Right, obscure references to vaguely right wing maybe maybe not people aside, is there anything interesting going on elsewhere in the world?

It's kingsday here at the moment which is naturally the best time to discuss whether we should keep or abolish the monarchy here. It's a distinctively Dutch problem since, well, our monarchs have always been... sorta like the average Joe except with a lot more money paid by us, the people. I can see pro's and con's to abolishing and keeping him. Him and his family are the face of the Netherlands after all. On the other hand the only thing he ever seems to be doing is going to the Olympics and cheering on the athletes.

IDK. Having some sort of 'country-idiot' that looks goofy and does stupid shit is kinda funny but I can't help but wonder how much we actually spend on this country-idiot.

As an American, I'd kill to have a Head of State separate from our Head of Government. Imagine if we could have Barrack Obama as the image of our country and Donald Trump's dragon-energy running the engine. We'd be unstoppable.....r. Unstoppabler.

@mdk It's kinda amazing but then I also know that our king gets memed on hard af. Like, whenever he goes skiing, there are 200 memes about him just being an alcoholic going to apres ski. :/

Heh. Well.... yeah you got me there, nobody memes Donald Trump.

@mdk Good point

If I see any evidence that Stillgray/Ian Miles Cheong is 'vaguely right wing' as apposed to regular bog-standard right wing, I'll be sure to edit my post accordingly.

How about the several years in a row he was literally a hard progressive/self-described social-justice warrior? I don't think anyone conservative would even think for a second to be the antithesis of actual conservatism. But that's just me.

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So since North Korea and WW3 didn't quite happen, but nice prediction anyway news media. And I have nothing to add in any current regard. How about something a little more intelligent. Supply side economics or demand side economics? Discuss. (Because I've been thinking about it, and I can't say for certain which I believe is more valuable/important for the economy.)

Supply side economics or demand side economics? Discuss. (Because I've been thinking about it, and I can't say for certain which I believe is more valuable/important for the economy.)

Things rarely work out for the best when we try to outsmart the invisible hand.

How about the several years in a row he was literally a hard progressive/self-described social-justice warrior? I don't think anyone conservative would even think for a second to be the antithesis of actual conservatism. But that's just me.

You mean before he had any internet noteriety? Anyone can create a 'converted' backstory. And I take 'self-described' with a heavy tablespoon of salt. Hes been right wing for as long as it's mattered. Nothing vague about it.

@Dynamo Frokane Now I don't exactly care enough about this person to go much farther. I will point out he had notoriety it was just equivalent to most SJW's at the time. They were never popular in the community they were speaking about, for good reason.

Don't take my word for it, just go through some old tweets. He was literally accusing people of being rapists. He also has tweets were he literally says "back when I was a SJW." But his behavior for quite a while perfectly matched with the progressive movement. Some say, you can't become conservative overnight. (And it's true.) But his "conversion" was a fairly known apology. Frankly I'm skeptical how "right wing" his politics are. But now we're both merely speculating...

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@SleepingSilence Yes and Donald Trump used to be a democrat. But I'm talking about the here and now. If you don't follow his twitter feed that's fine, but I do. And it's safe to say he's pretty right wing.

Don't take my word for it, just go through some old tweets. He was literally accusing people of being rapists.

Not that it matters but calling someone a rapist doesn't really make you right or left wing.

@SleepingSilence Yes and Donald Trump used to be a democrat. But I'm talking about the here and now. If you don't follow his twitter feed that's fine, but I do. And it's safe to say he's pretty right wing.

Not that it matters but calling someone a rapist doesn't really make you right or left wing.

But Donald Trump ain't conservative either.

Yes. But context matters...and you know exactly what I'm talking about.

(I also realize since you aren't -in- the United States. So everyone is right wing in that context...so perhaps its pointless to really go further.)

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But Donald Trump ain't conservative either.

Yes. But context matters...and you know exactly what I'm talking about.

(I also realize since you aren't -in- the United States. So everyone is right wing in that context...so perhaps its pointless to really go further.)

He used to be Democrat and is now a Republican, people change, get it?

I could give you more ideological examples like Maajid Nawaz (Radical Extremist to Liberal Feminist) RageAfterStorm (SJW to Alt Right) or Christian Piccolini (Neo Nazi to MSNBC and SPLC commentator)

And I dont know 'exactly what you are talking about' calling people rapists is something you see on both sides of the political isle, so I'm not seeing much of a point. Ian Miles Cheong is right wing, by american standards. And while Europe is broadly more left economically than the states, saying that 'everyone is right wing to us' in that context is ridiculous and simplistic.

But like you said, you don't follow him or know much about him, so I don't expect you to be particularly accurate on your analysis.

