's migrant policy.

You're awfully stupid with nothing of worth to contribute, but God will forgive you.

Muslims, the Bah'ai, and some Hindu off-shoot groups follow Christ. Doesn't make them Christian.

Soooo...you basically believe in Purgatory then?

I don't really think you can use those as examples since, as far as I know, none of them believe Christ is the Son of God who sacrificed himself to save us all from our sins. Pretty sure they just consider him to be a very wise teacher. Though I could be wrong.

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Claiming all suicide is bad is just willfully ignorant.

Now I'm saying this because yes, suicide does hurt many other people. Friends and family.

Now does that mean I'm glad he died? Not at all.

But sometimes a suicide doesn't necessarily bring a negative impact to a group of people or a community.

My issue with god could be perfectly summed up in this picture. I mean, it's like she took the words right out of my mouth.

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While she raises a good point, there's always another option. Maybe God doesn't give a shit. Maybe God looks at us the same way we look at microbes or domesticated animals. Maybe the Big Bang lagged God's computer so hard, they have no idea that any of this shit is happening, and they're floating around shouting profanities at the infinite void while they wait for the customer support hotline to take them off hold.

Not that I'd worship God, no matter what their reasoning is. After all, why the hell would a being capable of creating the universe want or need a mere primate on a hypersonic lavaball to shower it with praises?

I believe, correct me if I am wrong, is that part of the issue being taken with assisted suicide is that it might all be well and good for the person in question, a mantra I do not ascribe to myself but I am not about to impose on others, is it has ongoing ramifications for those who are still alive thereafter. A person could reasonably do it themselves without the assistance, this we are all aware of, but the aid makes the process easier; having somewhere there with you even if not friend or relative makes dying less painful to some extent. It makes the choice less difficult and the looming threat of failure, as well as presumed punishment, ostracization, belittlement, reprimand, whatever, a factor that is non-existent. It lowers the inherent thresholds of opposition that the mind should regularly be using to push back with - it makes death a more simple alternative than it already is. Yet suicide is not just about the individual in question taking their own life under their own volition, though it is entirely a valid argument that it is not always voluntary due to psychological compromise and duress, but the other people who are alive after.

Some of us have experienced the violent deaths and or suicides in person, which is to say that is obviously more traumatic than finding someone dead beside their bed with a bottle of pills or in the hypothetical case, a doctor's office where they were effectively euthanized. People by and large do not deal with death well, meaning that the person surrendering their life and voiding it could well do it against the consent of others who now become responsible for everything, be it the funeral, to debt, to children or spouses, to their pets, et cetera. The assisted suicide might be easier, given this is a clinical procedure and action, but the overall implications would be absolutely mired in a spiderweb of legal actions that others would willingly need to undertake for the to-be-departed member in question. The majority of people would not agree to this as they often care or even love other people enough to not want to lose them, but also because they do not want to assume more responsibility.

To step back for a moment and ponder upon it, let us say such a system existed where you did not need to gain the agreement of those people to do so. Again, the member undertaking the assisted suicide process is forcing their decision upon others unwillingly; unless they consented to dealing with the events after, as in accepted the risk and responsibility, the action that is already selfish still is... just slightly less so. Let us continue in another hypothetical where one could choose to allow the clinic performing the procedure to assume the responsibility, but at what cost? Those vulnerable to suicide are already compromised, meaning they might well surrender that which is not theirs to or worse for them, be unable to afford any of it or offer such a legal transfer of authority. No less, is it not somewhat morally questionable at all tiers that in this example, people trade quite a bit of what they own to die outright when they themselves are not in the right state of mind?

There are greater issues with this proposal than I believe are being admitted and I have not so much as sunk my teeth into them here as my point is more about the people left behind, which is where I think greater issue is taken. For myself, I do not disagree with allowing people to commit suicide - there is only so much you can do to prevent them from choosing the final option - but at the same time I will not condone or encourage the behavior, let alone as a practice which will only reasonably still harm others in the process despite it being "nicer" to look at or think about. That shiny veneer is an illusion, a distraction.

People claim god is righteous and omnipotent. I guess I'm a fucking idiot because my definition of what's right and wrong goes against what's preached all the time: "It's all part of his plan, trust in him and he won't fail you," etc. I'm not okay with these things happening, even though people pray against it. But somehow, Suzie prayed hard enough and x amount of times so she could get an "A" instead of a "B" on her final, and it happened. But fuck the millions of others suffering, right?

I'm not here to change anyone's mind, just here to show why I think such delusion is bullshit.

Also, Bob could do all those things and more, but the second he makes that prayer, he's golden. No hell for him.

Yeah no that's stupid and wrong