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@FalloutJack To the people I'm writing up, the Enclave just look like people who got too enamored with power armor and "forgot" what America is

that's fairly accurate given the enclave are something between high tech raiders and pseudo nazis
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@FalloutJack I'd imagine the interaction would go something like this:

Philly: "Hey its cool to see another Americanists so far out here."
Enclave: "Yeah, I see that you too also appreciate pre-war America."
P: "Old America was a land built by the Founders and great Presidents, we seek to rebuilt the old dominion to its former glory!"
E: "That's a funny way of saying it, but yeah, we're also seeking the restoration of America. Not sure who the Founders are though."
P: "The holy Founders? Surely you know them. The heavenly Founding Fathers?"
E: "..."
P: "Okay, what about Lady Liberty, their emissary to Earth?"
E: "You mean the statue?"
P: "Do you at least know the gospel of the Founders and the words of the Declaration and Constitution?"
E: "Pretty sure we have both of those documents on holotape but we don't use them as... gospel?"
P: "..."
E: "..."
P: "Guess you traded piety for power armor then."
E: "Who tf are you people?"
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Okay, the way you describe these guys, it sounds alot more like Maxson in Fallout 4 in the Brotherhood, which is not good. Current Enclave (as in, mine), though, does not cling heavily to the past. Learn from it, yes, but the lesson is that the old ways - including previous Enclave stubborn-ness - are not the right ways. Number One would be quick to remind any of these folks that treating government as religion led to such failures as the Legion, out west. So, maybe they wouldn't get along, but it's for different reasons. Namely, "What in god's name - and I mean that in every way possible - is wrong with these people?".
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@Andreyich Those were certainly some words, right there.

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I'm sure The Economist is going to be plenty weirded out by a cult in Philly like a few days away.
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I'm sure The Economist is going to be plenty weirded out by a cult in Philly like a few days away.


Especially given how they literally didn't know up until this point.

Although in its defense, it probably never had to factor in "religious movements and spiritual awakenings" into stock market calculations.
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Especially given how they literally didn't know up until this point.

Although in its defense, it probably never had to factor in "religious movements and spiritual awakenings" into stock market calculations.


There will probably have to be slight retconning on my end - NYC has been formally where it's at since 2249. Philadelphia and the homies living there is pretty obviously a known quantity to them since it's so close.
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@TheEvanCat Want to have any sort of lore overlap with the retcon now that Philly isn't a blank spot on the map? I'd definitely imagine they'd hear about this new religious wave over taking the area early on and especially once they got settled in.
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Damn

Another enemy for Ronto - or an ally against the Enclave, perhaps? Just stay out of Canada.

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@TheEvanCat Want to have any sort of lore overlap with the retcon now that Philly isn't a blank spot on the map? I'd definitely imagine they'd hear about this new religious wave over taking the area early on and especially once they got settled in.


It'll probably get teased out in posts. The general idea would be an awareness of what's gone down there but a hesitancy to actively reach out. Too unpredictable.

I'm sure some of the ghouls you've kicked out will show up too... with less than stellar reviews.
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@Jeddaven Feel like Ronto would hate the HFU more the other way around; the HFU is pretty much an embodiment of the American ultra-nationalism they despise taken to a ridiculous and religious level but the HFU doesn't really have all that much interest in Canada. They'd see it as "part of Old America" but otherwise don't really have any ideological claims on it and would rather focus on going west if they ever got that big, taking control of the lower 48 first.

Relations with the Enclave are still up in the air but in a way they see the Enclave as wayward Americanists who became too secular and abandoned the Founders looking at them with a mix of pity and religious contempt.

@TheEvanCat Oh yeah, the Ghouls are not going to like the HFU. The HFU isn't any more anti-mutant than the average wasteland state by nature or intrinsically anti-mutant, their expulsion was purely religious. I'd also like to believe that at least one preacher has wandered up to New York at some point or some merchants have crossed paths in port.

It'd honestly be kind of funny to see a super mutant in a powered wig and oversized laser musket with a roll of the constitution going around asking random New Yorkers if they've heard of the good word of the Founders and of Old America.
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@Jeddaven Feel like Ronto would hate the HFU more the other way around; the HFU is pretty much an embodiment of the American ultra-nationalism they despise taken to a ridiculous and religious level but the HFU doesn't really have all that much interest in Canada. They'd see it as "part of Old America" but otherwise don't really have any ideological claims on it and would rather focus on going west if they ever got that big, taking control of the lower 48 first.

Relations with the Enclave are still up in the air but in a way they see the Enclave as wayward Americanists who became too secular and abandoned the Founders looking at them with a mix of pity and religious contempt.

@TheEvanCat Oh yeah, the Ghouls are not going to like the HFU. The HFU isn't any more anti-mutant than the average wasteland state by nature or intrinsically anti-mutant, their expulsion was purely religious. I'd also like to believe that at least one preacher has wandered up to New York at some point or some merchants have crossed paths in port.

It'd honestly be kind of funny to see a super mutant in a powered wig and oversized laser musket with a roll of the constitution going around asking random New Yorkers if they've heard of the good word of the Founders and of Old America.


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@Andreyich The HFU would probably be bog standard in terms of how they view super mutants, not quite trusting but they don't have a desire to genocide them. For your guys specifically, they'd probably have heard of the shady stuff they've done but there'd also be some interest if the "rumors" of you guys being from Old America.
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@Jeddaven Feel like Ronto would hate the HFU more the other way around; the HFU is pretty much an embodiment of the American ultra-nationalism they despise taken to a ridiculous and religious level but the HFU doesn't really have all that much interest in Canada. They'd see it as "part of Old America" but otherwise don't really have any ideological claims on it and would rather focus on going west if they ever got that big, taking control of the lower 48 first.

Relations with the Enclave are still up in the air but in a way they see the Enclave as wayward Americanists who became too secular and abandoned the Founders looking at them with a mix of pity and religious contempt.

@TheEvanCat Oh yeah, the Ghouls are not going to like the HFU. The HFU isn't any more anti-mutant than the average wasteland state by nature or intrinsically anti-mutant, their expulsion was purely religious. I'd also like to believe that at least one preacher has wandered up to New York at some point or some merchants have crossed paths in port.

It'd honestly be kind of funny to see a super mutant in a powered wig and oversized laser musket with a roll of the constitution going around asking random New Yorkers if they've heard of the good word of the Founders and of Old America.


That's fair, yeah, and probably accurate. There's also the issue of Ronto explicitly welcoming ghouls and other mutants, so maybe incorporating some of your ghouls or eventual Rontonian support of them could be a thing?
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That's fair, yeah, and probably accurate. There's also the issue of Ronto explicitly welcoming ghouls and other mutants, so maybe incorporating some of your ghouls or eventual Rontonian support of them could be a thing?


Again, the Ghouls were banished because some of them had lived long enough to remember pre-war America and spread ideas that challenged the Americanist orthodoxy, not because of any sentiment or hatred of Ghouls. They weren't even a lower class of citizen since a good number of them were pretty talented craftsmen on the part of having literal centuries to perfect your skills or overseers. There are still a handful of Ghouls in the HFU who converted (if they hadn't already) but are on the younger side.

Its definitely possible a Ghoul or two might make their way to Ronto or you otherwise heard about it through the caravan grape vine although what do you mean by support? Like support a Ghoul uprising in the HFU?
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Yonkers is an explicitly mentioned ghoul neighborhood/colony (ha ha, World War Z reference!) so I could see a Jacobstown-like settlement in or around it. Not that they would be too accepted downtown, as per standard human feelings about the mutants.
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