He used to be Democrat and is now a Republican, people change, get it?

Trump is "Republican" in party only. People call themselves many things, and people call people many things. Doesn't make it a true statement.

And no, I think there is quite a noticeable difference. Nothing meant by it. But because (least I'm fairy certain) you defended the idea of Count Dankula being imprisoned and kicking "Extremists Terrorists" like Laura Southern out of the U.K. That's a pretty far left idea that even the center left here didn't really support. I'm fairly confident that right wing means something wholly different to you than it does to an American lense. (For starters, it's not a slur.)

And I don't know 'exactly what you are talking about' calling people rapists is something you see on both sides of the political isle, so I'm not seeing much of a point.

Keep reminding myself you're not from the states...but if I have to clarify. There's only one party that has been consistently pushing rape culture and untrue propaganda fear mongering about rape. And have made a case to falsely accusing many of being rapists...There is absolutely no comparison. You cannot tell me otherwise without ignoring an endless source the evidence.

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Trump is "Republican" in party only. People call themselves many things, and people call people many things. Doesn't make it a true statement.

Youre woefully missing the point, I used trump and the 3 other people as an example of changing their minds. Trump changed his label, the other 3 changed their ideals along with their labels. What I'm driving at is that I'm assessing Stillgray as he is in the present.

you defended the idea of Count Dankula being imprisoned

Nope, never did, you're making that up.

"Extremists Terrorists" like Laura Southern out of the U.K. That's a pretty far left idea that even the center left here didn't really support.

Never called her an extremist terrorist, I said she's a hate preacher with close ties to white nationalist groups (generation identity). But seeing as you pulled the Count Dankula thing out of thin air, I'm not going to spend too long trying to explain myself. This is mostly in your head.

And what I was doing was defending the UK ban list. Have a quick look at the list and tell me how many 'conservatives' are on there. And then tell me that it's left wing position.

Keep reminding myself you're not from the states...but if I have to clarify. There's only one party that has been consistently pushing rape culture and untrue propaganda fear mongering about rape. And have made a case to falsely accusing many of being rapists...There is absolutely no comparison. You cannot tell me otherwise without ignoring an endless source the evidence.

You mean like when Alex Jones called Bill Clinton a rapist?

Like I said, a rape accusation in a vaccum doesn't tell you anything about someone's political leanings.

Bill Cosby's accusers were from both sides of the isle. Which is what I brought up in my last post.

Do you think Cosby gets an easy ride because he's black or a hard time because he's a man?

The Right and the Left can't seem to come to a consensus.

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I'm not. I'm stating, I clearly followed him more than you did. If you didn't even know he had a following when he was an SJW. (Why would it "matter" suddenly if his following changed unless you look at the world through a purely political lens?) I didn't actively follow him then or now, but I have enough secondhand knowledge from actually experiencing Gamergate. I won't open that can of worms. I'll just say semantics at this point. You think he's what's considered "standard" right without question. And I have years of previous evidence that makes me very much doubt that. Maybe you could classify him as "alt-right." I've tried actually looking up if he declared his party before. But all I get from google, is a bunch of things calling him a Nazi...

It's not "making it up." I suppose, I'm mistaken. My bad. But now I'm confused.

So you don't support the idea of Count Dankula, but the time I posted all the trolls getting jailed you didn't care and they weren't worth defending. And I know you supported Lauren Southern experiencing similar things for similar reasons? May I ask what's the distinction? You do realize its the same problem right?

And the extremist quote refers to what they were called by the U.K.

Also, the best example you had to offer is Alex Jones...the water turning the frogs gay. As the "standard" right, calling "Innocent" people rapists. And Bill "My wife says Trust Women except my 20 various accusers Clinton" Okay.

Sarcasm aside. You're missing my point. It's not that both sides "accused" an actual rapist...there's literally nothing wrong with that. It's the things Ian Miles did during Gamergate, and what progressives actively do, which is far above and beyond mere allegations of suspected rapists.

@SleepingSilence If you're confused its probably because your ascribing things to me that I never said. That's a good recipe to make things unclear, so maybe you shouldn't do that.

I don't think I even typed Count Dankula's name until my last post. I don't agree with his charge, most people in Britain (including the dreaded left) don't agree with it. The Lauren Southern situation is not the same, again that's a simplistic view on things.

Lauren Southern is a foreigner. She has been here plenty of times before and no one has ever banned her, she got banned because her fairly recent ties to a white nationalist group and her blocking of boats in Europe gave her the profile of a radical. The UK has a ban list of radicals of all ideologies, but funnily enough most of them aren't conservatives. Have you looked at the list?

