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I feel like power is so incredibly inconsistent in the general Dragon Ball medium that it shouldn't define anything in a roleplay, anyway. Motivation and purpose seems to matter more than powerlevels do and any power-boost anyone gets is completely relied on why they need them.

I couldn't agree more.
Really this whole series of my posts is more to do with the fact that I am a software engineer by trade and heart so you can expect me to at times get massively carried away at overly detailing my ideas for something even if (especially if actually) that leads to me writing a wall of text trying to get my point across that only ever serves to make things more confusing for everyone involved via information overload. xD

Like feel free to treat anything I say in the OOC portion as non cannon until it happens in game.

On the plus side I only ever babble about things I care about. :)
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Hmm, so we have two saiyans, so our Goku and Vegeta. Oni girl is Krillin. Robot man slots nicely in as one of the androids. Heran guy is... uhhh... no idea but pretty strong. Yaksha is also fairly strong so... let's say he's our Tien before Super stole his shoulders.

. . . fuck I'm Yamcha aren't I?


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Comparatively true. She isn't useless like him though. Like, she might not be able to solo the highest hitters on the team but she can give them a good run for their money. Even if a SS is going to eventually win every time. And this means that she can keep any opponent tired and busy for long enough to make sure one of you can spend the necessary 10 minutes charging one of your mega super attacks and stay in contact until the last second to ensure it connects before dodging out in the last second to safety with a big smile on her face.


First of all, Krillin is not useless. Don't let TeamFourStar's portrayal of him color your opinions, because in the official material he was doing useful shit even as late as the Cell Arc. Secondly, the only reason Yamcha ended up being useless is because his techniques were designed with DPS in mind which becomes outclasses the second Saiyans are introduced as a concept. Before the Saiyans, Yamcha was actually capable of not only holding his own, but even winning fights as well. It was only the Tournament settings that hit him with the Worf Effect, and that only became worse when the Saiyan Arc started. Also, Toriyama wanted to force Vegeta and Bulma together because he wrote himself into a scenario where only Saiyans could be viable and thus needed a flimsy excuse to introduce another Half-Saiyan character, even if that meant he had to blatantly assassinate Yamcha's entire character to do it (seriously, fuck the retcons that turned Yamcha into a supposed cheating playboy while conveniently ignoring the fact that he spent most of his life terrified of women but also simply wanting to find someone to settle down with). Krillin, Tien, and even Roshi were able to keep some semblance of relevance later on because they had techniques that lent themselves well to playing the Crowd Control role while the Saiyans could draw aggro and do DPS. Fun fact, the Mafuba is the literal only reason Roshi was able to be useful in the slightest during the TOP, while the Solar Flare x100 was meant to be Krillin's justification for being useful there. Tien got totally shafted because frankly the Multiform is a hell of a lot more useful than the series gives it credit for. Yes, you divide your power level, but there is a definite argument to be made for the merit of literally being able to be in 4 different places at once (plus it also would have given Universe 7 extra fighters in the numerical sense since the rules made that Tournament a numbers game in the end).

The non-Saiyans COULD totally stand up to a heavy hitter if they'd just get their acts together and fight like an MMORPG party. Krillin and Tien as Crowd Control, Piccolo as the Tank (Regeneration is hella powerful, yo), and Gohan as the DPS. Together they could totally take Goku or Vegeta on. The problem is that Dragon Ball characters are morons who insist on boiling everything down to one-on-one death matches because honor or some such bullshit. This is why I like Future Trunks so much, he's the only one who realized how stupid that was and thus was willing to just take the fucking win however he could find it.
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Well that was emotional. :)

And yes, I agree with you that in general one on one deathmatches are stupid from an in universe perspective. Like seriously, just gang up on people. It's fun. And we shall totally do it. Well the two of us at least. We seem to be on the same page. I don't know what the rest are going to be up to.

This being said I do understand the reasoning for the artistic choice made to go that way. And honestly I think that going the way they did was the right thing to do from a purely artistic perspective. Put simply, the reason the fights in Dragonball are always so awesome is because they aren't just fights, they are stories. Each fight is choreographed and designed into detail to tell a story about the two characters and the conflict involved. It's an epic in the ancient meaning of the word played out through violence. And that's just that much easier to do when you have just two characters to focus on. And I feel they did a good enough job that I can forgive just about anything because of it.

This said, I stopped watching the show when my local TV channels stopped airing it. And that was back when GT ended. So I missed the whole multiple universes thing entirely. I got DB, DBZ, the androids and GT as well as the one standalone movie when Goku becomes a Super Sayan God because of course he does. But that's it.
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Well that was emotional. :)

And yes, I agree with you that in general one on one deathmatches are stupid from an in universe perspective. Like seriously, just gang up on people. It's fun. And we shall totally do it. Well the two of us at least. We seem to be on the same page. I don't know what the rest are going to be up to.

This being said I do understand the reasoning for the artistic choice made to go that way. And honestly I think that going the way they did was the right thing to do from a purely artistic perspective. Put simply, the reason the fights in Dragonball are always so awesome is because they aren't just fights, they are stories. Each fight is choreographed and designed into detail to tell a story about the two characters and the conflict involved. It's an epic in the ancient meaning of the word played out through violence. And that's just that much easier to do when you have just two characters to focus on. And I feel they did a good enough job that I can forgive just about anything because of it.

This said, I stopped watching the show when my local TV channels stopped airing it. And that was back when GT ended. So I missed the whole multiple universes thing entirely. I got DB, DBZ, the androids and GT as well as the one standalone movie when Goku becomes a Super Sayan God because of course he does. But that's it.


Dragon Ball Super does have some good stuff, but most of the actual arcs are tired retreads. First two arcs are just the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies but with tons of unnecessary filler added in order to drag out two movies into like 20-something episodes each (and you thought the filler in the Hobbit trilogy was bad). So far the Universe 6 Tournament is the only arc I've really liked that much. Goku Black pissed me off with it's bullshit ending and the Tournament of Power is such a boring-ass slog.
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First of all, Krillin is not useless. Don't let TeamFourStar's portrayal of him color your opinions, because in the official material he was doing useful shit even as late as the Cell Arc. Secondly, the only reason Yamcha ended up being useless is because his techniques were designed with DPS in mind which becomes outclasses the second Saiyans are introduced as a concept. Before the Saiyans, Yamcha was actually capable of not only holding his own, but even winning fights as well. It was only the Tournament settings that hit him with the Worf Effect, and that only became worse when the Saiyan Arc started. Also, Toriyama wanted to force Vegeta and Bulma together because he wrote himself into a scenario where only Saiyans could be viable and thus needed a flimsy excuse to introduce another Half-Saiyan character, even if that meant he had to blatantly assassinate Yamcha's entire character to do it (seriously, fuck the retcons that turned Yamcha into a supposed cheating playboy while conveniently ignoring the fact that he spent most of his life terrified of women but also simply wanting to find someone to settle down with). Krillin, Tien, and even Roshi were able to keep some semblance of relevance later on because they had techniques that lent themselves well to playing the Crowd Control role while the Saiyans could draw aggro and do DPS. Fun fact, the Mafuba is the literal only reason Roshi was able to be useful in the slightest during the TOP, while the Solar Flare x100 was meant to be Krillin's justification for being useful there. Tien got totally shafted because frankly the Multiform is a hell of a lot more useful than the series gives it credit for. Yes, you divide your power level, but there is a definite argument to be made for the merit of literally being able to be in 4 different places at once (plus it also would have given Universe 7 extra fighters in the numerical sense since the rules made that Tournament a numbers game in the end).

The non-Saiyans COULD totally stand up to a heavy hitter if they'd just get their acts together and fight like an MMORPG party. Krillin and Tien as Crowd Control, Piccolo as the Tank (Regeneration is hella powerful, yo), and Gohan as the DPS. Together they could totally take Goku or Vegeta on. The problem is that Dragon Ball characters are morons who insist on boiling everything down to one-on-one death matches because honor or some such bullshit. This is why I like Future Trunks so much, he's the only one who realized how stupid that was and thus was willing to just take the fucking win however he could find it.


Yamcha actually used to be my favorite because he had long hair and so did I when I was younger... but then he never fucking did anything in DBZ so I latched onto Gohan instead because as a child I guess I related best to the youngest character.

So... yeah, it might just be bad writing and unfortunate circumstances, but that still means being the "Yamcha" of a group is unfortunate. XD

And I'm fully aware of how ridiculous the cheating thing is. And just in general, for everything DBZ did right, there was a lot of plot induced stupidity used to move the plot along. Like... half the fucking Android/Cell saga, honestly. DBZ really did peak during the Namek saga. Plenty of cool stuff came after that, but as a whole... Namek takes it. Saiyan saga is right up there as well of course.
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Yamcha actually used to be my favorite because he had long hair and so did I when I was younger... but then he never fucking did anything in DBZ so I latched onto Gohan instead because as a child I guess I related best to the youngest character.

So... yeah, it might just be bad writing and unfortunate circumstances, but that still means being the "Yamcha" of a group is unfortunate. XD

And I'm fully aware of how ridiculous the cheating thing is. And just in general, for everything DBZ did right, there was a lot of plot induced stupidity used to move the plot along. Like... half the fucking Android/Cell saga, honestly. DBZ really did peak during the Namek saga. Plenty of cool stuff came after that, but as a whole... Namek takes it. Saiyan saga is right up there as well of course.


Yeah... like, if I'm Trunks, I'm not even gonna bother waiting for Goku. I'll just fly straight to the Lab and nuke the hell out of it and call it a day. I know I praised Trunks for being the pragmatist earlier, but this was just blatant idiot plot writing by Toriyama. Hmm, it's almost like Time Travel stories tend to be stupid in general and one should probably just avoid them altogether. xD
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Yeah... like, if I'm Trunks, I'm not even gonna bother waiting for Goku. I'll just fly straight to the Lab and nuke the hell out of it and call it a day. I know I praised Trunks for being the pragmatist earlier, but this was just blatant idiot plot writing by Toriyama. Hmm, it's almost like Time Travel stories tend to be stupid in general and one should probably just avoid them altogether. xD


I. Hate. Time travel.

DBZ makes it slightly more bearable honestly what with the splitting timelines. Removes the issue of paradoxes to a degree, though the splitting brings with it its own chaos.