Count Dankula is a Scottish citizen being prosecuted by Scottish police. Whoever reported him interpreted his Nazi dog training as a hate crime. I personally think that doesn't warrant an arrest. The UK deals with foreigners different to how it treats citizens, so no Dankula and Southern are not comparable. Keep reminding yourself you aren't from here.

Alex Jones is right wing, you can disavow him because of his ridiculous comments, but the truth is still there, a right winger who threw around rape accusations. And he wasn't the only one calling Bill Clinton that either. Its not a left or right thing.

But thanks for clarifying you used to follow Stillgray but don't anymore. The fact that he was once anti gamergate is irrelevant, I currently follow him, and he's currently right wing. I wouldn't consider him alt-right though.

@Dynamo Frokane Condemning a second time when I already clarified, is something you shouldn't do. But now we really are in the weeds.

Yes, I'm sure the U.K have banned speech and speakers from all races, creeds, religions, political beliefs. A proud and willing addendum. Do you think that changes the whole "problem" thing I mentioned? Obviously not, because Count Dankula is a Communist. And I still don't think the man should be jailed or fined for humor. Nor Laura or Brittany and whoever else thrown in a holding cell and barred from a country for the crime of wanting to speak with someone. And if you don't want to compare Count Dankula and Southern. Fine, how about all the trolls that got jailed that you didn't seem to speak out against when I previous brought those cases up? Those are citizens too. I know Count Dankula is nowhere near the first person to get this treatment there. I want to know what that difference is...(But this is going in circles. So unless this is addressed, I'll assume we've finished.)

Alex Jones isn't "standard" right wing. I'd also point out he's closer to a conspiracy theorist. But that's getting into a different and irrelevant topic. But you evaded my entire point (about which side promotes the idea of rape culture) once again, and I can't help but feel repeating myself is time wasted. So that's fine. You believe Ian is right wing, even by american standards. I guess I can't really argue with feelings held.

@SleepingSilence I'll end up condeming it a 3rd time as it seems to be driving other assumptions about my position.

And to be honest, I dont care if you think the U.K. has a problem, I know what you and the other guy in the thread think when it comes to banning people from.the country. You want us to be strict on islamic preachers and african dictators but be soft on white nationalist affiliates like Lauren and Brittany.

Well sorry, you dont run things, this is the way we do things, we take responsibility for our own citizens and we eject foriegn extremists. I know nothing about trolls being jailed or the details of their sentences. Troll is a bit of a broad and vague term.

If you think rape culture is a myth, thats your opinion but it has nothing to do with the fact that accusations of rape come from both sides of the isle and even less to do with Ian Miles Cheong's current ideology. People change.

Presuming I'm "the other guy in the thread," that's not accurate. I know I'm not allowed to quote you, but am I allowed to disagree with you over what my own positions are? Especially since (once again) the misinformation is being used to cast a certain.... let's say 'racial attitude,' which, again, is fabricated by (not me).

At risk of devolving the new thread back into the old thread, I know. So how bout, if you're interested in what I think, feel free to ask, and if not, please just remove that (and/or clarify who you're talking about, if not me) from your previous post and we can go about our lives. I don't wanna ignite some kind of firestorm, but also, I'm not gonna let those kinds of allegations slip. I feel like I've been pretty hands-off, and I'm perfectly fine keeping it that way. I don't wanna get dragged into a whole thing.

@SleepingSilence
I'll end up condeming it a 3rd time as it seems to be driving other assumptions about my position.

I dont care if you think the U.K. You dont run things, this is the way we do things, we take responsibility for our own citizens and we eject foriegn extremists.

I was going to leave this be. (And still plan on it.) But after a few double takes. For clarification sake. Because one must assume the best intentions...

What exactly in my 2nd post is a presumption that ISN'T correct? It's not an "assumption", nor one worth 'condeming', if it's exactly what you believe.

Things I said in my 2nd post. That strictly reference you and your opinions.
1. I acknowledged your own previous point, that U.K bans all kinds of speech.
2. A near exact paraphrase quote from your previous post. That you said you don't want to compare Count Dankula and Lauren Southern.
3. My remembrance of your own disinterest in the jailing of trolls. To the literal disinterest displayed in your reply. Since you look everything up, and don't even know it existed apparently. (that's kind of exactly what I said.)
4. That Ian is right wing in your mind. Even by america standards. (Another near-exact paraphrase.)

Which did you not say/think/do again? :I

I can easily correct myself, and the record, if there actually happens to be a statement that doesn't completely and accurately describe your held position? If it's worthy of three whole times, I hope it's worth elaboration.

Presuming I'm "the other guy in the thread,"

You're not. So your presumption doesnt apply here.