And yeah... The Black arc was... uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. It's the arc where I started watching Super and fuck that ending. ToP was a bit of a slog, but damn if the ending wasn't a visual spectacle.
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I. Hate. Time travel.

DBZ makes it slightly more bearable honestly what with the splitting timelines. Removes the issue of paradoxes to a degree, though the splitting brings with it its own chaos.

And yeah... The Black arc was... uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. It's the arc where I started watching Super and fuck that ending. ToP was a bit of a slog, but damn if the ending wasn't a visual spectacle.


Hit > Jiren

Yeah, I said it. Fight me. Hit has a more memorable character design, and a way cooler gimmick for his abilities. Their backstories are roughly equivalent in that neither one of them actually have one, but otherwise yeah: in my mind Hit is an objectively superior character overall.
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Hit > Jiren

Yeah, I said it. Fight me. Hit has a more memorable character design, and a way cooler gimmick for his abilities. Their backstories are roughly equivalent in that neither one of them actually have one, but otherwise yeah: in my mind Hit is an objectively superior character overall.


Nah I agree. Jiren is about as interesting as a brick. Does a lot of damage when it hits someone in the head, but...

Mind you, it was briefly interesting to see such an indomitable character. We hadn't really gotten something quite to that degree before. I mean even UI Omen failed when it showed up the first time. Greatly misused though. Killing was illegal for the tournament and we knew for 100% certain that everyone would survive and Universe 7 wouldn't be erased, at least not permanently. Very little tension as we just waited for Ultra Instinct to finally kick in.

And then they basically just made him Batman or every other superhero with a dead family ever.

Hit didn't really need a backstory. He represented something we'd never really seen before in Dragon Ball, being an assassin with unique abilities and no transformations.
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Hit didn't really need a backstory. He represented something we'd never really seen before in Dragon Ball, being an assassin with unique abilities and no transformations.


He was Tao if Tao had somehow become a galactic level fighter. xD
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Dragon Ball Super does have some good stuff, but most of the actual arcs are tired retreads. First two arcs are just the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies but with tons of unnecessary filler added in order to drag out two movies into like 20-something episodes each (and you thought the filler in the Hobbit trilogy was bad). So far the Universe 6 Tournament is the only arc I've really liked that much. Goku Black pissed me off with it's bullshit ending and the Tournament of Power is such a boring-ass slog.

No spoilers, please. :) I am still holding off hope against hope that I'll eventually get to watching the lot. Also the hobbit movies are a sin against the original work and I hate them. As much as the LOTR movies were good those abominations were not. They literally cut out all the funny parts from the book.

Now, can we get back to you telling me about your death? ;) ;)
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No spoilers, please. :) I am still holding off hope against hope that I'll eventually get to watching the lot. Also the hobbit movies are a sin against the original work and I hate them. As much as the LOTR movies were good those abominations were not. They literally cut out all the funny parts from the book.

Now, can we get back to you telling me about your death? ;) ;)


I'll have to go to work in about an hour and a half or so, so unless you want my post to be rushed and half-assed, it's gonna have to wait until I get back this evening. xD
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I'll have to go to work in about an hour and a half or so, so unless you want my post to be rushed and half-assed, it's gonna have to wait until I get back this evening. xD

I was making a funny, hence the ;). A be it a not very funny one. ;)

Seriously, this lack of picture smilies in favor of text ones really does bring me back to the good old days. Like I can actually relax without those ugly yellow faces being plastered everywhere.

And yes, I'd honestly rather wait if for no other reason than because my girls WTF question deserves a suitably well crafted WTF response. :) You have to admit that "How did you two die?" was a good idea.
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I'll have to go to work in about an hour and a half or so, so unless you want my post to be rushed and half-assed, it's gonna have to wait until I get back this evening. xD


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What does it say about Toriyama that one of Super's arguably most interesting arcs (Moro) wasn't even written by him at all?
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I have RL beat the tar out of me and this happens. Well I mean, Yaksha is pretty fluid in tier. He kinda pulls thru due to being a literal kung fu wizard.

But lets say he could beat Androids and Cell malarky if he played his cards well.

Can change and be revised up and down. Last post he actually beat was Freeza.
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I assumed the Kai tried to send his world's fate through the touch she did. If not I'll change the post.
Edit: Nvm I misread.
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Maize does not like Yaksha. He tried to kill an unsuspecting target, called her a pet monkey, and tried to give her orders.
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Maize does not like Yaksha. He tried to kill an unsuspecting target, called her a pet monkey, and tried to give her orders.


Well duh. He probably has scarcely met any kind of favorable interaction with a new person in a while.

Plus all the saiyans he have a tendency to attack him. Plus this one who was avout eating people and decking schnozes.
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